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Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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That in itself doesn’t look good for Biden either though. Even though we know it’s not really Biden’s fault, the world is a dangerous place in the 4 years he’s been in power. Again, not (mainly) his fault but to the voter who wants to see an ‘America First” next 4 years they might choose Trump who probably would achieve that but by cosying up to those who he really shouldn’t.
Starting by on day 1 handing Ukraine over to Putin.
I remember reading a while back someone stating that if you read the transcripts of Trumps's speeches they're just essentially a long nonsensical ramble. Couldn't find that exact article but this one is a good example of how incoherent he is:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/president-donald-trump-rose-garden-speech/index.html
On Covid:
“But if we did – think of this, if we didn’t do testing – instead of testing over 40 million people, if we did half the testing we’d have half the cases. If we did another – you cut that in half, we’d have yet again half of that.”
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 14 minutes ago
What really depresses me is the message it sends; you can blatantly lie to the electorate and it doesn't matter, you can still get elected. You can break the law, doesn't matter. You can incite violence, doesn't matter.
We had our own bullsh*t artist in Boris but at least it looks like the Tories are going to pay for that at the ballot box. In America there just doesn't seem to be any incentive to be honest!
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It doesn't help so many Americans don't understand how their own government works and seem to think every little thing is down to the President.
Biden tweeted a day or two ago that he'll try and codify Roe v Wade if he's re-elected, to which I've seen tweets with 100k likes saying why don't you do it now then? He literally can't do it right now because Republicans control the house and the senate is split.
I'm not even American and I even seem to have a better understanding than half of them ffs.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
On Covid:
“But if we did – think of this, if we didn’t do testing – instead of testing over 40 million people, if we did half the testing we’d have half the cases. If we did another – you cut that in half, we’d have yet again half of that.”
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My favourite is always his speech about an Iran deal in 2015:
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 46 minutes ago
The Democrats seem pretty much damned either way. If Biden continues in that vein (as opposed to the state of the union, which was actually pretty strong) then he's in trouble. Not that natural central/left voters will move to Trump but they might just stay at home if they think both options are as bad as each other.
But if they switch candidates at this point it looks pretty desperate and they only have a few month for the new candidate to get over to the public who they are and why they should vote for them. It'd need to be a pretty charismatic and popular person to pull it off.
I don't really know enough about other candidates but from the 2020 primaries Pete Buttigieg seemed to come out with credit.
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A pretty charismatic and popular person, and outstanding candidate for first female President, WOULD have been Michelle Obama. She’d absolutely run rings round Trump in any debate. Shame she was never interested.
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
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Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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I’m cynical of that, to be honest. Corporate America is still the influential arm of America’s foreign policy. As much as Americans, and others outside, like to pretend that the President is hugely influential on this policy, and that somehow the Republicans and Democrats are left and right wing economically, there doesn’t seem to be a grate deal of evidence of it.
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I think there are some areas where Biden’s policy has been markedly different to what we saw from Trump, particularly in Bidenomics, which might look on the cover like domestic policy, but is also very much about a long-term reformatting of the US’s economic relationships with (primarily) China and Mexico.
Trump would undoubtedly be more hawkish with China, less so with Ukraine (to an extent), and look to pivot away from Europe to Asia in terms of economic strategy.
And then look at what Trump did with the Paris Accord, which we’d see again (immediately), his and the Reps views on deep sea mining, etc.
Barring Russia, on the flashpoints - Israel, Middle East, NK, Taiwan - I don’t think there’s much between them, and that’s about longer-term US geopolitical strategy (in no small part driven by corporate America ). The US will continue to attempt to fulfil what it sees as its destiny in being the world police, and in doing so will continue to make the world a much less safe place to live in.
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comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
On Covid:
“But if we did – think of this, if we didn’t do testing – instead of testing over 40 million people, if we did half the testing we’d have half the cases. If we did another – you cut that in half, we’d have yet again half of that.”
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My favourite is always his speech about an Iran deal in 2015:
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."
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When you read it out it becomes clear just what a ramble it is!
