comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 3 minutes ago
Immediately after the game the likes of Lineker etc were saying they think Southgate will walk away this time. Wasn’t this the general consensus after the last WC? Then Southgate pretended he was considering his future for a short time, before predictably signing up again to the best paid cushy number in football. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the same from him again. He’d be mad to walk away, surely, given it’s the best job he’s ever getting in football? All for it personally.
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Not sure it’s that cushy. The level of pressure and expectation from this country and the entitled media is immense. The level of personal abuse is pretty horrific. The amount of stress you go through in tournament football is very intense.
I think he’ll stay because he’ll feel like he can take England one step further. The reality is he can’t. And I don’t there are many managers who could such is the insane level of expectation
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Why is it an “insane level of expectation” that Eng should have won a major trophy in the last 58 years? There are a handful of nations in with realistic chance every time, and Eng are one of them. Law of averages? In more recent times Eng undoubtedly also have the best resourced and arguably biggest depth of player pool on the planet. This time around, Southgate had to beat ONE top team to win it, but again produced a pretty slow, turgid, disjointed performance. He’s getting paid £6-7m a year to deal with pressure, expectations, and get the best out of the considerable tools at his disposal. Really don’t think it’s insane to at least expect better football from these players.
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's telling that we went behind in all 4 of the knockout games. Whatever the plan was it didn't work did it?
We managed to claw our way back against 3 average opponents. Spain was a step too far though.
I have never rated him as a coach. Think he's a nice guy and that's about it. He's never going to be a winner at club or international level. You need more than good manners and a smart suit to win at the elite level. He hasn't got it.
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It was also apparently telling when we took the lead against Italy but didn’t hold on.
It’s telling we equalised in all 4 games despite and I repeat - none of our big players turned up
comment by Radical (U8691)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
I also think a similar question could be asked of Arteta - he has got Arsenal close a couple of times now but can’t get them over the line - do you stick or go with another manager who might do it?
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Finishing 2nd to a doped super club while playing good football vs scraping through every game, then running
out of luck in the final. Quite different.
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The outcome is exactly the same. Before the last 2 years he is also managed to blow an 8 point lead to Spurs in a CL race. When the pressure is on him Arsenal will wobble.
I remain delighted that Arsenal are happy with Arteta
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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we only got this far because those players kept bailing him out with great goals
Bellingham against Slovakia, Saka vs Switzerland, Watkins vs Netherlands, Palmer vs Spain
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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we only got this far because those players kept bailing him out with great goals
Bellingham against Slovakia, Saka vs Switzerland, Watkins vs Netherlands, Palmer vs Spain
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So the great players who didn’t turn up, managed to bail him out with great moment
Righto
truth is that we got to the final and created less xG than a Croatia team that got knocked out in the group stage did. It's time to evolve and try to play more like the sides that have beaten us in these last two finals.
When Southgate came in a big point of emphasis for him was trying to emulate the styles of the successful international teams of the time - Portugal and France.
well times have changed and now we're seeing teams win tournaments in a way that looks more similar to domestic football, keeping the ball and creating chances
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 18 seconds ago
truth is that we got to the final and created less xG than a Croatia team that got knocked out in the group stage did. It's time to evolve and try to play more like the sides that have beaten us in these last two finals.
When Southgate came in a big point of emphasis for him was trying to emulate the styles of the successful international teams of the time - Portugal and France.
well times have changed and now we're seeing teams win tournaments in a way that looks more similar to domestic football, keeping the ball and creating chances
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But who can manage us to do that?
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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As per my next comment, the reason why some of them I’d mark low is due to how Southgate set them up.
Our xG from open play in every knockout game was less than our opposition. That doesn’t scream impressive, that screams fortuitous.
I think Potter is the obvious choice. People will be snarky about that but look at De La Fuente, he had far less pedigree than Potter. the important thing isn't hiring some big name serial winner. it's hiring a good modern coach who is good on the grass and can give these players some sort of basic structure in possession.
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
Heck Tuchel is probably worth a call
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Exactly. He coached the youth and U18s, U19s. He instilled a style of play which suits his players. Perfecct coach for tournament football.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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As per my next comment, the reason why some of them I’d mark low is due to how Southgate set them up.
Our xG from open play in every knockout game was less than our opposition. That doesn’t scream impressive, that screams fortuitous.
