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posted on 29/7/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
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He enjoys a tackle without doubt when staying on your feet to defend space would be the better option, would expend far less effort, mitigate the risk of injury too. The very best rarely feel the need to go to ground.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
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He enjoys a tackle without doubt when staying on your feet to defend space would be the better option,
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That's rubbish. AWB's success rate when he goes to ground is ridiculous. He's just an outstanding tackler. I don't think we need to caveat that aspect of his game at all.

His biggest weakness is that he can't strike a ball: crossing, passing through the line, switching play, shooting... He possess any of these qualities and it hinders our ability to get out from the back or control games from the fullback areas.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 15 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
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Yep this is true. He also seems to give players half a yard to go past him because it gives him an opportunity to make the tackle or block, where others would stay tight and not try to give them an inch. Similarly he’ll go to engage a player higher up the pitch because he can recover if they do get down the line.

I’ve never seen a defender be able to do all this. It’s an incredibly unique talent that he has for it.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl...
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lindelof
Antony
Mount
McTominay

Just some of the deadwood far worse in their respective positions than AWB who we should be looking to ship out first
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How is Mount deadwood? We’ve barely seen anything of him yet. He hasn’t played more than a handful of games in a row, and has looked our best player so far in preseason,
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I agree with Rosso, Mount has qualities, his role is not clearly defined in our team, that's not his fault. I still don't understand the signing tbf but he has heart, has work rate, has pressing qualities and if he can stay fit then could be a creative force.

As for the other so called deadwood, we can't undo the damage caused by successive transfers over many windows during one summer, we must be patient and show faith in a new structure which is impressing with the swift nature of its dealings. I admire the way they are quietly conducting business, often negotiating with more than one club / player / agent at the same time. We are also prepared to walk away from deals.
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Mount looked pretty creative in the first half against Arsenal.

I suppose people will judge him on his time at Chelsea, which is fair.

But we haven’t seen what he might be able to do at United yet. He hasn’t had a chance with his injuries.

posted on 29/7/24

Mount looked pretty creative in the first half against Arsenal.
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Didn’t watch the game but looked it up and he made two key passes. Which I suppose by Mount’s terrible standards that’s pretty creative.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl...
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 38 minutes ago
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unl...
posted 2 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Brian Gittins (U1449)
posted 18 minutes ago
Lindelof
Antony
Mount
McTominay

Just some of the deadwood far worse in their respective positions than AWB who we should be looking to ship out first
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How is Mount deadwood? We’ve barely seen anything of him yet. He hasn’t played more than a handful of games in a row, and has looked our best player so far in preseason,
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I agree with Rosso, Mount has qualities, his role is not clearly defined in our team, that's not his fault. I still don't understand the signing tbf but he has heart, has work rate, has pressing qualities and if he can stay fit then could be a creative force.

As for the other so called deadwood, we can't undo the damage caused by successive transfers over many windows during one summer, we must be patient and show faith in a new structure which is impressing with the swift nature of its dealings. I admire the way they are quietly conducting business, often negotiating with more than one club / player / agent at the same time. We are also prepared to walk away from deals.
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Mount looked pretty creative in the first half against Arsenal.

I suppose people will judge him on his time at Chelsea, which is fair.

But we haven’t seen what he might be able to do at United yet. He hasn’t had a chance with his injuries.
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Exactly what EtH said, don't judge him yet because he was injured most of last season. I stayed up to watch the full 90 minutes and he was good; busy, involved, had a decent chance to score as well. Only played 45 minutes. His biggest battle this season will be fitness, he wins that then it could be a positive campaign for him.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 10 minutes ago
Mount looked pretty creative in the first half against Arsenal.
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Didn’t watch the game but looked it up and he made two key passes. Which I suppose by Mount’s terrible standards that’s pretty creative.
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I’m beginning to think, after all this time, that you aren’t a huge fan, Dazza.

posted on 29/7/24

What gave it away, was it when I called him Mountominay?

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
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He enjoys a tackle without doubt when staying on your feet to defend space would be the better option, would expend far less effort, mitigate the risk of injury too. The very best rarely feel the need to go to ground.
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I think that's just something you once heard and took it as an absolute rule. BTW Maldini often went to ground with beautifully executed slide tackles, not from desperation but because he was confident he could nick the ball that way.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by BerbaKing11
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
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He enjoys a tackle without doubt when staying on your feet to defend space would be the better option,
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That's rubbish. AWB's success rate when he goes to ground is ridiculous. He's just an outstanding tackler. I don't think we need to caveat that aspect of his game at all.