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comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 5 minutes ago
The Dems and Republicans have both become cults over the last 10 years. The idiotic Americans will stick to their cult, no matter how badly their leaders embarrass them. It’s what keeps clowns like Biden and Trump in power.
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There might be fewer swing voters, but many more are undecided on whether to actually vote or not. Foreign policy is rarely an influential factor on US elections, but Biden's stance on Gaza looks like going a long way towards demobilising younger Democrat voters.
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Trumps stance will be worse, make no mistake about that.
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comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 5 minutes ago
The Dems and Republicans have both become cults over the last 10 years. The idiotic Americans will stick to their cult, no matter how badly their leaders embarrass them. It’s what keeps clowns like Biden and Trump in power.
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There might be fewer swing voters, but many more are undecided on whether to actually vote or not. Foreign policy is rarely an influential factor on US elections, but Biden's stance on Gaza looks like going a long way towards demobilising younger Democrat voters.
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Trumps stance will be worse, make no mistake about that.
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This.
Anybody seriously thinking of not voting for Biden because of “his” policy on Gaza really doesn’t deserve a vote. Trump would be no different/worse, as well as obviously being worse on just about everything else as well.
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
It’s amazing a convicted felon as corrupt as trump is allowed to run for office. What a joke of a country
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
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The biggest problem is the ridiculous electoral system the US has.
The US electorate needs to spend less time complaining about the binary choice in front of them, and more time complaining about their anachronistic, undemocratic, bipartisan joke of a system.
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
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Yep, the Dems have been sleepwalking towards this point for years … a bit like the Tories, to be fair. To be in a position where they could actually lose to Trump, after all he’s said and done, is pretty unforgivable. Meanwhile, the GoP continue worshipping the insane cult of Trump, no matter where that leads. Utter madness really.
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comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
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The biggest problem is the ridiculous electoral system the US has.
The US electorate needs to spend less time complaining about the binary choice in front of them, and more time complaining about their anachronistic, undemocratic, bipartisan joke of a system.
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Yep, it is pretty daft. The guy with the most votes may not win the vote yet again.
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comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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I’m cynical of that, to be honest. Corporate America is still the influential arm of America’s foreign policy. As much as Americans, and others outside, like to pretend that the President is hugely influential on this policy, and that somehow the Republicans and Democrats are left and right wing economically, there doesn’t seem to be a grate deal of evidence of it.
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I think there are some areas where Biden’s policy has been markedly different to what we saw from Trump, particularly in Bidenomics, which might look on the cover like domestic policy, but is also very much about a long-term reformatting of the US’s economic relationships with (primarily) China and Mexico.
Trump would undoubtedly be more hawkish with China, less so with Ukraine (to an extent), and look to pivot away from Europe to Asia in terms of economic strategy.
And then look at what Trump did with the Paris Accord, which we’d see again (immediately), his and the Reps views on deep sea mining, etc.
Barring Russia, on the flashpoints - Israel, Middle East, NK, Taiwan - I don’t think there’s much between them, and that’s about longer-term US geopolitical strategy (in no small part driven by corporate America). The US will continue to attempt to fulfil what it sees as its destiny in being the world police, and in doing so will continue to make the world a much less safe place to live in.
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Good post, rosso.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
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I think the opposite. If Trump gets in then the Ukraine conflict will end fairly quickly and sadly for them most of Ukraine swallowed up and the rest given back to Zelensky in some kind of peace deal that favours the Russians.
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posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
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I think the opposite. If Trump gets in then the Ukraine conflict will end fairly quickly and sadly for them most of Ukraine swallowed up and the rest given back to Zelensky in some kind of peace deal that favours the Russians.
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I think Iran is the one we need to worry about regarding Trump. He has been quite clear how he will react
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comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
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I think the opposite. If Trump gets in then the Ukraine conflict will end fairly quickly and sadly for them most of Ukraine swallowed up and the rest given back to Zelensky in some kind of peace deal that favours the Russians.
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And regarding Ukraine, yeah, I think that is the inevitable outcome, regardless of what happens in the US.
It really doesn’t matter what Trump says. It’s the way he says things.
