Experts who can’t corroborate the quote or the stats.
You just need to watch a bloody game of football to see that tackling is an important part of a defender’s job, and that they will regularly need to make them when they’ve not made a mistake to know it’s nonsense.
And that is a genuine quote from AWB!
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Went over your head that one, didn’t it?
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 seconds ago
And that is a genuine quote from AWB!
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Went over your head that one, didn’t it?
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No, I got the lowest form of wit, for sure! 😉
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Experts who can’t corroborate the quote or the stats.
You just need to watch a bloody game of football to see that tackling is an important part of a defender’s job, and that they will regularly need to make them when they’ve not made a mistake to know it’s nonsense.
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Maybe this will help further your understanding. Enjoy, it's a good read as to why Maldini went to ground less frequently, instead relying on his reading of the game to anticipate a pass to nick the ball off an opponent.
https://scottmartinmedia.com/blogs/news/timeless-lessons-in-defending-from-paolo-maldini-2023-advent-calendar-series
AWB has 2.2 tackles per game with a ridiculously high 78% success rate.
Full stats:
Tackles 2.2 / 66th percentile
Interceptions 2.30 / 99th
Blocks 1.36 / 69th
Clearances 3.48 / 96th
In other words he doesn't always go to ground. That was a bиllshit claim.
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.
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Was it Churchill? Most spurious quotes are attributed to Churchill.
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Or Gandhi.
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Mark Twain (famously): “Hold my beer.”
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Experts who can’t corroborate the quote or the stats.
You just need to watch a bloody game of football to see that tackling is an important part of a defender’s job, and that they will regularly need to make them when they’ve not made a mistake to know it’s nonsense.
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Maybe this will help further your understanding. Enjoy, it's a good read as to why Maldini went to ground less frequently, instead relying on his reading of the game to anticipate a pass to nick the ball off an opponent.
https://scottmartinmedia.com/blogs/news/timeless-lessons-in-defending-from-paolo-maldini-2023-advent-calendar-series
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I don’t need to read it. Maybe you should try to actually engage with the point that is made, rather than trying to use somebody else’s opinion to make your argument for you. People might take you more seriously.
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.
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Was it Churchill? Most spurious quotes are attributed to Churchill.
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Or Gandhi.
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Mark Twain (famously): “Hold my beer.”
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comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
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this
nobody is saying that AWB is /hasbeen the answer to Uniteds RB position. We need an upgrade to play the type of football that TH wants United to play.
But hes been good at defending expecially tackling in his time at United. For those of us who played the game regular, you played to your strenghts and that is what you were selected for by your manager. Having the ability to make an important and clean tackle in football as a defender isnt a weakness as some are making out. Its a quality that your manager and teammates hope and expect of you.
Good luck AWB wherever you end up.
Didn’t we scout thousands of RBs and came to the conclusion that AWB was the best. It’s mental that he was a winger earlier in his career when he doesn’t seem to possess any attacking qualities.
No idea if this lad from Bayern is any better but his injury record is definitely something to be worried about.
Alonso definitely said something similar to the Maldini comment a years back. Not that I agree, tackling is an important part of defending, even if you did position yourself poorly to begin with.
I like AWB bit I do find it a bit odd that I'd back myself over a pro footballer to ping a crossfield ball to the opposite fullback!
On the "tackling means you've failed" truism, there's lots of context you need to apply.
One we've covered above, namely that if you're exceptionally good at it to the extent that you're nearly always going to win the ball, there's no harm in tackling when you don't 'have to'. Secondly, United's last season is a great example of the fact that defenders having to make desperate last-ditch tackles is often a function of system failure, not because the individual who made the tackle got his positioning or decision-making wrong. Thirdly, lots of teams like to play a tactic where one CB steps out aggressively to win the ball, while the other mops up behind; by design one of those is going to be tackling more and the other intercepting more.
Didn’t we scout thousands of RBs and came to the conclusion that AWB was the best. It’s mental that he was a winger earlier in his career when he doesn’t seem to possess any attacking qualities.
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He can overlap and get into advanced positions, and he can be reasonably effective at wriggling out of crowded spaces in that awkward style of his. It's the ball striking that's really below par. Everyone apart from me hates Dalot on this site but Dalot's passing, whether in ball progression or the attacking third, is incomparably better. I would speculate that AWB's effectiveness as a winger in youth football may have been partially down to a physical advantage.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
On the "tackling means you've failed" truism, there's lots of context you need to apply.
One we've covered above, namely that if you're exceptionally good at it to the extent that you're nearly always going to win the ball, there's no harm in tackling when you don't 'have to'. Secondly, United's last season is a great example of the fact that defenders having to make desperate last-ditch tackles is often a function of system failure, not because the individual who made the tackle got his positioning or decision-making wrong. Thirdly, lots of teams like to play a tactic where one CB steps out aggressively to win the ball, while the other mops up behind; by design one of those is going to be tackling more and the other intercepting more.
