comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Really don’t see how Zirkzee and Holland play in the same side btw, unless EtH suddenly changes his entire philosophy, which he won’t.
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He could be an option to play on the left at times.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Really don’t see how Zirkzee and Holland play in the same side btw, unless EtH suddenly changes his entire philosophy, which he won’t.
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He could be an option to play on the left at times.
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Uuurgh that stinks of the kind of thing Rodger’s would do
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 14 hours, 13 minutes ago
Weghorst plays over him for Holland ffs. The guy is nowhere near good enough at all.
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If there was ever any lingering doubt whether Culer is a complete know nothing, this surely seals it.
It's the kind of comment you hear a lot during the Euros/World Cup... Where the uninitiated start to chime in on all things football.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Really don’t see how Zirkzee and Holland play in the same side btw, unless EtH suddenly changes his entire philosophy, which he won’t.
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He could be an option to play on the left at times.
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Uuurgh that stinks of the kind of thing Rodger’s would do
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I wouldn’t mind seeing it at times based on what kind of player he seems to be.
We don’t have any creative players on the wings, he looks much more likely to provide chances for Hojlund when playing from the left than Rashford.
Obviously this is based on the profile of the player. If he isn’t capable of playing at the level needed it’s a different matter.
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 14 hours, 13 minutes ago
Weghorst plays over him for Holland ffs. The guy is nowhere near good enough at all.
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If there was ever any lingering doubt whether Culer is a complete know nothing, this surely seals it.
It's the kind of comment you hear a lot during the Euros/World Cup... Where the uninitiated start to chime in on all things football.
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Although I don't ever agree with culer on pretty much anything, I'm genuinely curious as why to Weghorst was first pick over Zirkzee as I honestly don't know myself.
Weghorst is the goat super sub for the Dutch.
Yep, he's the plan B that has worked time and again for the dutch.
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I’d hazard a guess that those being negative haven’t seen him play even 600 minutes of football fwiw
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I'd hazard a guess that those being positive haven't really seen him either. The only thing you can go on is the data you have in front of you.
1. He scored 13 league goals in 53 appearances for Bologna
2. He can't get in to a pretty average dutch side
3. He plays in a position you already have strength in
Maybe Ten Hag knows something everyone else doesn't but to me it doesn't look great, and I'm not even a United fan. It's a concern that you're close to bringing in Zirkzee and De Ligt because it proves Ten Hag still has autonomy on the transfer front. I'm sure that's because the recent new recruits haven't had a chance to get their feet under the table yet but if it were me in charge and we hadn't had a chance to sort the recruitment side out properly, I'd at least be focusing on current PL players as signings. It's risk free. Can ETH really be trusted with the club purse after his record with players he previously worked with?
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I’d hazard a guess that those being negative haven’t seen him play even 600 minutes of football fwiw
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I'd hazard a guess that those being positive haven't really seen him either. The only thing you can go on is the data you have in front of you.
1. He scored 13 league goals in 53 appearances for Bologna
2. He can't get in to a pretty average dutch side
3. He plays in a position you already have strength in
Maybe Ten Hag knows something everyone else doesn't but to me it doesn't look great, and I'm not even a United fan. It's a concern that you're close to bringing in Zirkzee and De Ligt because it proves Ten Hag still has autonomy on the transfer front. I'm sure that's because the recent new recruits haven't had a chance to get their feet under the table yet but if it were me in charge and we hadn't had a chance to sort the recruitment side out properly, I'd at least be focusing on current PL players as signings. It's risk free. Can ETH really be trusted with the club purse after his record with players he previously worked with?
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On points 2 and 3.
Internationally managers more than any others slow to change and go with experience.
He’s behind Memphis and Weghorst for the Dutch. I’d bet that no big club has has any interest in either.
We don’t already have strength in that position. We have 1 player who’s 21.
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
The bald fraud sure is obsessed with signing below average dutch players
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Tbf I’d say he’s on par for a Dutch player.
He’s 23, 6 ft 4 and has a bit of pace. Could well be a very good back up striker, or even more if he kicks on, but either way he strengthens the squad.
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But is it going to address the fact that United struggle to score. 57 goals this season, 58 last. ETH is firing blanks a bit
If a top scorer was not their priority this summer, i find this half way house an odd choice. 40m euros is not a small sum.
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And only 58 the season before those two with Ronaldo up front scoring 18 PL goals.
