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Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 6 minutes ago
I warned people on here 4 years ago that Biden would be so bad that Trump would serve a 2nd term. And all I got was abuse from the delusional far left cultists like VC saying I had no idea what I was talking about.
I hate to say I told you so but…
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"Trump won’t turn up for the debates. He will get rinsed by Biden. Biden’s decline doesn’t even come close to the gibberish mess that is Trump"
-VC ðŸ¤
It's wild to me that Trump can say things like "they believe in abortion after birth" and his mental capacity isn't questioned because he says it with confidence and that's just who he is.
Happens over here too, and I genuinely hate how different politicians get held to different standards.
would be so bad that Trump would serve a 2nd term. And all I got was abuse from the delusional far left cultists like VC saying I had no idea what I was talking about.
…….
No idea why you would think I was far left? I think you just make things up.
"Trump won’t turn up for the debates. He will get rinsed by Biden. Biden’s decline doesn’t even come close to the gibberish mess that is Trump"
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I did get the first two sentences wrong.
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's wild to me that Trump can say things like "they believe in abortion after birth" and his mental capacity isn't questioned because he says it with confidence and that's just who he is.
Happens over here too, and I genuinely hate how different politicians get held to different standards.
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That right there is the big problem with the media in the USA. They have normalized this for Trump.
Trump actually believed Hanibal Lecter was a real person.
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comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
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Yes and no sadly. Trump is also very much cognitively challenged but he can still at least somewhat appear kind of normal to most people. I said in my thread earlier that if the Democrats had the courage to take Biden out and put Newsom in they’d beat Trump fairly easy imo. Instead they’re taking a huge chance on the future of America by going with Biden again.
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They don't even like him in California
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They'd all still vote for him
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How do you know
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It's California, isn't it? They'll never go Republican.
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that doesn't mean all of them will vote for him, that is what you said
Anyways there must be better options that him.
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Doesn't matter because the votes for California would go to the Den candidate anyway.
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That’s one state ffs, he ain’t like there and even more so across America.
Better off with Biden than that dude.
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The point was that California would still go to the Dems and Newsom.
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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Well said Fletch saan.
I really think Trump is going to win this election (not that i want him to). It's shocking that these two are Americas best candidates
Trump calling Biden a Palestinian as a slur was pretty mental.
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comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's wild to me that Trump can say things like "they believe in abortion after birth" and his mental capacity isn't questioned because he says it with confidence and that's just who he is.
Happens over here too, and I genuinely hate how different politicians get held to different standards.
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That right there is the big problem with the media in the USA. They have normalized this for Trump.
Trump actually believed Hanibal Lecter was a real person.
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Yep, Trump spouts absolute gibberish day in, day out, most of it blatantly untrue, and it’s seemingly accepted as “normal” somehow. Anyone who hasn’t seen his epic rant at a Las Vegas rally earlier this month really needs to Google it … “Trump boats sharks and batteries” should suffice. Certifiable stuff.
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 39 seconds ago
Trump calling Biden a Palestinian as a slur was pretty mental.
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Yep, one of many “open goal” opportunities offered by Trump that Biden was too addled to counter. He also claimed the Dems support abortion at 8, 9 months, even after birth … I mean WTF?!! Also slagging Biden for having the worst budget deficit in history, when that dubious honour is actually from Trump’s first term, by a long way.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
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Normally it has no bearing whatsoever. The reason I asked in this case was specifically because of the impact it might have on young voter turnout, in view of the widespread demonstrations on college campuses. The sense of injustice regarding the Gaza War could deter many of them from voting for Biden; these aren't people who'd switch their vote to Trump, but rather choose not to vote at all.
I don't know exactly what % of the vote they might come to represent, and idk just how influential that population segment might turn out to be in potential swing-states, but the result in a close-run election can ultimately hinge upon the ability to bring people out rather than how many in-betweeners you manage to convince.
(Very different situation in the UK, as Labour isn't furnishing Israel with sophisticated weaponry, nor does it have anything remotely close to the political weight of the US Gov)
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 39 seconds ago
Trump calling Biden a Palestinian as a slur was pretty mental.