His biggest weakness is that he can't strike a ball: crossing, passing through the line, switching play, shooting... He possess any of these qualities and it hinders our ability to get out from the back or control games from the fullback areas.
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Examples of staying on his feet and defending space would have been better option rather than going to ground.

https://youtu.be/7nV4axJEwl0?si=Rk8J03qBslZmeHP5

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 27 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 6 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
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He enjoys a tackle without doubt when staying on your feet to defend space would be the better option, would expend far less effort, mitigate the risk of injury too. The very best rarely feel the need to go to ground.
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I think that's just something you once heard and took it as an absolute rule. BTW Maldini often went to ground with beautifully executed slide tackles, not from desperation but because he was confident he could nick the ball that way.
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You are correct, heard the very best (Maldini) say it! 😁

I am not denying the merits of going to ground btw, sparingly used yes, but not being the go to technique all the time.

posted on 29/7/24

I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 13 minutes ago
What gave it away, was it when I called him Mountominay?
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posted on 29/7/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.
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Was it Churchill? Most spurious quotes are attributed to Churchill.

posted on 29/7/24

I am not denying the merits of going to ground btw, sparingly used yes, but not being the go to technique all the time

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It's not AWB's go to technique all the time. He'll do it at most a handful of times a match, and more often shepherd a player onto his weaker foot.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.
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Was it Churchill? Most spurious quotes are attributed to Churchill.
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Or Gandhi.

posted on 29/7/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.
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There are tonnes of quotes from famous people; before social media, before YT. It's extensively mentioned as a famous quote from Maldini, Maldini hasn't ever gone on record to say it was a misquote 😉😏

posted on 29/7/24

I know, there’s also tonnes of fake quotes. I remember reading about this a while ago that it wasn’t ever actually corroborated by any reliable media outlet, which is where the quote would have come from. Much like many of the fake quotes about Scholes.

posted on 29/7/24

It’s a bullshiiiiit quote anyway, even if he did say it. Defenders regularly have to make tackles without making mistakes, it’s part of their job as defenders.

posted on 29/7/24

Well until Maldini denies the quote is misattributed to him, it's his genuine quote! 😁

May have come from a footy magazine from the 90s, who knows. None of which are available via the web. May have been something James Richardson stated during his Football Italia show on CH4 back in the day that's now been immortalised as quote from the great man, may have been an interview even.

posted on 30/7/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 minutes ago
It’s a bullshiiiiit quote anyway, even if he did say it. Defenders regularly have to make tackles without making mistakes, it’s part of their job as defenders.
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🤣

Maldini is famous for averaging 0.5 tackles per game over a 20 plus year career.

Compare that to Ugarte, as an example, who averages a tackle every 20 minutes! Guy is a menace btw!

Is this genuine from AWB? Just intrigued.
“I love tackles, man. I want to come out with the most tackles from each game; that's my aim. I'm not really happy when I come out of a game without many tackles.”

- Wan-Bissaka

posted on 30/7/24

Personally I'm leaning towards Vanderson over Mazraoui as AWB's replacement if he leaves.

Not seen much of him, but thought this was pretty a convincing argument:

https://x.com/Danny_McMoomins/status/1815444601701802207

posted on 30/7/24

Is this genuine from AWB?
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Well until AWB denies the quote is misattributed to him, it's his genuine quote!

I don’t care how many tackles per game Maldini made (those won’t be accurate stats because those stats weren’t being recorded when he played), it’s still a bullshiiiiit quote when part of a defender’s job is to tackle.

posted on 30/7/24

comment by -bloodred- (U1222)
posted 1 minute ago
Personally I'm leaning towards Vanderson over Mazraoui as AWB's replacement if he leaves.

Not seen much of him, but thought this was pretty a convincing argument:

https://x.com/Danny_McMoomins/status/1815444601701802207
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I can't unsee that 🤣

I miss Anderson

posted on 30/7/24

comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
Is this genuine from AWB?
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Well until AWB denies the quote is misattributed to him, it's his genuine quote!

I don’t care how many tackles per game Maldini made (those won’t be accurate stats because those stats weren’t being recorded when he played), it’s still a bullshiiiiit quote when part of a defender’s job is to tackle.
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Well he didn't make many per game, that's the point. It's also widely acknowledged by people ITK. If you think it's BS, fair enough, many experts do not and I prefer to lean towards their expert knowledge than yours, Darren.

And that is a genuine quote from AWB!

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