The issue we have is that we don’t score enough collectively. We absolutely need another CF just to take some of the burden off of Rasmus, and ideally one that offers different qualities to him. Zirkzee looks superior at brining others into the game compared to Rasmus so whilst he might not be prolific himself, he may help knit attacks together better and help improve our overall goal threat.
The goal scoring issue however is lack of goals across the team. We need our wide attackers & support cast to contribute more than they did last season. Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Amad, Sancho, Martial & Mount scored 18 PL goals between last season. That’s an average of 2.5 goals per player in the PL… A shambles really.
Rashford, Mount & Garnacho I’d hope to see improve their returns through better form (Rash), better fitness (Mount) and another year of development (Garnacho).
Amad looked like he could offer more than Antony and Sancho towards the very end of the season but I’d still hope to see more from Antony despite him not really looking good enough.
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Yes a team needs to score collectively but the guy leading the line and being paid to score needs to do this more than anyone, especially where you do not have free scoring wide attackers. Its not like you have Salah and Mane banging in 20 goals either side of the no.9, and i don't think yours are capable of that.
I always felt that getting in Rasmus at such a time and making him your no.9 was too much too early and it kinda played out that way. He needs support and if this were my team i'd be wanting that support to be experienced and a bit more predictable. Someone who is not going to block the development of Rasmus, but someone who he can learn from and be supported by and who can take some of the burden of scoring.
For me the jury is still out on Rasmus, he may or may not crack on this season, but Zirkzee is not the sort of experienced pro who is going to take the pressure off him, he will have his own pressure to settle in and score goals and that isnt easy when transferring to this league.
If Rasmus is the future, i would have considered a temporary move for someone may have been preferential, a bit like Spurs have done with Werner. I know it failed with Weghorst but that was just an odd (and another Dutch) choice. Failing that a more cheeky approach for someone like Calvert-Lewin
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
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comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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23 isnt that young anymore. Halaand is 23! Saka, Doku, Palmer 22, Isak, Alvarez 24. Kane had 29 PL goals in 30 games aged 23, Lukaku 25 PL goals for EFC aged 23.
These players really made a mark at that age.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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Formino is a running joke on 606. He harms your argument rather than helping it.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
The bald fraud sure is obsessed with signing below average dutch players
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Tbf I’d say he’s on par for a Dutch player.
He’s 23, 6 ft 4 and has a bit of pace. Could well be a very good back up striker, or even more if he kicks on, but either way he strengthens the squad.
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But is it going to address the fact that United struggle to score. 57 goals this season, 58 last. ETH is firing blanks a bit
If a top scorer was not their priority this summer, i find this half way house an odd choice. 40m euros is not a small sum.
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And only 58 the season before those two with Ronaldo up front scoring 18 PL goals.
The issue we have is that we don’t score enough collectively. We absolutely need another CF just to take some of the burden off of Rasmus, and ideally one that offers different qualities to him. Zirkzee looks superior at brining others into the game compared to Rasmus so whilst he might not be prolific himself, he may help knit attacks together better and help improve our overall goal threat.
The goal scoring issue however is lack of goals across the team. We need our wide attackers & support cast to contribute more than they did last season. Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Amad, Sancho, Martial & Mount scored 18 PL goals between last season. That’s an average of 2.5 goals per player in the PL… A shambles really.
Rashford, Mount & Garnacho I’d hope to see improve their returns through better form (Rash), better fitness (Mount) and another year of development (Garnacho).
Amad looked like he could offer more than Antony and Sancho towards the very end of the season but I’d still hope to see more from Antony despite him not really looking good enough.
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Yes a team needs to score collectively but the guy leading the line and being paid to score needs to do this more than anyone, especially where you do not have free scoring wide attackers. Its not like you have Salah and Mane banging in 20 goals either side of the no.9, and i don't think yours are capable of that.
I always felt that getting in Rasmus at such a time and making him your no.9 was too much too early and it kinda played out that way. He needs support and if this were my team i'd be wanting that support to be experienced and a bit more predictable. Someone who is not going to block the development of Rasmus, but someone who he can learn from and be supported by and who can take some of the burden of scoring.
For me the jury is still out on Rasmus, he may or may not crack on this season, but Zirkzee is not the sort of experienced pro who is going to take the pressure off him, he will have his own pressure to settle in and score goals and that isnt easy when transferring to this league.
