I explained to you that because I attend football games it does NOT make me superior to those that don't. Please respect that.
You are suggesting that I am claiming that I am in a superior position to JUDGE why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish just because I was watching from the stands. I have as much idea or evidence to judge why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish as much as you had whilst watching on your television, which is actually very little. This morning you claimed it was because he was playing with an injury. I suggested that it was because more like he was a lazy tw@t. So, I disagreed with you. That’s where we really are on this.
And that fact that I am a United supporter who goes to games has nothing to do with it whatsosver. This is schoolyard stuff RR. I'd like to think we are both above this.
My brother and I were talking about this as well. Yes, he gave the ball away a lot but he helped track runners and close people down.
We do need combative midfielders and a physical presence in midfield. It is far too easy to saunter through our midfield.
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 9 hours, 34 minutes ago
I explained to you that because I attend football games it does NOT make me superior to those that don't. Please respect that.
You are suggesting that I am claiming that I am in a superior position to JUDGE why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish just because I was watching from the stands. I have as much idea or evidence to judge why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish as much as you had whilst watching on your television, which is actually very little. This morning you claimed it was because he was playing with an injury. I suggested that it was because more like he was a lazy tw@t. So, I disagreed with you. That’s where we really are on this.
And that fact that I am a United supporter who goes to games has nothing to do with it whatsosver. This is schoolyard stuff RR. I'd like to think we are both above this.
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It's not schoolyard stuff because my intention isn't to antagonise you, RBW. In the course of this thread you've mentioned that your observations are informed by seeing Casemiro's movement off the ball, not just what's shown on camera. And then that your main observation is that his issue is laziness, not playing through an injury. The reason I've picked up on this is because I don't think you have a basis for your diagnosis that it's a motivation issue rather than a physical one. And I don't understand why you mentioned the fact that you see stuff that those of us who were in the stadium didn't see unless you felt it was relevant to the comments you were making. As I said, if Casemiro being a bit of a passenger were a point of dispute rather than one of consensus, then it would be highly relevant to mention that you saw more of the game than we did. If you just threw it in there that you were at the match and thus benefitted from a more complete view without any connection to the point you were arguing, then so be it.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 9 hours, 34 minutes ago
I explained to you that because I attend football games it does NOT make me superior to those that don't. Please respect that.
You are suggesting that I am claiming that I am in a superior position to JUDGE why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish just because I was watching from the stands. I have as much idea or evidence to judge why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish as much as you had whilst watching on your television, which is actually very little. This morning you claimed it was because he was playing with an injury. I suggested that it was because more like he was a lazy tw@t. So, I disagreed with you. That’s where we really are on this.
And that fact that I am a United supporter who goes to games has nothing to do with it whatsosver. This is schoolyard stuff RR. I'd like to think we are both above this.
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It's not schoolyard stuff because my intention isn't to antagonise you, RBW. In the course of this thread you've mentioned that your observations are informed by seeing Casemiro's movement off the ball, not just what's shown on camera. And then that your main observation is that his issue is laziness, not playing through an injury. The reason I've picked up on this is because I don't think you have a basis for your diagnosis that it's a motivation issue rather than a physical one. And I don't understand why you mentioned the fact that you see stuff that those of us who were in the stadium didn't see unless you felt it was relevant to the comments you were making. As I said, if Casemiro being a bit of a passenger were a point of dispute rather than one of consensus, then it would be highly relevant to mention that you saw more of the game than we did. If you just threw it in there that you were at the match and thus benefitted from a more complete view without any connection to the point you were arguing, then so be it.
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we just disagree RR. You are not very good when someone disagrees with you RR.
This can go on for ever because you wont give it up will you. My final words on this are...
Supporters in the stadiums do see stuff on the pitch that you cant appreciate on the TV. Most football fans know this. Including yourself.
You are not the only fan on here who has a go at match goers and calls them out as assuming they are superior or the bestest fans, top reds etc etc yawn frankly. Many think we are thick because we watch games. Imagine been a football fan on an internat page dedicated to MUFC and having to explain myself for attending games. Ged over it!
