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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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Your defence of Southgate there was just as extreme on the spectrum as any of the crazy ones slating him.
Well neither have ever won anything at all ever, so why not?
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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Your defence of Southgate there was just as extreme on the spectrum as any of the crazy ones slating him.
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I’m not defending Southgate, I’m saying fans like you are ignoring what I wrote above. Feel free to counter the points made about the squad, anything will do.
International managers are rarely what you would call elite managers. It's a different skill-set and there are many managers who have looked good in the international arena but have done sod all in the club arena.
Southgate is unusual in being such a young manager - he's not been terrible, but even if he wins the Euros, I think he will go.
I think Potter and Howe would still want to achieve at club level. Poch might consider it, I can imagine the dynamic of international management suiting him and him fitting in quite well.
Ultimately it doesn't matter how well you play etc etc, it's if you get the trophy, do that and all else is forgiven
How many of the England squad have won anything before?
The City players, Trent and…?
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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The defence hasn't even been the problem so far. It may be when we start facing better teams. We have all these attacking players and we aren't creating or scoring. We know Southgate's mindset and he is safe and cautious. He's afraid of making the big changes because he doesn't want to upset any of his players.
I don't see people saying that we'll turn over France, Portugal etc. (I mean we should have a fair chance) but bloody hell, how can we not even turn over some of the teams in this group?
We have won 2 games in our last 8 with many quality players, so Southgate is pretty much in relegation form going into the KO stages of a major tournament. He should not be managing this England squad.
I think England should get Michael Carrick in charge.
I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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Your defence of Southgate there was just as extreme on the spectrum as any of the crazy ones slating him.
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I’m not defending Southgate, I’m saying fans like you are ignoring what I wrote above. Feel free to counter the points made about the squad, anything will do.
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You used such an extreme bunch of examples to downplay the England squad whilst making out the likes of France and Portugal etc are miles superior when in reality there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of their squads too. Pepe still plays for Portugal. Ronaldo is miles past it. Their defence is hardly great and it’s not like their squad is much better than Englands. France are not exactly amazing either. Who even is their keeper? They have Rabiot start for them alongside a past it Kante. Dembele on the right is average.
So expecting England to go all the way (not as a minimum but as a reasonable target) isn’t being OTT. They have two of Man City’s defence starting. They have one of the best DMs in Europe in Rice. They have the best player in England, the best player in Spain and the best player in Germany starting. They have an attacking collection of players who would get in any European side.
But whether they win or not is one thing. The real ‘crime’ Southgate is guilty of is a mind numbingly boring and safe style of football and he is loath to drop his favourites.
Every single thing I wrote about the squad is true.
It’s just England fans thinking we’re the absolute bollox as usual, vastly overrating players and ignoring actual systems.
Robb,
Your fist paragraph would make sense if France and Portugal fans were constantly saying they should be winning the tournament and whinging at their manager. To my knowledge, they’re not.
‘ So expecting England to go all the way (not as a minimum but as a reasonable target) isn’t being OTT’
So what you’re saying is people are upset about something that hasn’t happened?
The squad just isn’t THAT good collectively. We’ve some good forwards and some good 8’s, a quality RB and a good international GK. That’s it.
I see again we’re just ignoring the squad imbalance. We have Tripier at LB ffs Ges fvcking bobbins there. Who would we replace him with? Gomez? Oh joy.
Your fist paragraph would make sense if France and Portugal fans were constantly saying they should be winning the tournament and whinging at their manager. To my knowledge, they’re not.
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I’m fairly certain the French fans think winning the euros is even more of a requirement than the England fans. You’d have to speak to Rosso to get an idea of the levels of expectations that the Portuguese have.
I don’t even think the England fans expect to win the Euros or the worst cup. I’m sure they’d be more than happy with glorious failure after watching a game where England go for it in a semi final or final but despite your legitimate points about Trippier being left back - you surely can’t disagree with the boring stuff being served up against the likes of Slovenia and Serbia?
You can surely see why England fans are dissatisfied with what they see and it often is like watching a side play with the handbrake on.
*disagree with the criticism
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
I don’t even think the England fans expect to win the Euros or the worst cup
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Okay.
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
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Well you play to your strengths don't you. Not every great team is going to be without flaws. We have more than enough to make up for some of the deficiencies but Safegate doesn't utilise them.
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I don’t even think the England fans expect to win the Euros or the worst cup
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Okay.
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I think they reckon England have a good chance but not one sane fan would think Gareth failed if he made a semi and they went out giving their all. The main - and fair - criticisms of him is his diabolical in game management where he’s more than happy to sit on a lead and change nothing. Against quality sides that’s asking for trouble and let’s be honest - you go on about squad strength but there’s no way the Croatia 2018 and Italy 2020 squads were better than Englands.