If Rasmus is the future, i would have considered a temporary move for someone may have been preferential, a bit like Spurs have done with Werner. I know it failed with Weghorst but that was just an odd (and another Dutch) choice. Failing that a more cheeky approach for someone like Calvert-Lewin
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The likes of Werner and DCL simply aren’t good enough though. Zirkzee might be, I don’t know.
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 14 minutes ago
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
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Couldn't disagree with this more if I tried.
Our new transfer team hasn't been in place long enough to have had a serious impact on this summer's window.
Ashworth only just been given clearance and Wilcox hasn't been in the door very long at all.
I think anyone who thinks Zirkzee isn't a ETH target is rather naive to say the least. He's Dutch and come from Bayern reserves. The exact same path as ETH. 😂
And De Ligt is obviously an ETH target. He was his bleeding former coach for crying out loud and ironically also played at Bayern albeit in the first team.
These aren't INEOS targets in my opinion. This summer has come too quickly for that.
comment by 115 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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Formino is a running joke on 606. He harms your argument rather than helping it.
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What?
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 115 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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Formino is a running joke on 606. He harms your argument rather than helping it.
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What?
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I was thinking the same.
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I’d hazard a guess that those being negative haven’t seen him play even 600 minutes of football fwiw
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I'd hazard a guess that those being positive haven't really seen him either. The only thing you can go on is the data you have in front of you.
1. He scored 13 league goals in 53 appearances for Bologna
2. He can't get in to a pretty average dutch side
3. He plays in a position you already have strength in
Maybe Ten Hag knows something everyone else doesn't but to me it doesn't look great, and I'm not even a United fan. It's a concern that you're close to bringing in Zirkzee and De Ligt because it proves Ten Hag still has autonomy on the transfer front. I'm sure that's because the recent new recruits haven't had a chance to get their feet under the table yet but if it were me in charge and we hadn't had a chance to sort the recruitment side out properly, I'd at least be focusing on current PL players as signings. It's risk free. Can ETH really be trusted with the club purse after his record with players he previously worked with?
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On points 2 and 3.
Internationally managers more than any others slow to change and go with experience.
He’s behind Memphis and Weghorst for the Dutch. I’d bet that no big club has has any interest in either.
We don’t already have strength in that position. We have 1 player who’s 21.
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What about Rashford? Don't tell me he's a number 9. We all know he's a left sided forward. Whether he was out of form last year or not, there's no denying that Zirkzee will be challenging Garnacho AND Rashford for a start. It's great to have strength in depth but not when you're so light in other areas.
United have little to no strength at CF??
I’m not sure DCL would even be a Prem footballer if he couldn’t jump really high in the air.
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 14 minutes ago
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
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Couldn't disagree with this more if I tried.
Our new transfer team hasn't been in place long enough to have had a serious impact on this summer's window.
Ashworth only just been given clearance and Wilcox hasn't been in the door very long at all.
I think anyone who thinks Zirkzee isn't a ETH target is rather naive to say the least. He's Dutch and come from Bayern reserves. The exact same path as ETH. 😂
And De Ligt is obviously an ETH target. He was his bleeding former coach for crying out loud and ironically also played at Bayern albeit in the first team.
These aren't INEOS targets in my opinion. This summer has come too quickly for that.
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Which is exactly what I meant. Everyone seems to think this is the start of a new, revolutionary, data-driven approach to recruitment. It's not... yet. It's the same old manager taking punts on players he already knows. Martinez is the only player that looks decent from that crop.
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posted on 12/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Really don’t see how Zirkzee and Holland play in the same side btw, unless EtH suddenly changes his entire philosophy, which he won’t.
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He could be an option to play on the left at times.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Really don’t see how Zirkzee and Holland play in the same side btw, unless EtH suddenly changes his entire philosophy, which he won’t.
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He could be an option to play on the left at times.
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Uuurgh that stinks of the kind of thing Rodger’s would do
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 14 hours, 13 minutes ago
Weghorst plays over him for Holland ffs. The guy is nowhere near good enough at all.
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If there was ever any lingering doubt whether Culer is a complete know nothing, this surely seals it.
It's the kind of comment you hear a lot during the Euros/World Cup... Where the uninitiated start to chime in on all things football.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 5 minutes ago
Really don’t see how Zirkzee and Holland play in the same side btw, unless EtH suddenly changes his entire philosophy, which he won’t.