Actually Casemiro has broken his silence about his and Uniteds poor performances recently. He doesnt mention any secret injury and says that 'Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality.' 'The game [vs. Liverpool] was very fast-paced and well played. A classic. We were playing against one of the leaders of the competition and who is going through a good moment. We responded well.
'Both teams had opportunities. The game was good. At home we are strong, but we played against a great team. We have to think about the next match.'
Make of that as you probably will.
End of convesration.
OK, RBW, happy to finish this conversation, but since you introduced some new accusations, I'll answer them with my final observations:
"You won't give up will you" - I guess I can get a touch of the Winstons on some subjects, but I think it's also true to say that you are liable to get defensive and touchy if someone picks apart your statements, and that's also a part of why these exchanges sometimes get prolonged.
"You are not the only fan on here who has a go at match goers and calls them out as assuming they are superior or the bestest fans, top reds etc etc yawn frankly. Many think we are thick because we watch games." I don't think anyone believes or has ever suggested that match-going fans are thick. And I for one certainly don't have a go at match-going supporters as a whole. There are some members of this forum who occasionally have suggested that they their views have more weight as real supporters or because they get to see the game in the stadium. I don't have any problem poking fun in those instances, and when I see claims made without any supporting evidence, it tends to bring out the aforementioned Winston in me.
"Make of that as you probably will." Regarding Casemiro's quote, I don't really see anything there that supports any of the three hypotheses about the reason for his lacklustre movement.
Anyway, sorry I've irritated you yet again. Have a good day.
The problem with what match going fans (a fair few of them to be honest) see is that they don’t have much of a clue about football. Busby is a classic example of this.
No different to some of the daft comments you see from fans watching it on TV.
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posted on 8/4/24
I explained to you that because I attend football games it does NOT make me superior to those that don't. Please respect that.
You are suggesting that I am claiming that I am in a superior position to JUDGE why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish just because I was watching from the stands. I have as much idea or evidence to judge why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish as much as you had whilst watching on your television, which is actually very little. This morning you claimed it was because he was playing with an injury. I suggested that it was because more like he was a lazy tw@t. So, I disagreed with you. That’s where we really are on this.
And that fact that I am a United supporter who goes to games has nothing to do with it whatsosver. This is schoolyard stuff RR. I'd like to think we are both above this.
posted on 9/4/24
My brother and I were talking about this as well. Yes, he gave the ball away a lot but he helped track runners and close people down.
We do need combative midfielders and a physical presence in midfield. It is far too easy to saunter through our midfield.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 9 hours, 34 minutes ago
I explained to you that because I attend football games it does NOT make me superior to those that don't. Please respect that.
You are suggesting that I am claiming that I am in a superior position to JUDGE why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish just because I was watching from the stands. I have as much idea or evidence to judge why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish as much as you had whilst watching on your television, which is actually very little. This morning you claimed it was because he was playing with an injury. I suggested that it was because more like he was a lazy tw@t. So, I disagreed with you. That’s where we really are on this.
And that fact that I am a United supporter who goes to games has nothing to do with it whatsosver. This is schoolyard stuff RR. I'd like to think we are both above this.
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It's not schoolyard stuff because my intention isn't to antagonise you, RBW. In the course of this thread you've mentioned that your observations are informed by seeing Casemiro's movement off the ball, not just what's shown on camera. And then that your main observation is that his issue is laziness, not playing through an injury. The reason I've picked up on this is because I don't think you have a basis for your diagnosis that it's a motivation issue rather than a physical one. And I don't understand why you mentioned the fact that you see stuff that those of us who were in the stadium didn't see unless you felt it was relevant to the comments you were making. As I said, if Casemiro being a bit of a passenger were a point of dispute rather than one of consensus, then it would be highly relevant to mention that you saw more of the game than we did. If you just threw it in there that you were at the match and thus benefitted from a more complete view without any connection to the point you were arguing, then so be it.
posted on 9/4/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by RB&W -Same Place-Same Club-Same Man (U21434)
posted 9 hours, 34 minutes ago
I explained to you that because I attend football games it does NOT make me superior to those that don't. Please respect that.