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But our plan, like the French was that our attacking players were better than the majority - Xgoals doesn’t take into account the ability of the attacker. A chance falling for a Georgian striker or falling for Mbappe are 2 different things.
It was only the Spain game where we came up against a side with as much attacking talent as we have.
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Yeah but what had Spain achieved between 2014 and 2022 - it’s fine changing when you’ve been in the doldrums for a while.
England by contrast have had their most successful tournament period ever and people want to take a chance on a guy who has won the Swedish cup
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Exactly. He coached the youth and U18s, U19s. He instilled a style of play which suits his players. Perfecct coach for tournament football.
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Who recreated Englands youth set up and then managed them to 2 finals?
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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As per my next comment, the reason why some of them I’d mark low is due to how Southgate set them up.
Our xG from open play in every knockout game was less than our opposition. That doesn’t scream impressive, that screams fortuitous.
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But our plan, like the French was that our attacking players were better than the majority - Xgoals doesn’t take into account the ability of the attacker. A chance falling for a Georgian striker or falling for Mbappe are 2 different things.
It was only the Spain game where we came up against a side with as much attacking talent as we have.
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right, so then if we want to start beating those teams with as much quality as we have then we probably need a different more holistic approach
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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No. They are his tactics. He is the manager. If the players don't turn up, the manager replaces them. He brought a 26 man squad, when it's obvious in the second or third game (at a push) before you start looking at your squad. Kane should not have been picked last night, either Bellingham or Foden should not have played, maybe even Rice should have been substituted after his woeful display last night (and in other matches).
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Exactly. He coached the youth and U18s, U19s. He instilled a style of play which suits his players. Perfecct coach for tournament football.
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Who recreated Englands youth set up and then managed them to 2 finals?
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You don't see the issue with creating a setup to produce better technical players, but still coaching them the old way?
Southgate has to go. I think he will make that decision himself anyway.
The UK media and club fans also needs to stop over rating the English players.
Was Foden really the best in the Premier League last season, not in my view. I was more impressed with Palmer at Chelsea.
Is Mainoo the savior of the Man Utd and England midfield, no he isn't anywhere near that level yet.
I don't know what to make of Kane. I can only assume he was playing with an injury that made him play at about 75%. If so that was selfish.
Is Rice the most over rated player of the lot, maybe. I used to fear Bowen more than him at West Ham.
Neither Saka or Bellingham put in consistently good performances.
I’d like a fresh approach now. I’ve tried to be behind Southgate, and it’s worked to a degree, but I feel it’s time to move on.
People do vastly overrated our squad though. It’s horribly unbalanced, and has woeful depth in key areas, but I’m hopeful the like of Mainoo, Wharton and Branthwaite can kick on.
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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They didn't turn up due to the fact he played the wrong formation, the wrong players for the formation he chose, didn't take another LB and persisted with players that were struggling. There are so many mistakes that he made.
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
I’d like a fresh approach now. I’ve tried to be behind Southgate, and it’s worked to a degree, but I feel it’s time to move on.
People do vastly overrated our squad though. It’s horribly unbalanced, and has woeful depth in key areas, but I’m hopeful the like of Mainoo, Wharton and Branthwaite can kick on.
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I think that we are a bit lacking in defence, but midfield and attack wise we are pretty strong. Southgate just didn't properly manage/use the players at his disposal this tournament.
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posted on 15/7/24
comment by 98 Problems (and promotion ain’t one) (U12353)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Dave The Jackal (U22179)
posted 3 minutes ago
Immediately after the game the likes of Lineker etc were saying they think Southgate will walk away this time. Wasn’t this the general consensus after the last WC? Then Southgate pretended he was considering his future for a short time, before predictably signing up again to the best paid cushy number in football. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the same from him again. He’d be mad to walk away, surely, given it’s the best job he’s ever getting in football? All for it personally.
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Not sure it’s that cushy. The level of pressure and expectation from this country and the entitled media is immense. The level of personal abuse is pretty horrific. The amount of stress you go through in tournament football is very intense.
I think he’ll stay because he’ll feel like he can take England one step further. The reality is he can’t. And I don’t there are many managers who could such is the insane level of expectation
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Why is it an “insane level of expectation” that Eng should have won a major trophy in the last 58 years? There are a handful of nations in with realistic chance every time, and Eng are one of them. Law of averages? In more recent times Eng undoubtedly also have the best resourced and arguably biggest depth of player pool on the planet. This time around, Southgate had to beat ONE top team to win it, but again produced a pretty slow, turgid, disjointed performance. He’s getting paid £6-7m a year to deal with pressure, expectations, and get the best out of the considerable tools at his disposal. Really don’t think it’s insane to at least expect better football from these players.
posted on 15/7/24
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
posted on 15/7/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 10 minutes ago
It's telling that we went behind in all 4 of the knockout games. Whatever the plan was it didn't work did it?