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He could be an option to play on the left at times.
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Uuurgh that stinks of the kind of thing Rodger’s would do
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I wouldn’t mind seeing it at times based on what kind of player he seems to be.
We don’t have any creative players on the wings, he looks much more likely to provide chances for Hojlund when playing from the left than Rashford.
Obviously this is based on the profile of the player. If he isn’t capable of playing at the level needed it’s a different matter.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Ji Sung Park's Cousin (U2958)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Mr Boggart Hole (U9489)
posted 14 hours, 13 minutes ago
Weghorst plays over him for Holland ffs. The guy is nowhere near good enough at all.
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If there was ever any lingering doubt whether Culer is a complete know nothing, this surely seals it.
It's the kind of comment you hear a lot during the Euros/World Cup... Where the uninitiated start to chime in on all things football.
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Although I don't ever agree with culer on pretty much anything, I'm genuinely curious as why to Weghorst was first pick over Zirkzee as I honestly don't know myself.
posted on 12/7/24
Weghorst is the goat super sub for the Dutch.
posted on 12/7/24
Yep, he's the plan B that has worked time and again for the dutch.
posted on 12/7/24
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I’d hazard a guess that those being negative haven’t seen him play even 600 minutes of football fwiw
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I'd hazard a guess that those being positive haven't really seen him either. The only thing you can go on is the data you have in front of you.
1. He scored 13 league goals in 53 appearances for Bologna
2. He can't get in to a pretty average dutch side
3. He plays in a position you already have strength in
Maybe Ten Hag knows something everyone else doesn't but to me it doesn't look great, and I'm not even a United fan. It's a concern that you're close to bringing in Zirkzee and De Ligt because it proves Ten Hag still has autonomy on the transfer front. I'm sure that's because the recent new recruits haven't had a chance to get their feet under the table yet but if it were me in charge and we hadn't had a chance to sort the recruitment side out properly, I'd at least be focusing on current PL players as signings. It's risk free. Can ETH really be trusted with the club purse after his record with players he previously worked with?
posted on 12/7/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I’d hazard a guess that those being negative haven’t seen him play even 600 minutes of football fwiw
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I'd hazard a guess that those being positive haven't really seen him either. The only thing you can go on is the data you have in front of you.
1. He scored 13 league goals in 53 appearances for Bologna
2. He can't get in to a pretty average dutch side
3. He plays in a position you already have strength in
Maybe Ten Hag knows something everyone else doesn't but to me it doesn't look great, and I'm not even a United fan. It's a concern that you're close to bringing in Zirkzee and De Ligt because it proves Ten Hag still has autonomy on the transfer front. I'm sure that's because the recent new recruits haven't had a chance to get their feet under the table yet but if it were me in charge and we hadn't had a chance to sort the recruitment side out properly, I'd at least be focusing on current PL players as signings. It's risk free. Can ETH really be trusted with the club purse after his record with players he previously worked with?
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On points 2 and 3.
Internationally managers more than any others slow to change and go with experience.
He’s behind Memphis and Weghorst for the Dutch. I’d bet that no big club has has any interest in either.
We don’t already have strength in that position. We have 1 player who’s 21.
posted on 12/7/24
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
The bald fraud sure is obsessed with signing below average dutch players
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Tbf I’d say he’s on par for a Dutch player.
He’s 23, 6 ft 4 and has a bit of pace. Could well be a very good back up striker, or even more if he kicks on, but either way he strengthens the squad.
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But is it going to address the fact that United struggle to score. 57 goals this season, 58 last. ETH is firing blanks a bit
If a top scorer was not their priority this summer, i find this half way house an odd choice. 40m euros is not a small sum.
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And only 58 the season before those two with Ronaldo up front scoring 18 PL goals.
The issue we have is that we don’t score enough collectively. We absolutely need another CF just to take some of the burden off of Rasmus, and ideally one that offers different qualities to him. Zirkzee looks superior at brining others into the game compared to Rasmus so whilst he might not be prolific himself, he may help knit attacks together better and help improve our overall goal threat.
The goal scoring issue however is lack of goals across the team. We need our wide attackers & support cast to contribute more than they did last season. Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Amad, Sancho, Martial & Mount scored 18 PL goals between last season. That’s an average of 2.5 goals per player in the PL… A shambles really.