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Yep, one of many “open goal” opportunities offered by Trump that Biden was too addled to counter. He also claimed the Dems support abortion at 8, 9 months, even after birth … I mean WTF?!! Also slagging Biden for having the worst budget deficit in history, when that dubious honour is actually from Trump’s first term, by a long way.
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Biden just doesn't seem to have the mental agility to keep up.
Half the time he even forgets how he started a sentence by the time he's reached the middle of it. How's he going to mentally retain a bullet list of the points he wants to respond to?
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posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
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Normally it has no bearing whatsoever. The reason I asked in this case was specifically because of the impact it might have on young voter turnout, in view of the widespread demonstrations on college campuses. The sense of injustice regarding the Gaza War could deter many of them from voting for Biden; these aren't people who'd switch their vote to Trump, but rather choose not to vote at all.
I don't know exactly what % of the vote they might come to represent, and idk just how influential that population segment might turn out to be in potential swing-states, but the result in a close-run election can ultimately hinge upon the ability to bring people out rather than how many in-betweeners you manage to convince.
(Very different situation in the UK, as Labour isn't furnishing Israel with sophisticated weaponry, nor does it have anything remotely close to the political weight of the US Gov)
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I do understand that, I just have my reservations over how big those numbers are. Also worth considering that many younger voters will reluctantly vote for the Democrats because of how much they dislike Trump - often in these cases people will put aside their moral beliefs and vote to keep the opposition out. We’ll need to see what things look like in terms of turnout once it happens.
I know the situations are different in the UK given the standings of the respective nations, but the UK have given political and military support to Israel for nearly a century, as well as arms sales. It’s just an example of a Western democracy that doesn’t pay much attention to foreign policy at the ballot, and it shares many similarities with America in this regard, even if the situations do not map exactly.
They are both way too old. Not being ageist but there really should be an age limit for world leaders. Most folk have the option to retire between 60-66 yet the USA is looking to give the top job to one of 2 people who really should be at the feet up stage.
I hope not but I think trump will win and he’s one deranged looney as well as being a man sized Oompa Loompa
Trump won't achieve anything in office anyway
The Democrats seem pretty much damned either way. If Biden continues in that vein (as opposed to the state of the union, which was actually pretty strong) then he's in trouble. Not that natural central/left voters will move to Trump but they might just stay at home if they think both options are as bad as each other.
But if they switch candidates at this point it looks pretty desperate and they only have a few month for the new candidate to get over to the public who they are and why they should vote for them. It'd need to be a pretty charismatic and popular person to pull it off.
I don't really know enough about other candidates but from the 2020 primaries Pete Buttigieg seemed to come out with credit.
Won't be surprised if who ever wins dies in office anyway.
The worry with Trump however is you'll 100% have people believing he got assassinated, because heaven forbid an 85 year old man dies of natural causes.
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posted 4 minutes ago
Trump won't achieve anything in office anyway
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I wish that were right. Sadly, for the rest of the world it will not be.
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posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 17 minutes ago
Trump won't achieve anything in office anyway
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Trump himself might not... But the powers around him, that know how to play him (eg, praise him and feed him ideas, but make them seem like his ideas) have been setting the stage for decades... They have packed the supreme court with dubious judges and can now really start wielding power.
What really depresses me is the message it sends; you can blatantly lie to the electorate and it doesn't matter, you can still get elected. You can break the law, doesn't matter. You can incite violence, doesn't matter.
We had our own bullsh*t artist in Boris but at least it looks like the Tories are going to pay for that at the ballot box. In America there just doesn't seem to be any incentive to be honest!
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
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comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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I’m cynical of that, to be honest. Corporate America is still the influential arm of America’s foreign policy. As much as Americans, and others outside, like to pretend that the President is hugely influential on this policy, and that somehow the Republicans and Democrats are left and right wing economically, there doesn’t seem to be a grate deal of evidence of it.
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posted on 28/6/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 6 minutes ago
I warned people on here 4 years ago that Biden would be so bad that Trump would serve a 2nd term. And all I got was abuse from the delusional far left cultists like VC saying I had no idea what I was talking about.