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Yeah, but what about Maldini’s uncorroborated quote?
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 second ago
I like Dalot
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As do I. Think he's a good player and will be important if we are to play from the back more often this season. I think he can only get better too.
Diafol, RBW, where are you two when I'm getting universally panned for sticking up for him?!
Actually, I've always suspected Dazza is a closet admirer of Dalot.
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Diafol, RBW, where are you two when I'm getting universally panned for sticking up for him?!
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Why do you need us when you can do so very eloquently yourself?
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
Actually, I've always suspected Dazza is a closet admirer of Dalot.
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If he wasn’t Portuguese he’d be playing in the Championship.
Dalot is a better player overall. They have different strengths but ultimately you can't have a fullback in the modern game who you can't pass the ball to.
Unless we want to remain a defensive team who just counter attacks then it's time to move on. Keeping him means giving him another contract and that would be incredibly stupid.
Just get what we can for him and move him on. City, Arsenal and Liverpool wouldn't entertain having him in their squads as he's nowhere near the technical level required.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 second ago
I like Dalot
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As do I. Think he's a good player and will be important if we are to play from the back more often this season. I think he can only get better too.
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Thirded.
If Mazraoui can stay fit that would be good because then Dalot will be a sub.
Dalot is the personification of average.
I think Dalot and AWB both seem like nice lads and seem to try (which isn't the case for some) but they're just not good enough.
If Mazraoui can stay fit that would be good because then Dalot will be a sub.
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If that's the case it just means he'll play more at LB.
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posted on 30/7/24
Experts who can’t corroborate the quote or the stats.
You just need to watch a bloody game of football to see that tackling is an important part of a defender’s job, and that they will regularly need to make them when they’ve not made a mistake to know it’s nonsense.
posted on 30/7/24
And that is a genuine quote from AWB!
———
Went over your head that one, didn’t it?
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 11 seconds ago
And that is a genuine quote from AWB!
———
Went over your head that one, didn’t it?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No, I got the lowest form of wit, for sure! 😉
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Experts who can’t corroborate the quote or the stats.
You just need to watch a bloody game of football to see that tackling is an important part of a defender’s job, and that they will regularly need to make them when they’ve not made a mistake to know it’s nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe this will help further your understanding. Enjoy, it's a good read as to why Maldini went to ground less frequently, instead relying on his reading of the game to anticipate a pass to nick the ball off an opponent.
https://scottmartinmedia.com/blogs/news/timeless-lessons-in-defending-from-paolo-maldini-2023-advent-calendar-series
posted on 30/7/24
AWB has 2.2 tackles per game with a ridiculously high 78% success rate.
Full stats:
Tackles 2.2 / 66th percentile
Interceptions 2.30 / 99th
Blocks 1.36 / 69th
Clearances 3.48 / 96th
In other words he doesn't always go to ground. That was a bиllshit claim.
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.
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Was it Churchill? Most spurious quotes are attributed to Churchill.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or Gandhi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Twain (famously): “Hold my beer.”
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 7 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 17 minutes ago
Experts who can’t corroborate the quote or the stats.
You just need to watch a bloody game of football to see that tackling is an important part of a defender’s job, and that they will regularly need to make them when they’ve not made a mistake to know it’s nonsense.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Maybe this will help further your understanding. Enjoy, it's a good read as to why Maldini went to ground less frequently, instead relying on his reading of the game to anticipate a pass to nick the ball off an opponent.
https://scottmartinmedia.com/blogs/news/timeless-lessons-in-defending-from-paolo-maldini-2023-advent-calendar-series
----------------------------------------------------------------------
I don’t need to read it. Maybe you should try to actually engage with the point that is made, rather than trying to use somebody else’s opinion to make your argument for you. People might take you more seriously.
posted on 30/7/24
comment by rosso says the time has come to unlock the unlimited Pote-ntial of the Fernçalvenoo triumvirate (U17054)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 7 hours, 53 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Darren The String Fletcher (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago
I don’t think there’s any actual evidence that Maldini even said that.
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Was it Churchill? Most spurious quotes are attributed to Churchill.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Or Gandhi.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Mark Twain (famously): “Hold my beer.”