Laugh at him all your want but he is far more coherent and miles fitter than Biden, both physically and mentally.
90% of Americans are idiots and only care how people present themselves, not the messages they deliver. The wild thing is that the debate was the Dems idea, and the whole thing was set up for Trump to fail, and still, somehow, the senile blithering idiot Biden managed to get owned by him.
If you lose a debate to Trump then you are a facking dimwit and not fit to run a country, never mind the most powerful country in the world.
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 15 minutes ago
It really doesn’t matter what Trump says. It’s the way he says things.
Laugh at him all your want but he is far more coherent and miles fitter than Biden, both physically and mentally.
90% of Americans are idiots and only care how people present themselves, not the messages they deliver. The wild thing is that the debate was the Dems idea, and the whole thing was set up for Trump to fail, and still, somehow, the senile blithering idiot Biden managed to get owned by him.
If you lose a debate to Trump then you are a facking dimwit and not fit to run a country, never mind the most powerful country in the world.
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pretty daft comment in so many ways.
For a start Biden isn't a dimwit because he lost a debate to trump. He is 82 ffs, many of us here will be dead by then, he is just old.
Secondly, there are no more idiots in the US than there are in the UK. It is such a daft thing to say.
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 45 minutes ago
It really doesn’t matter what Trump says. It’s the way he says things.
Laugh at him all your want but he is far more coherent and miles fitter than Biden, both physically and mentally.
90% of Americans are idiots and only care how people present themselves, not the messages they deliver. The wild thing is that the debate was the Dems idea, and the whole thing was set up for Trump to fail, and still, somehow, the senile blithering idiot Biden managed to get owned by him.
If you lose a debate to Trump then you are a facking dimwit and not fit to run a country, never mind the most powerful country in the world.
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He didn't lose the debate, he answered well and Trump told loads of lies. The perception will be he lost it due to his mumbling and losing his train of thought because of course that's more important to most people. Most people are stupid.
He didn't lose the debate, he answered well and Trump told loads of lies. The perception will be he lost it due to his mumbling and losing his train of thought because of course that's more important to most people. Most people are stupid.
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comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
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comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
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Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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That in itself doesn’t look good for Biden either though. Even though we know it’s not really Biden’s fault, the world is a dangerous place in the 4 years he’s been in power. Again, not (mainly) his fault but to the voter who wants to see an ‘America First” next 4 years they might choose Trump who probably would achieve that but by cosying up to those who he really shouldn’t.
Starting by on day 1 handing Ukraine over to Putin.
posted on 28/6/24
*more dangerous place
posted on 28/6/24
I remember reading a while back someone stating that if you read the transcripts of Trumps's speeches they're just essentially a long nonsensical ramble. Couldn't find that exact article but this one is a good example of how incoherent he is:
https://edition.cnn.com/2020/07/15/politics/president-donald-trump-rose-garden-speech/index.html
posted on 28/6/24
On Covid:
“But if we did – think of this, if we didn’t do testing – instead of testing over 40 million people, if we did half the testing we’d have half the cases. If we did another – you cut that in half, we’d have yet again half of that.”
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 14 minutes ago
What really depresses me is the message it sends; you can blatantly lie to the electorate and it doesn't matter, you can still get elected. You can break the law, doesn't matter. You can incite violence, doesn't matter.
We had our own bullsh*t artist in Boris but at least it looks like the Tories are going to pay for that at the ballot box. In America there just doesn't seem to be any incentive to be honest!
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It doesn't help so many Americans don't understand how their own government works and seem to think every little thing is down to the President.
Biden tweeted a day or two ago that he'll try and codify Roe v Wade if he's re-elected, to which I've seen tweets with 100k likes saying why don't you do it now then? He literally can't do it right now because Republicans control the house and the senate is split.
I'm not even American and I even seem to have a better understanding than half of them ffs.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
On Covid:
“But if we did – think of this, if we didn’t do testing – instead of testing over 40 million people, if we did half the testing we’d have half the cases. If we did another – you cut that in half, we’d have yet again half of that.”