What they had is managers who could change the games. Something Southgate just hasn’t shown. Maybe he’ll bust out his plan B finally in Germany
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I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
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Well you play to your strengths don't you. Not every great team is going to be without flaws. We have more than enough to make up for some of the deficiencies but Safegate doesn't utilise them.
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I actually couldn’t disagree more, but there we go.
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posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
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Farage influence innit.
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comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
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Farage influence innit.
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I'd love it if Wales appointed Henry as Wales boss!
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I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
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Well you play to your strengths don't you. Not every great team is going to be without flaws. We have more than enough to make up for some of the deficiencies but Safegate doesn't utilise them.
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I actually couldn’t disagree more, but there we go.
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Do you not think we could and should put out better than what we've seen against our group then? Cause if you do then I'm not sure what you're disagreeing about.
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
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I think in an international competition you should have managers representing the country they're managing otherwise it muddies the water of what the competition is about. A manager is a big part of the team, if not the most important member of the team so I think it should matter.
I get that England don't have a lot of choice of good English managers now but you know that's sort of tough luck, we should be producing better managers I guess.
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posted on 26/6/24
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comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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Your defence of Southgate there was just as extreme on the spectrum as any of the crazy ones slating him.
posted on 26/6/24
Well neither have ever won anything at all ever, so why not?
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comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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Your defence of Southgate there was just as extreme on the spectrum as any of the crazy ones slating him.
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I’m not defending Southgate, I’m saying fans like you are ignoring what I wrote above. Feel free to counter the points made about the squad, anything will do.
posted on 26/6/24
International managers are rarely what you would call elite managers. It's a different skill-set and there are many managers who have looked good in the international arena but have done sod all in the club arena.
Southgate is unusual in being such a young manager - he's not been terrible, but even if he wins the Euros, I think he will go.
I think Potter and Howe would still want to achieve at club level. Poch might consider it, I can imagine the dynamic of international management suiting him and him fitting in quite well.
Ultimately it doesn't matter how well you play etc etc, it's if you get the trophy, do that and all else is forgiven
posted on 26/6/24
How many of the England squad have won anything before?
The City players, Trent and…?
posted on 26/6/24
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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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The defence hasn't even been the problem so far. It may be when we start facing better teams. We have all these attacking players and we aren't creating or scoring. We know Southgate's mindset and he is safe and cautious. He's afraid of making the big changes because he doesn't want to upset any of his players.
I don't see people saying that we'll turn over France, Portugal etc. (I mean we should have a fair chance) but bloody hell, how can we not even turn over some of the teams in this group?
We have won 2 games in our last 8 with many quality players, so Southgate is pretty much in relegation form going into the KO stages of a major tournament. He should not be managing this England squad.
posted on 26/6/24
I think England should get Michael Carrick in charge.
posted on 26/6/24
I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
posted on 26/6/24
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Even if we crash out playing as bad as we have this tournament Southgate will still be looked at fondly because he got us to a Euro final and WC semi. Even if you could argue he should have got more out of the players he had he's done far more than pretty much any manager bar Ramsey.
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He'd only be looked at fondly by people who haven't got a clue. Those that have will see he was squandering England's best chances to win anything for this era.
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Why do people deal in these absolutes?
That’s rhetorical tbf, because I know why. They think this England side is absolutely brimming with talent all over the pitch, when in reality, it isn’t.
The defence is mince individually. We literally don’t have a single DM with any experience, we don’t have a single fit left back, we have a striker who can’t be displaced but also can’t run behind or the the channels and no LWF to speak of with any experience.
It’s an incredibly unbalanced squad but apparently this side should be turning over squads like France, Portugal, the current holders and the hosts because we have about 12 number 8s.
Yer, okay.
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Your defence of Southgate there was just as extreme on the spectrum as any of the crazy ones slating him.
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I’m not defending Southgate, I’m saying fans like you are ignoring what I wrote above. Feel free to counter the points made about the squad, anything will do.
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You used such an extreme bunch of examples to downplay the England squad whilst making out the likes of France and Portugal etc are miles superior when in reality there are plenty of legitimate criticisms of their squads too. Pepe still plays for Portugal. Ronaldo is miles past it. Their defence is hardly great and it’s not like their squad is much better than Englands. France are not exactly amazing either. Who even is their keeper? They have Rabiot start for them alongside a past it Kante. Dembele on the right is average.
So expecting England to go all the way (not as a minimum but as a reasonable target) isn’t being OTT. They have two of Man City’s defence starting. They have one of the best DMs in Europe in Rice. They have the best player in England, the best player in Spain and the best player in Germany starting. They have an attacking collection of players who would get in any European side.
But whether they win or not is one thing. The real ‘crime’ Southgate is guilty of is a mind numbingly boring and safe style of football and he is loath to drop his favourites.
posted on 26/6/24
Every single thing I wrote about the squad is true.