I hate to say I told you so but…
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"Trump won’t turn up for the debates. He will get rinsed by Biden. Biden’s decline doesn’t even come close to the gibberish mess that is Trump"
-VC ðŸ¤
posted on 28/6/24
It's wild to me that Trump can say things like "they believe in abortion after birth" and his mental capacity isn't questioned because he says it with confidence and that's just who he is.
Happens over here too, and I genuinely hate how different politicians get held to different standards.
posted on 28/6/24
would be so bad that Trump would serve a 2nd term. And all I got was abuse from the delusional far left cultists like VC saying I had no idea what I was talking about.
…….
No idea why you would think I was far left? I think you just make things up.
posted on 28/6/24
"Trump won’t turn up for the debates. He will get rinsed by Biden. Biden’s decline doesn’t even come close to the gibberish mess that is Trump"
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I did get the first two sentences wrong.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's wild to me that Trump can say things like "they believe in abortion after birth" and his mental capacity isn't questioned because he says it with confidence and that's just who he is.
Happens over here too, and I genuinely hate how different politicians get held to different standards.
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That right there is the big problem with the media in the USA. They have normalized this for Trump.
Trump actually believed Hanibal Lecter was a real person.
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Yes and no sadly. Trump is also very much cognitively challenged but he can still at least somewhat appear kind of normal to most people. I said in my thread earlier that if the Democrats had the courage to take Biden out and put Newsom in they’d beat Trump fairly easy imo. Instead they’re taking a huge chance on the future of America by going with Biden again.
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They don't even like him in California
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They'd all still vote for him
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How do you know
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It's California, isn't it? They'll never go Republican.
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that doesn't mean all of them will vote for him, that is what you said
Anyways there must be better options that him.
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Doesn't matter because the votes for California would go to the Den candidate anyway.
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That’s one state ffs, he ain’t like there and even more so across America.
Better off with Biden than that dude.
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The point was that California would still go to the Dems and Newsom.
posted on 28/6/24
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posted 23 minutes ago
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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Well said Fletch saan.
posted on 28/6/24
I really think Trump is going to win this election (not that i want him to). It's shocking that these two are Americas best candidates
posted on 28/6/24
Trump calling Biden a Palestinian as a slur was pretty mental.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 11 minutes ago
It's wild to me that Trump can say things like "they believe in abortion after birth" and his mental capacity isn't questioned because he says it with confidence and that's just who he is.
Happens over here too, and I genuinely hate how different politicians get held to different standards.
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That right there is the big problem with the media in the USA. They have normalized this for Trump.
Trump actually believed Hanibal Lecter was a real person.
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Yep, Trump spouts absolute gibberish day in, day out, most of it blatantly untrue, and it’s seemingly accepted as “normal” somehow. Anyone who hasn’t seen his epic rant at a Las Vegas rally earlier this month really needs to Google it … “Trump boats sharks and batteries” should suffice. Certifiable stuff.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 39 seconds ago
Trump calling Biden a Palestinian as a slur was pretty mental.
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Yep, one of many “open goal” opportunities offered by Trump that Biden was too addled to counter. He also claimed the Dems support abortion at 8, 9 months, even after birth … I mean WTF?!! Also slagging Biden for having the worst budget deficit in history, when that dubious honour is actually from Trump’s first term, by a long way.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
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Normally it has no bearing whatsoever. The reason I asked in this case was specifically because of the impact it might have on young voter turnout, in view of the widespread demonstrations on college campuses. The sense of injustice regarding the Gaza War could deter many of them from voting for Biden; these aren't people who'd switch their vote to Trump, but rather choose not to vote at all.
I don't know exactly what % of the vote they might come to represent, and idk just how influential that population segment might turn out to be in potential swing-states, but the result in a close-run election can ultimately hinge upon the ability to bring people out rather than how many in-betweeners you manage to convince.
(Very different situation in the UK, as Labour isn't furnishing Israel with sophisticated weaponry, nor does it have anything remotely close to the political weight of the US Gov)
posted on 28/6/24
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posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 39 seconds ago
Trump calling Biden a Palestinian as a slur was pretty mental.