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My favourite is always his speech about an Iran deal in 2015:
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Szoboss (U6997)
posted 46 minutes ago
The Democrats seem pretty much damned either way. If Biden continues in that vein (as opposed to the state of the union, which was actually pretty strong) then he's in trouble. Not that natural central/left voters will move to Trump but they might just stay at home if they think both options are as bad as each other.
But if they switch candidates at this point it looks pretty desperate and they only have a few month for the new candidate to get over to the public who they are and why they should vote for them. It'd need to be a pretty charismatic and popular person to pull it off.
I don't really know enough about other candidates but from the 2020 primaries Pete Buttigieg seemed to come out with credit.
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A pretty charismatic and popular person, and outstanding candidate for first female President, WOULD have been Michelle Obama. She’d absolutely run rings round Trump in any debate. Shame she was never interested.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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I’m cynical of that, to be honest. Corporate America is still the influential arm of America’s foreign policy. As much as Americans, and others outside, like to pretend that the President is hugely influential on this policy, and that somehow the Republicans and Democrats are left and right wing economically, there doesn’t seem to be a grate deal of evidence of it.
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I think there are some areas where Biden’s policy has been markedly different to what we saw from Trump, particularly in Bidenomics, which might look on the cover like domestic policy, but is also very much about a long-term reformatting of the US’s economic relationships with (primarily) China and Mexico.
Trump would undoubtedly be more hawkish with China, less so with Ukraine (to an extent), and look to pivot away from Europe to Asia in terms of economic strategy.
And then look at what Trump did with the Paris Accord, which we’d see again (immediately), his and the Reps views on deep sea mining, etc.
Barring Russia, on the flashpoints - Israel, Middle East, NK, Taiwan - I don’t think there’s much between them, and that’s about longer-term US geopolitical strategy (in no small part driven by corporate America ). The US will continue to attempt to fulfil what it sees as its destiny in being the world police, and in doing so will continue to make the world a much less safe place to live in.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by The Welsh Xavi (U15412)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 11 minutes ago
On Covid:
“But if we did – think of this, if we didn’t do testing – instead of testing over 40 million people, if we did half the testing we’d have half the cases. If we did another – you cut that in half, we’d have yet again half of that.”
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My favourite is always his speech about an Iran deal in 2015:
"Look, having nuclear — my uncle was a great professor and scientist and engineer, Dr. John Trump at MIT; good genes, very good genes, okay, very smart, the Wharton School of Finance, very good, very smart — you know, if you’re a conservative Republican, if I were a liberal, if, like, okay, if I ran as a liberal Democrat, they would say I'm one of the smartest people anywhere in the world — it’s true! — but when you're a conservative Republican they try — oh, do they do a number — that’s why I always start off: Went to Wharton, was a good student, went there, went there, did this, built a fortune — you know I have to give my like credentials all the time, because we’re a little disadvantaged — but you look at the nuclear deal, the thing that really bothers me — it would have been so easy, and it’s not as important as these lives are (nuclear is powerful; my uncle explained that to me many, many years ago, the power and that was 35 years ago; he would explain the power of what's going to happen and he was right — who would have thought?), but when you look at what's going on with the four prisoners — now it used to be three, now it’s four — but when it was three and even now, I would have said it's all in the messenger; fellas, and it is fellas because, you know, they don't, they haven’t figured that the women are smarter right now than the men, so, you know, it’s gonna take them about another 150 years — but the Persians are great negotiators, the Iranians are great negotiators, so, and they, they just killed, they just killed us."
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When you read it out it becomes clear just what a ramble it is!
posted on 28/6/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 5 minutes ago
The Dems and Republicans have both become cults over the last 10 years. The idiotic Americans will stick to their cult, no matter how badly their leaders embarrass them. It’s what keeps clowns like Biden and Trump in power.
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There might be fewer swing voters, but many more are undecided on whether to actually vote or not. Foreign policy is rarely an influential factor on US elections, but Biden's stance on Gaza looks like going a long way towards demobilising younger Democrat voters.
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Trumps stance will be worse, make no mistake about that.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 hours, 35 minutes ago
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 5 minutes ago
The Dems and Republicans have both become cults over the last 10 years. The idiotic Americans will stick to their cult, no matter how badly their leaders embarrass them. It’s what keeps clowns like Biden and Trump in power.