You are suggesting that I am claiming that I am in a superior position to JUDGE why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish just because I was watching from the stands. I have as much idea or evidence to judge why his passing was sloppy and his movement sluggish as much as you had whilst watching on your television, which is actually very little. This morning you claimed it was because he was playing with an injury. I suggested that it was because more like he was a lazy tw@t. So, I disagreed with you. That’s where we really are on this.
And that fact that I am a United supporter who goes to games has nothing to do with it whatsosver. This is schoolyard stuff RR. I'd like to think we are both above this.
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It's not schoolyard stuff because my intention isn't to antagonise you, RBW. In the course of this thread you've mentioned that your observations are informed by seeing Casemiro's movement off the ball, not just what's shown on camera. And then that your main observation is that his issue is laziness, not playing through an injury. The reason I've picked up on this is because I don't think you have a basis for your diagnosis that it's a motivation issue rather than a physical one. And I don't understand why you mentioned the fact that you see stuff that those of us who were in the stadium didn't see unless you felt it was relevant to the comments you were making. As I said, if Casemiro being a bit of a passenger were a point of dispute rather than one of consensus, then it would be highly relevant to mention that you saw more of the game than we did. If you just threw it in there that you were at the match and thus benefitted from a more complete view without any connection to the point you were arguing, then so be it.
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we just disagree RR. You are not very good when someone disagrees with you RR.
This can go on for ever because you wont give it up will you. My final words on this are...
Supporters in the stadiums do see stuff on the pitch that you cant appreciate on the TV. Most football fans know this. Including yourself.
You are not the only fan on here who has a go at match goers and calls them out as assuming they are superior or the bestest fans, top reds etc etc yawn frankly. Many think we are thick because we watch games. Imagine been a football fan on an internat page dedicated to MUFC and having to explain myself for attending games. Ged over it!
Actually Casemiro has broken his silence about his and Uniteds poor performances recently. He doesnt mention any secret injury and says that 'Being 20 points behind first place. Sometimes I can't even sleep to try to think about doing something different. It's reality.' 'The game [vs. Liverpool] was very fast-paced and well played. A classic. We were playing against one of the leaders of the competition and who is going through a good moment. We responded well.
'Both teams had opportunities. The game was good. At home we are strong, but we played against a great team. We have to think about the next match.'
Make of that as you probably will.
End of convesration.
posted on 9/4/24
OK, RBW, happy to finish this conversation, but since you introduced some new accusations, I'll answer them with my final observations:
"You won't give up will you" - I guess I can get a touch of the Winstons on some subjects, but I think it's also true to say that you are liable to get defensive and touchy if someone picks apart your statements, and that's also a part of why these exchanges sometimes get prolonged.
"You are not the only fan on here who has a go at match goers and calls them out as assuming they are superior or the bestest fans, top reds etc etc yawn frankly. Many think we are thick because we watch games." I don't think anyone believes or has ever suggested that match-going fans are thick. And I for one certainly don't have a go at match-going supporters as a whole. There are some members of this forum who occasionally have suggested that they their views have more weight as real supporters or because they get to see the game in the stadium. I don't have any problem poking fun in those instances, and when I see claims made without any supporting evidence, it tends to bring out the aforementioned Winston in me.
"Make of that as you probably will." Regarding Casemiro's quote, I don't really see anything there that supports any of the three hypotheses about the reason for his lacklustre movement.
Anyway, sorry I've irritated you yet again. Have a good day.
posted on 9/4/24
The problem with what match going fans (a fair few of them to be honest) see is that they don’t have much of a clue about football. Busby is a classic example of this.
No different to some of the daft comments you see from fans watching it on TV.
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