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Yep, one of many “open goal” opportunities offered by Trump that Biden was too addled to counter. He also claimed the Dems support abortion at 8, 9 months, even after birth … I mean WTF?!! Also slagging Biden for having the worst budget deficit in history, when that dubious honour is actually from Trump’s first term, by a long way.
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Biden just doesn't seem to have the mental agility to keep up.
Half the time he even forgets how he started a sentence by the time he's reached the middle of it. How's he going to mentally retain a bullet list of the points he wants to respond to?
posted on 28/6/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
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Normally it has no bearing whatsoever. The reason I asked in this case was specifically because of the impact it might have on young voter turnout, in view of the widespread demonstrations on college campuses. The sense of injustice regarding the Gaza War could deter many of them from voting for Biden; these aren't people who'd switch their vote to Trump, but rather choose not to vote at all.
I don't know exactly what % of the vote they might come to represent, and idk just how influential that population segment might turn out to be in potential swing-states, but the result in a close-run election can ultimately hinge upon the ability to bring people out rather than how many in-betweeners you manage to convince.
(Very different situation in the UK, as Labour isn't furnishing Israel with sophisticated weaponry, nor does it have anything remotely close to the political weight of the US Gov)
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I do understand that, I just have my reservations over how big those numbers are. Also worth considering that many younger voters will reluctantly vote for the Democrats because of how much they dislike Trump - often in these cases people will put aside their moral beliefs and vote to keep the opposition out. We’ll need to see what things look like in terms of turnout once it happens.
I know the situations are different in the UK given the standings of the respective nations, but the UK have given political and military support to Israel for nearly a century, as well as arms sales. It’s just an example of a Western democracy that doesn’t pay much attention to foreign policy at the ballot, and it shares many similarities with America in this regard, even if the situations do not map exactly.
posted on 28/6/24
They are both way too old. Not being ageist but there really should be an age limit for world leaders. Most folk have the option to retire between 60-66 yet the USA is looking to give the top job to one of 2 people who really should be at the feet up stage.
I hope not but I think trump will win and he’s one deranged looney as well as being a man sized Oompa Loompa
posted on 28/6/24
Trump won't achieve anything in office anyway
posted on 28/6/24
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posted on 28/6/24
The Democrats seem pretty much damned either way. If Biden continues in that vein (as opposed to the state of the union, which was actually pretty strong) then he's in trouble. Not that natural central/left voters will move to Trump but they might just stay at home if they think both options are as bad as each other.
But if they switch candidates at this point it looks pretty desperate and they only have a few month for the new candidate to get over to the public who they are and why they should vote for them. It'd need to be a pretty charismatic and popular person to pull it off.
I don't really know enough about other candidates but from the 2020 primaries Pete Buttigieg seemed to come out with credit.
posted on 28/6/24
Won't be surprised if who ever wins dies in office anyway.
The worry with Trump however is you'll 100% have people believing he got assassinated, because heaven forbid an 85 year old man dies of natural causes.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 4 minutes ago
Trump won't achieve anything in office anyway
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I wish that were right. Sadly, for the rest of the world it will not be.
posted on 28/6/24
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posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Onana what's my name? (U14210)
posted 17 minutes ago
Trump won't achieve anything in office anyway
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Trump himself might not... But the powers around him, that know how to play him (eg, praise him and feed him ideas, but make them seem like his ideas) have been setting the stage for decades... They have packed the supreme court with dubious judges and can now really start wielding power.
posted on 28/6/24
What really depresses me is the message it sends; you can blatantly lie to the electorate and it doesn't matter, you can still get elected. You can break the law, doesn't matter. You can incite violence, doesn't matter.
We had our own bullsh*t artist in Boris but at least it looks like the Tories are going to pay for that at the ballot box. In America there just doesn't seem to be any incentive to be honest!
posted on 28/6/24
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Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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I’m cynical of that, to be honest. Corporate America is still the influential arm of America’s foreign policy. As much as Americans, and others outside, like to pretend that the President is hugely influential on this policy, and that somehow the Republicans and Democrats are left and right wing economically, there doesn’t seem to be a grate deal of evidence of it.
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