We managed to claw our way back against 3 average opponents. Spain was a step too far though.
I have never rated him as a coach. Think he's a nice guy and that's about it. He's never going to be a winner at club or international level. You need more than good manners and a smart suit to win at the elite level. He hasn't got it.
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It was also apparently telling when we took the lead against Italy but didn’t hold on.
It’s telling we equalised in all 4 games despite and I repeat - none of our big players turned up
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Radical (U8691)
posted 1 hour, 41 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 4 minutes ago
I also think a similar question could be asked of Arteta - he has got Arsenal close a couple of times now but can’t get them over the line - do you stick or go with another manager who might do it?
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Finishing 2nd to a doped super club while playing good football vs scraping through every game, then running
out of luck in the final. Quite different.
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The outcome is exactly the same. Before the last 2 years he is also managed to blow an 8 point lead to Spurs in a CL race. When the pressure is on him Arsenal will wobble.
I remain delighted that Arsenal are happy with Arteta
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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we only got this far because those players kept bailing him out with great goals
Bellingham against Slovakia, Saka vs Switzerland, Watkins vs Netherlands, Palmer vs Spain
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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we only got this far because those players kept bailing him out with great goals
Bellingham against Slovakia, Saka vs Switzerland, Watkins vs Netherlands, Palmer vs Spain
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So the great players who didn’t turn up, managed to bail him out with great moment
Righto
posted on 15/7/24
truth is that we got to the final and created less xG than a Croatia team that got knocked out in the group stage did. It's time to evolve and try to play more like the sides that have beaten us in these last two finals.
When Southgate came in a big point of emphasis for him was trying to emulate the styles of the successful international teams of the time - Portugal and France.
well times have changed and now we're seeing teams win tournaments in a way that looks more similar to domestic football, keeping the ball and creating chances
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 18 seconds ago
truth is that we got to the final and created less xG than a Croatia team that got knocked out in the group stage did. It's time to evolve and try to play more like the sides that have beaten us in these last two finals.
When Southgate came in a big point of emphasis for him was trying to emulate the styles of the successful international teams of the time - Portugal and France.
well times have changed and now we're seeing teams win tournaments in a way that looks more similar to domestic football, keeping the ball and creating chances
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But who can manage us to do that?
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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As per my next comment, the reason why some of them I’d mark low is due to how Southgate set them up.
Our xG from open play in every knockout game was less than our opposition. That doesn’t scream impressive, that screams fortuitous.
posted on 15/7/24
I think Potter is the obvious choice. People will be snarky about that but look at De La Fuente, he had far less pedigree than Potter. the important thing isn't hiring some big name serial winner. it's hiring a good modern coach who is good on the grass and can give these players some sort of basic structure in possession.
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
posted on 15/7/24
Heck Tuchel is probably worth a call
posted on 15/7/24
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Exactly. He coached the youth and U18s, U19s. He instilled a style of play which suits his players. Perfecct coach for tournament football.
posted on 15/7/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
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So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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As per my next comment, the reason why some of them I’d mark low is due to how Southgate set them up.
Our xG from open play in every knockout game was less than our opposition. That doesn’t scream impressive, that screams fortuitous.
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But our plan, like the French was that our attacking players were better than the majority - Xgoals doesn’t take into account the ability of the attacker. A chance falling for a Georgian striker or falling for Mbappe are 2 different things.
It was only the Spain game where we came up against a side with as much attacking talent as we have.
posted on 15/7/24
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
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So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Yeah but what had Spain achieved between 2014 and 2022 - it’s fine changing when you’ve been in the doldrums for a while.
England by contrast have had their most successful tournament period ever and people want to take a chance on a guy who has won the Swedish cup
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Exactly. He coached the youth and U18s, U19s. He instilled a style of play which suits his players. Perfecct coach for tournament football.
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Who recreated Englands youth set up and then managed them to 2 finals?
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 13 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
As per my next comment, the reason why some of them I’d mark low is due to how Southgate set them up.