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There might be fewer swing voters, but many more are undecided on whether to actually vote or not. Foreign policy is rarely an influential factor on US elections, but Biden's stance on Gaza looks like going a long way towards demobilising younger Democrat voters.
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Trumps stance will be worse, make no mistake about that.
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This.
Anybody seriously thinking of not voting for Biden because of “his” policy on Gaza really doesn’t deserve a vote. Trump would be no different/worse, as well as obviously being worse on just about everything else as well.
posted on 28/6/24
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
posted on 28/6/24
It’s amazing a convicted felon as corrupt as trump is allowed to run for office. What a joke of a country
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
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The biggest problem is the ridiculous electoral system the US has.
The US electorate needs to spend less time complaining about the binary choice in front of them, and more time complaining about their anachronistic, undemocratic, bipartisan joke of a system.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
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Yep, the Dems have been sleepwalking towards this point for years … a bit like the Tories, to be fair. To be in a position where they could actually lose to Trump, after all he’s said and done, is pretty unforgivable. Meanwhile, the GoP continue worshipping the insane cult of Trump, no matter where that leads. Utter madness really.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl... (U17054)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 6 minutes ago
The dems had four years to figure out a Biden successor as it was clear Biden was struggling and they did nothing ffs. The swing states are so tight it only takes very few to swing this election one way or another and on last nights showing Biden is doomed.
Trump is going to be the next president as I have said for a few years. A total disaster.
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The biggest problem is the ridiculous electoral system the US has.
The US electorate needs to spend less time complaining about the binary choice in front of them, and more time complaining about their anachronistic, undemocratic, bipartisan joke of a system.
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Yep, it is pretty daft. The guy with the most votes may not win the vote yet again.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 37 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 hour, 9 minutes ago
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
Is foreign policy ever that influential in elections in America? I’m not sure it has been historically.m, that’s usually the case in most countries.
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Depends on how close the vote is and from all polls this one is very close. Even losing a few thousand voters in key states who hate how Biden has overseen a genocide could be the difference. And I don’t mean losing voters to Trump. Just more that they might not want to vote for Biden so will go independent or not vote at all.
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But ultimately, I don’t think it makes much difference to the outcome, because the demographic that really care enough about foreign policy for it to impact their vote are a small minority.
It’s the same here in Britain, generally people just don’t care about foreign policy, especially when there’s usually not a huge difference in their foreign policy, as is the case in America.
That’s a sad indictment of politics, but it’s still true. Look at this election, Labour are going to win landslide, despite what’s happening in Gaza, and Labour’s attitudes to it.
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There’s a much, much bigger difference in foreign policy between Biden and Trump than there is between Sunak and Starmer, for example.
Wrt the Middle East, it probably isn’t huge. But there are at least somewhat significant differences on Russia, and huge differences on trade and tariffs and international treaties and organisations/cooperation.
You’re bang on when you say there are relatively few voters who will be interested in all of that though. The US electorate has always been very, very inward looking.
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I’m cynical of that, to be honest. Corporate America is still the influential arm of America’s foreign policy. As much as Americans, and others outside, like to pretend that the President is hugely influential on this policy, and that somehow the Republicans and Democrats are left and right wing economically, there doesn’t seem to be a grate deal of evidence of it.
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I think there are some areas where Biden’s policy has been markedly different to what we saw from Trump, particularly in Bidenomics, which might look on the cover like domestic policy, but is also very much about a long-term reformatting of the US’s economic relationships with (primarily) China and Mexico.
Trump would undoubtedly be more hawkish with China, less so with Ukraine (to an extent), and look to pivot away from Europe to Asia in terms of economic strategy.
And then look at what Trump did with the Paris Accord, which we’d see again (immediately), his and the Reps views on deep sea mining, etc.
Barring Russia, on the flashpoints - Israel, Middle East, NK, Taiwan - I don’t think there’s much between them, and that’s about longer-term US geopolitical strategy (in no small part driven by corporate America). The US will continue to attempt to fulfil what it sees as its destiny in being the world police, and in doing so will continue to make the world a much less safe place to live in.