It’s just England fans thinking we’re the absolute bollox as usual, vastly overrating players and ignoring actual systems.
posted on 26/6/24
Robb,
Your fist paragraph would make sense if France and Portugal fans were constantly saying they should be winning the tournament and whinging at their manager. To my knowledge, they’re not.
‘ So expecting England to go all the way (not as a minimum but as a reasonable target) isn’t being OTT’
So what you’re saying is people are upset about something that hasn’t happened?
The squad just isn’t THAT good collectively. We’ve some good forwards and some good 8’s, a quality RB and a good international GK. That’s it.
I see again we’re just ignoring the squad imbalance. We have Tripier at LB ffs Ges fvcking bobbins there. Who would we replace him with? Gomez? Oh joy.
posted on 26/6/24
Your fist paragraph would make sense if France and Portugal fans were constantly saying they should be winning the tournament and whinging at their manager. To my knowledge, they’re not.
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I’m fairly certain the French fans think winning the euros is even more of a requirement than the England fans. You’d have to speak to Rosso to get an idea of the levels of expectations that the Portuguese have.
I don’t even think the England fans expect to win the Euros or the worst cup. I’m sure they’d be more than happy with glorious failure after watching a game where England go for it in a semi final or final but despite your legitimate points about Trippier being left back - you surely can’t disagree with the boring stuff being served up against the likes of Slovenia and Serbia?
You can surely see why England fans are dissatisfied with what they see and it often is like watching a side play with the handbrake on.
posted on 26/6/24
*World Cup.
posted on 26/6/24
*disagree with the criticism
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
posted on 26/6/24
I don’t even think the England fans expect to win the Euros or the worst cup
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Okay.
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
posted on 26/6/24
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
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Well you play to your strengths don't you. Not every great team is going to be without flaws. We have more than enough to make up for some of the deficiencies but Safegate doesn't utilise them.
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 4 minutes ago
I don’t even think the England fans expect to win the Euros or the worst cup
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Okay.
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I think they reckon England have a good chance but not one sane fan would think Gareth failed if he made a semi and they went out giving their all. The main - and fair - criticisms of him is his diabolical in game management where he’s more than happy to sit on a lead and change nothing. Against quality sides that’s asking for trouble and let’s be honest - you go on about squad strength but there’s no way the Croatia 2018 and Italy 2020 squads were better than Englands.
What they had is managers who could change the games. Something Southgate just hasn’t shown. Maybe he’ll bust out his plan B finally in Germany
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
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Well you play to your strengths don't you. Not every great team is going to be without flaws. We have more than enough to make up for some of the deficiencies but Safegate doesn't utilise them.
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I actually couldn’t disagree more, but there we go.
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
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Farage influence innit.
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
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Farage influence innit.
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I'd love it if Wales appointed Henry as Wales boss!
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
I’ll take in paragraphs Spurtle
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1) Do you think it’s possible that we’re less attacking to make up for our deficiencies in defence plus no DM?
2) We won the group
3) Form isn’t great, I’ll give you that, but you’re including half of them being friendliest and tbh, imo, it’s reaching.
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1) No, I think we shouldn't need to worry about the defence for this group. With the squad we have attack should be our best form of defence, but with the manager we have it's always a cautious, unadventurous approach. The evidence is there - only changing Trent for Gallagher, talking about missing Phillips, making late subs etc.
2) Winning the group was about the minimum we could have done in the circumstances. You or I could manage England to the top of this group, or we could have even done so without a manager. We also did it with the most uninspired performances ever. Yesterday we had a free hit as we were already through and it was more about the performance than the result. Southgate didn't deliver.
3) Friendlies or not, still shouldn't be losing to the likes of Iceland at home.
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Oh I don’t disagree that Southgate should go know. I don’t like a lot of things about this tournament.
But you could have Pep/Carlo and Sir Alf rolled into one, we’d still have no left back, no DM, no left wing forward and two ball playing weak CBs in a squad that individually has won nothing in their career ever bar about four players.
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Well you play to your strengths don't you. Not every great team is going to be without flaws. We have more than enough to make up for some of the deficiencies but Safegate doesn't utilise them.
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I actually couldn’t disagree more, but there we go.
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Do you not think we could and should put out better than what we've seen against our group then? Cause if you do then I'm not sure what you're disagreeing about.
posted on 26/6/24
comment by Irishred (U2539)
posted 1 hour, 46 minutes ago
Why the aversion from some to a non English manager?
Genuine question. Surely if he/she is doing the business and getting results their nationality shouldn’t matter?
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I think in an international competition you should have managers representing the country they're managing otherwise it muddies the water of what the competition is about. A manager is a big part of the team, if not the most important member of the team so I think it should matter.
I get that England don't have a lot of choice of good English managers now but you know that's sort of tough luck, we should be producing better managers I guess.
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