Our xG from open play in every knockout game was less than our opposition. That doesn’t scream impressive, that screams fortuitous.
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But our plan, like the French was that our attacking players were better than the majority - Xgoals doesn’t take into account the ability of the attacker. A chance falling for a Georgian striker or falling for Mbappe are 2 different things.
It was only the Spain game where we came up against a side with as much attacking talent as we have.
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right, so then if we want to start beating those teams with as much quality as we have then we probably need a different more holistic approach
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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No. They are his tactics. He is the manager. If the players don't turn up, the manager replaces them. He brought a 26 man squad, when it's obvious in the second or third game (at a push) before you start looking at your squad. Kane should not have been picked last night, either Bellingham or Foden should not have played, maybe even Rice should have been substituted after his woeful display last night (and in other matches).
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by N2 (U22280)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Eric_Draven (U20260)
posted 7 minutes ago
I always say horses for courses. He was the right man 8 years ago, got us back into the big leagues and challenging again. But I'm afraid he is now that lame, knackered pony in a field of thoroughbreds and it is there for all to see.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So who comes in and does better?
Klopp would be lovely (even though he is a massive twaaaat) but why would he want the job?
Poch - couldn’t win the French league one year with a PSG side that had Mbappe, Neymar and Messi up top.
Howe - won faaack all
Wizard - won a Swedish cup and made me laugh at Chelsea
There’s no one who is an improvement
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Anyone who coaches modern football is an improvement. What has the Spanish manager won before yesterday exactly?
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Exactly. He coached the youth and U18s, U19s. He instilled a style of play which suits his players. Perfecct coach for tournament football.
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Who recreated Englands youth set up and then managed them to 2 finals?
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You don't see the issue with creating a setup to produce better technical players, but still coaching them the old way?
posted on 15/7/24
Southgate has to go. I think he will make that decision himself anyway.
The UK media and club fans also needs to stop over rating the English players.
Was Foden really the best in the Premier League last season, not in my view. I was more impressed with Palmer at Chelsea.
Is Mainoo the savior of the Man Utd and England midfield, no he isn't anywhere near that level yet.
I don't know what to make of Kane. I can only assume he was playing with an injury that made him play at about 75%. If so that was selfish.
Is Rice the most over rated player of the lot, maybe. I used to fear Bowen more than him at West Ham.
Neither Saka or Bellingham put in consistently good performances.
posted on 15/7/24
I’d like a fresh approach now. I’ve tried to be behind Southgate, and it’s worked to a degree, but I feel it’s time to move on.
People do vastly overrated our squad though. It’s horribly unbalanced, and has woeful depth in key areas, but I’m hopeful the like of Mainoo, Wharton and Branthwaite can kick on.
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 55 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 34 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 26 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - confident for Southgate’s nearly slaaaags (U18109)
posted 39 minutes ago
comment by Tyranny of the majority (SE85) (U21241)
posted 3 minutes ago
A 16 year old for Spain had a much better tournament than Saka. Our players are massively overrated.
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That 16 year old outshone just about everyone. 1 phenom does not negate the ability of every other player on the continent you whopper
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Score Kane, Foden Bellingham Saka and Rice out of 10 for the tournament.
If you give any of them above a 6 you're delusional.
Kane and Foden would be as low as a 3/4 for me. Rice probably 5. Saka and Bellingham a generous 6.
None of our so called stars showed up.
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Id have Saka slightly higher but the rest a 3 or 4.
The biggest issue to me throughout was Bellinghams position and how he played it, said it after the first game and it remained right through to the final.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
So Southgate got England to another final despite none of his big players turning up?
That doesn’t sound impressive you guys?
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They didn't turn up due to the fact he played the wrong formation, the wrong players for the formation he chose, didn't take another LB and persisted with players that were struggling. There are so many mistakes that he made.
posted on 15/7/24
comment by Robbing Hoody - I want to play by my own rules and if I can’t I’ll sue you (U6374)
posted 8 minutes ago
I’d like a fresh approach now. I’ve tried to be behind Southgate, and it’s worked to a degree, but I feel it’s time to move on.
People do vastly overrated our squad though. It’s horribly unbalanced, and has woeful depth in key areas, but I’m hopeful the like of Mainoo, Wharton and Branthwaite can kick on.
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I think that we are a bit lacking in defence, but midfield and attack wise we are pretty strong. Southgate just didn't properly manage/use the players at his disposal this tournament.
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