Rashford, Mount & Garnacho I’d hope to see improve their returns through better form (Rash), better fitness (Mount) and another year of development (Garnacho).
Amad looked like he could offer more than Antony and Sancho towards the very end of the season but I’d still hope to see more from Antony despite him not really looking good enough.
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Yes a team needs to score collectively but the guy leading the line and being paid to score needs to do this more than anyone, especially where you do not have free scoring wide attackers. Its not like you have Salah and Mane banging in 20 goals either side of the no.9, and i don't think yours are capable of that.
I always felt that getting in Rasmus at such a time and making him your no.9 was too much too early and it kinda played out that way. He needs support and if this were my team i'd be wanting that support to be experienced and a bit more predictable. Someone who is not going to block the development of Rasmus, but someone who he can learn from and be supported by and who can take some of the burden of scoring.
For me the jury is still out on Rasmus, he may or may not crack on this season, but Zirkzee is not the sort of experienced pro who is going to take the pressure off him, he will have his own pressure to settle in and score goals and that isnt easy when transferring to this league.
If Rasmus is the future, i would have considered a temporary move for someone may have been preferential, a bit like Spurs have done with Werner. I know it failed with Weghorst but that was just an odd (and another Dutch) choice. Failing that a more cheeky approach for someone like Calvert-Lewin
posted on 12/7/24
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 8 minutes ago
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
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posted on 12/7/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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23 isnt that young anymore. Halaand is 23! Saka, Doku, Palmer 22, Isak, Alvarez 24. Kane had 29 PL goals in 30 games aged 23, Lukaku 25 PL goals for EFC aged 23.
These players really made a mark at that age.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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Formino is a running joke on 606. He harms your argument rather than helping it.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 40 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 21 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules... (U6374)
posted 28 minutes ago
comment by comic book guy (U17816)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
The bald fraud sure is obsessed with signing below average dutch players
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Tbf I’d say he’s on par for a Dutch player.
He’s 23, 6 ft 4 and has a bit of pace. Could well be a very good back up striker, or even more if he kicks on, but either way he strengthens the squad.
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But is it going to address the fact that United struggle to score. 57 goals this season, 58 last. ETH is firing blanks a bit
If a top scorer was not their priority this summer, i find this half way house an odd choice. 40m euros is not a small sum.
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And only 58 the season before those two with Ronaldo up front scoring 18 PL goals.
The issue we have is that we don’t score enough collectively. We absolutely need another CF just to take some of the burden off of Rasmus, and ideally one that offers different qualities to him. Zirkzee looks superior at brining others into the game compared to Rasmus so whilst he might not be prolific himself, he may help knit attacks together better and help improve our overall goal threat.
The goal scoring issue however is lack of goals across the team. We need our wide attackers & support cast to contribute more than they did last season. Rashford, Garnacho, Antony, Amad, Sancho, Martial & Mount scored 18 PL goals between last season. That’s an average of 2.5 goals per player in the PL… A shambles really.
Rashford, Mount & Garnacho I’d hope to see improve their returns through better form (Rash), better fitness (Mount) and another year of development (Garnacho).
Amad looked like he could offer more than Antony and Sancho towards the very end of the season but I’d still hope to see more from Antony despite him not really looking good enough.
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Yes a team needs to score collectively but the guy leading the line and being paid to score needs to do this more than anyone, especially where you do not have free scoring wide attackers. Its not like you have Salah and Mane banging in 20 goals either side of the no.9, and i don't think yours are capable of that.
I always felt that getting in Rasmus at such a time and making him your no.9 was too much too early and it kinda played out that way. He needs support and if this were my team i'd be wanting that support to be experienced and a bit more predictable. Someone who is not going to block the development of Rasmus, but someone who he can learn from and be supported by and who can take some of the burden of scoring.
For me the jury is still out on Rasmus, he may or may not crack on this season, but Zirkzee is not the sort of experienced pro who is going to take the pressure off him, he will have his own pressure to settle in and score goals and that isnt easy when transferring to this league.
If Rasmus is the future, i would have considered a temporary move for someone may have been preferential, a bit like Spurs have done with Werner. I know it failed with Weghorst but that was just an odd (and another Dutch) choice. Failing that a more cheeky approach for someone like Calvert-Lewin
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The likes of Werner and DCL simply aren’t good enough though. Zirkzee might be, I don’t know.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 14 minutes ago
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
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Couldn't disagree with this more if I tried.