----------------------------------------------------------------------
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 9 hours, 54 minutes ago
I wouldn't say AWB typically lunges in after making a positioning error. He tackles a lot because he's good at tackling. He tackles in positions where other players would just defend the space, because others don't have the same timing and telescopic legs. He's limited going forward, not a great passer of the ball, and has lapses in positioning defending crosses / switches of play. It's good if we can replace him with a player of a more suited profile and more rounded skill set. But he deserves the credit he gets as a one-on-one defender.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
this
nobody is saying that AWB is /hasbeen the answer to Uniteds RB position. We need an upgrade to play the type of football that TH wants United to play.
But hes been good at defending expecially tackling in his time at United. For those of us who played the game regular, you played to your strenghts and that is what you were selected for by your manager. Having the ability to make an important and clean tackle in football as a defender isnt a weakness as some are making out. Its a quality that your manager and teammates hope and expect of you.
Good luck AWB wherever you end up.
posted on 30/7/24
Didn’t we scout thousands of RBs and came to the conclusion that AWB was the best. It’s mental that he was a winger earlier in his career when he doesn’t seem to possess any attacking qualities.
No idea if this lad from Bayern is any better but his injury record is definitely something to be worried about.
Alonso definitely said something similar to the Maldini comment a years back. Not that I agree, tackling is an important part of defending, even if you did position yourself poorly to begin with.
posted on 30/7/24
I like AWB bit I do find it a bit odd that I'd back myself over a pro footballer to ping a crossfield ball to the opposite fullback!
posted on 30/7/24
On the "tackling means you've failed" truism, there's lots of context you need to apply.
One we've covered above, namely that if you're exceptionally good at it to the extent that you're nearly always going to win the ball, there's no harm in tackling when you don't 'have to'. Secondly, United's last season is a great example of the fact that defenders having to make desperate last-ditch tackles is often a function of system failure, not because the individual who made the tackle got his positioning or decision-making wrong. Thirdly, lots of teams like to play a tactic where one CB steps out aggressively to win the ball, while the other mops up behind; by design one of those is going to be tackling more and the other intercepting more.
posted on 30/7/24
Didn’t we scout thousands of RBs and came to the conclusion that AWB was the best. It’s mental that he was a winger earlier in his career when he doesn’t seem to possess any attacking qualities.
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He can overlap and get into advanced positions, and he can be reasonably effective at wriggling out of crowded spaces in that awkward style of his. It's the ball striking that's really below par. Everyone apart from me hates Dalot on this site but Dalot's passing, whether in ball progression or the attacking third, is incomparably better. I would speculate that AWB's effectiveness as a winger in youth football may have been partially down to a physical advantage.
posted on 30/7/24
I like Dalot
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 5 minutes ago
On the "tackling means you've failed" truism, there's lots of context you need to apply.
One we've covered above, namely that if you're exceptionally good at it to the extent that you're nearly always going to win the ball, there's no harm in tackling when you don't 'have to'. Secondly, United's last season is a great example of the fact that defenders having to make desperate last-ditch tackles is often a function of system failure, not because the individual who made the tackle got his positioning or decision-making wrong. Thirdly, lots of teams like to play a tactic where one CB steps out aggressively to win the ball, while the other mops up behind; by design one of those is going to be tackling more and the other intercepting more.
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Yeah, but what about Maldini’s uncorroborated quote?
posted on 30/7/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 second ago
I like Dalot
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As do I. Think he's a good player and will be important if we are to play from the back more often this season. I think he can only get better too.
posted on 30/7/24
Diafol, RBW, where are you two when I'm getting universally panned for sticking up for him?!
posted on 30/7/24
Actually, I've always suspected Dazza is a closet admirer of Dalot.
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
Diafol, RBW, where are you two when I'm getting universally panned for sticking up for him?!
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Why do you need us when you can do so very eloquently yourself?
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
Actually, I've always suspected Dazza is a closet admirer of Dalot.
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If he wasn’t Portuguese he’d be playing in the Championship.
posted on 30/7/24
Dalot is a better player overall. They have different strengths but ultimately you can't have a fullback in the modern game who you can't pass the ball to.
Unless we want to remain a defensive team who just counter attacks then it's time to move on. Keeping him means giving him another contract and that would be incredibly stupid.
Just get what we can for him and move him on. City, Arsenal and Liverpool wouldn't entertain having him in their squads as he's nowhere near the technical level required.
posted on 30/7/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 1 second ago
I like Dalot
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As do I. Think he's a good player and will be important if we are to play from the back more often this season. I think he can only get better too.
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Thirded.
posted on 30/7/24
If Mazraoui can stay fit that would be good because then Dalot will be a sub.
posted on 30/7/24
Dalot is the personification of average.
I think Dalot and AWB both seem like nice lads and seem to try (which isn't the case for some) but they're just not good enough.
posted on 30/7/24
If Mazraoui can stay fit that would be good because then Dalot will be a sub.
--------------------------------------------
If that's the case it just means he'll play more at LB.
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