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Good post, rosso.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
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I think the opposite. If Trump gets in then the Ukraine conflict will end fairly quickly and sadly for them most of Ukraine swallowed up and the rest given back to Zelensky in some kind of peace deal that favours the Russians.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
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I think the opposite. If Trump gets in then the Ukraine conflict will end fairly quickly and sadly for them most of Ukraine swallowed up and the rest given back to Zelensky in some kind of peace deal that favours the Russians.
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I think Iran is the one we need to worry about regarding Trump. He has been quite clear how he will react
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Robberto Garnacho (U22716)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 3 hours, 14 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 6 minutes ago
What will last night change, in my view,
Trump will not have won any new voters because he didn't say anything new, or for the most part, that was true. He came across much as we have seen of late, a rambling buffoon with no policies that any rational person would vote for.
Some Dems will start to panic for sure but come crunch time they will still vote for Biden as they know how bad for the country the alternative is.
The crux will be by how much the needle moves with Independent voters. We won't see that until next week's polls come out.
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VC, what do you make of young left-leaning voters? Is fear/hatred of Trump still a strong enough motivator for them to turn up vs the unpopularity of Biden's backing of Israel?
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Your obsession with Biden and Israel is bizarre. A majority of people won't even give Israel a moments thought ffs. Whoever wins is not going to go against Israel.
The biggest change globally if Trump wins is that we will be as close as we have been for years and years to a major conflict kicking off that affects the whole world.
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I think the opposite. If Trump gets in then the Ukraine conflict will end fairly quickly and sadly for them most of Ukraine swallowed up and the rest given back to Zelensky in some kind of peace deal that favours the Russians.
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And regarding Ukraine, yeah, I think that is the inevitable outcome, regardless of what happens in the US.
posted on 28/6/24
It really doesn’t matter what Trump says. It’s the way he says things.
Laugh at him all your want but he is far more coherent and miles fitter than Biden, both physically and mentally.
90% of Americans are idiots and only care how people present themselves, not the messages they deliver. The wild thing is that the debate was the Dems idea, and the whole thing was set up for Trump to fail, and still, somehow, the senile blithering idiot Biden managed to get owned by him.
If you lose a debate to Trump then you are a facking dimwit and not fit to run a country, never mind the most powerful country in the world.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 15 minutes ago
It really doesn’t matter what Trump says. It’s the way he says things.
Laugh at him all your want but he is far more coherent and miles fitter than Biden, both physically and mentally.
90% of Americans are idiots and only care how people present themselves, not the messages they deliver. The wild thing is that the debate was the Dems idea, and the whole thing was set up for Trump to fail, and still, somehow, the senile blithering idiot Biden managed to get owned by him.
If you lose a debate to Trump then you are a facking dimwit and not fit to run a country, never mind the most powerful country in the world.
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pretty daft comment in so many ways.
For a start Biden isn't a dimwit because he lost a debate to trump. He is 82 ffs, many of us here will be dead by then, he is just old.
Secondly, there are no more idiots in the US than there are in the UK. It is such a daft thing to say.
posted on 28/6/24
comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 45 minutes ago
It really doesn’t matter what Trump says. It’s the way he says things.
Laugh at him all your want but he is far more coherent and miles fitter than Biden, both physically and mentally.
90% of Americans are idiots and only care how people present themselves, not the messages they deliver. The wild thing is that the debate was the Dems idea, and the whole thing was set up for Trump to fail, and still, somehow, the senile blithering idiot Biden managed to get owned by him.
If you lose a debate to Trump then you are a facking dimwit and not fit to run a country, never mind the most powerful country in the world.
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He didn't lose the debate, he answered well and Trump told loads of lies. The perception will be he lost it due to his mumbling and losing his train of thought because of course that's more important to most people. Most people are stupid.
posted on 28/6/24
He didn't lose the debate, he answered well and Trump told loads of lies. The perception will be he lost it due to his mumbling and losing his train of thought because of course that's more important to most people. Most people are stupid.
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