Our new transfer team hasn't been in place long enough to have had a serious impact on this summer's window.
Ashworth only just been given clearance and Wilcox hasn't been in the door very long at all.
I think anyone who thinks Zirkzee isn't a ETH target is rather naive to say the least. He's Dutch and come from Bayern reserves. The exact same path as ETH. 😂
And De Ligt is obviously an ETH target. He was his bleeding former coach for crying out loud and ironically also played at Bayern albeit in the first team.
These aren't INEOS targets in my opinion. This summer has come too quickly for that.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by 115 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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Formino is a running joke on 606. He harms your argument rather than helping it.
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What?
posted on 12/7/24
Werner and DCL.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by 115 reasons why ours is better (U22832)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 22 minutes ago
His goal record is more worrying than the Weghorst thing. Sometimes managers have their favourites so that can be explained.
He has a roughly 1 in 4 goal ratio as a striker and that's not even in the PL where it's tougher.
I will give him a chance as I do with any new player though. I hope he smashes it for us and makes his transfer process look cheap.
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Firmino was much better than 1 in 4 but he made others around him better. We've have reasonably prolific goalscorers in recent times (Zlatan, Lukaku, Ronaldo) and it's debatable if any of those benefitted the players around him.
His 2 min cameo the other night was my 1st time seeing Zirkzee play so I don't know but I wouldn't dismiss him over an average strike rate at a young age.
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Formino is a running joke on 606. He harms your argument rather than helping it.
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What?
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I was thinking the same.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
I’d hazard a guess that those being negative haven’t seen him play even 600 minutes of football fwiw
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I'd hazard a guess that those being positive haven't really seen him either. The only thing you can go on is the data you have in front of you.
1. He scored 13 league goals in 53 appearances for Bologna
2. He can't get in to a pretty average dutch side
3. He plays in a position you already have strength in
Maybe Ten Hag knows something everyone else doesn't but to me it doesn't look great, and I'm not even a United fan. It's a concern that you're close to bringing in Zirkzee and De Ligt because it proves Ten Hag still has autonomy on the transfer front. I'm sure that's because the recent new recruits haven't had a chance to get their feet under the table yet but if it were me in charge and we hadn't had a chance to sort the recruitment side out properly, I'd at least be focusing on current PL players as signings. It's risk free. Can ETH really be trusted with the club purse after his record with players he previously worked with?
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On points 2 and 3.
Internationally managers more than any others slow to change and go with experience.
He’s behind Memphis and Weghorst for the Dutch. I’d bet that no big club has has any interest in either.
We don’t already have strength in that position. We have 1 player who’s 21.
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What about Rashford? Don't tell me he's a number 9. We all know he's a left sided forward. Whether he was out of form last year or not, there's no denying that Zirkzee will be challenging Garnacho AND Rashford for a start. It's great to have strength in depth but not when you're so light in other areas.
posted on 12/7/24
United have little to no strength at CF??
posted on 12/7/24
I’m not sure DCL would even be a Prem footballer if he couldn’t jump really high in the air.
posted on 12/7/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by FFS Mike. (U1170)
posted 14 minutes ago
I don’t think De Ligt and Zirkzee are ‘Ten Hag’ signings tbf, I’m sure he’s had an opinion on them and probably backed them but there is no way imo our new owners and staff higher in the football structure would start their tenure by reviewing whether to keep the manager or not, making him change his whole coaching staff and set up as part of keeping him, then giving him complete free reign to pick signings and blindly giving him the money to do so.
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Couldn't disagree with this more if I tried.
Our new transfer team hasn't been in place long enough to have had a serious impact on this summer's window.
Ashworth only just been given clearance and Wilcox hasn't been in the door very long at all.
I think anyone who thinks Zirkzee isn't a ETH target is rather naive to say the least. He's Dutch and come from Bayern reserves. The exact same path as ETH. 😂
And De Ligt is obviously an ETH target. He was his bleeding former coach for crying out loud and ironically also played at Bayern albeit in the first team.
These aren't INEOS targets in my opinion. This summer has come too quickly for that.
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Which is exactly what I meant. Everyone seems to think this is the start of a new, revolutionary, data-driven approach to recruitment. It's not... yet. It's the same old manager taking punts on players he already knows. Martinez is the only player that looks decent from that crop.
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