comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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If David genuinely is available for £30m, I would imagine levy would love that deal. Perhaps ange doesn’t feel he fits?
apparently his camp are asking for crazy agent fees, which is not something we're normally interested in
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
most of our highest rated players currently came from abroad
Vicario, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Sarr, Bentancur, Son
conversely, most of the players people want dropped came with PL experience
Bissouma, Maddison, Brennan, Richy, Werner
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Lo Celso, Ndombele (just sold), Gil, Royal, Reggie
Quite a cherry picked list you gave there
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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Soldado and and Vinny J had great records in foreign leagues as well.
With Toney and Solanke - you at least know they are settled here, know the league and can produce
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
most of our highest rated players currently came from abroad
Vicario, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Sarr, Bentancur, Son
conversely, most of the players people want dropped came with PL experience
Bissouma, Maddison, Brennan, Richy, Werner
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Lo Celso, Ndombele (just sold), Gil, Royal, Reggie
Quite a cherry picked list you gave there
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not really when I'm not making the point that every foreign signing works out
just surprised that people are still so obsessed with premier league proven given our recent success in that marker compared to abroad
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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If David genuinely is available for £30m, I would imagine levy would love that deal. Perhaps ange doesn’t feel he fits?
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Also gotta price into the fact that League 1 in France is pretty poor. Hard to know how you can translate a Player numbers (especially a strikers goals) to the PL. I think you have to base the deal on the overall cost, players age, personality, possible resale value and how he fits into the way Ange wants to play
none of these are particularly alluring options
that's why I would prefer to go younger and cheaper
the release clause makes it feel as though it could be a signing that drags on and for that money and the player its not worth it
bring someone in as soon as possible for a fairer price
we could get Eze for less couldnt we
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comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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Did someone say Soldado?
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
most of our highest rated players currently came from abroad
Vicario, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Sarr, Bentancur, Son
conversely, most of the players people want dropped came with PL experience
Bissouma, Maddison, Brennan, Richy, Werner
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Lo Celso, Ndombele (just sold), Gil, Royal, Reggie
Quite a cherry picked list you gave there
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not really when I'm not making the point that every foreign signing works out
just surprised that people are still so obsessed with premier league proven given our recent success in that marker compared to abroad
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The difference is that your list of the premier league proven players people aren’t happy with are players that the manager seems very happy to pick regularly.
My list is effectively the bomb squad that we’re actively looking to move on
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 minute ago
I can see how the data-driven model works now. There’s a clear algorithm. They work through a filter players.
1) Are they in the last year of their contract? (Bissouma)
2) Are they from a war-torn country we can exploit? (Solomon)
3) Are they from a relegated team? (Maddison)
4) Are they from a bottom half/ relegation threatened team? (Richy/ Solanke)
5) Are they in financial trouble? (Johnson)
6) Are they available on loan? (Werner)
7) Are they surplus to requirements/ bench-warmers at another club? (Kulu, Bentancur)
8) Are they kids who might be good and we can get some sell-on from? (Gray, Bergvall, Udogie, Sarr)
And finally…
9) Are they a technically good footballer who specialises in a position? (Vic, Porro, VDV, Romero)
Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average.
If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣
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‘Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average’
name the strikers who this wouldn’t apply to
‘If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣’
This is the consequence of all PL clubs becoming richer due to TV money. Mid table and lower half clubs have no reason to sell their star players when it could be the difference between staying up or going down. The exception is when clubs are tight with FFP or when a player has only 1 year left on their contract. Long gone are the days where the big 6 can bully the rest of the league regardless of stadium size
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Solanke has a better touch and hold up play than Richarlison so he’d be an upgrade👍🏻
About not being able to go and buy players from other clubs:
There’s always an excuse isn’t there?
When it was Jol, we couldn’t do it because we didn’t have Europe.
When it was Harry, we couldn’t afford wages.
When it was Poch we were building a stadium that wouldn’t affect our transfers.
When it was Poch, we can’t buy better players because we have a really good 11.
Covid for Jose.
Fack knows for Conte - being on a 2 year contract that they put him on?🤷♂️
Now it’s that other teams have more TV money (as we do).
Excuse after excuse after excuse with Spurs.
Ange told us he wants to go for the league in season 2, I’ve been told “You don’t know Ange, he cooks in his second season”. He also talked about fans having a winning mentality after the City/ Arsenal thing.
Winning mentality? What are we winning? Oh yeah, we’re winning at life🤣
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The problem as always at Spurs is the lack of commitment to a strategy. Just look at our transfer strategy - part data driven, part Johan Lange and part Paratici. We are consistently shifting.
The data driven model has chucked out Neto, Eze, Toney, Solanke - players so well known that even Ted has heard of them.
Lange was instrumental in landing Bergvall, he looks decent to be fair and you wonder who pulled the strings for Gray.
Paratici did a great job when he was the main guy, a few duds like Royal but otherwise - Cuti, VDV, Udogie, Vic, Kulu, Bentancur.
This summer though - Levy seems happy to go with the lower cost deals for young hungry players - but seems somewhat hesitant on the others - too much choice in terms of strategy?
At the same time I do think people overlook players that do it in the prem, possibly because there’s not that allure of the unknown
Let’s say for instance that Solanke had his exact same domestic season but was Swedish instead and played in the Portuguese league for someone like sporting Lisbon, people would be more excited about him
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 minute ago
I can see how the data-driven model works now. There’s a clear algorithm. They work through a filter players.
1) Are they in the last year of their contract? (Bissouma)
2) Are they from a war-torn country we can exploit? (Solomon)
3) Are they from a relegated team? (Maddison)
4) Are they from a bottom half/ relegation threatened team? (Richy/ Solanke)
5) Are they in financial trouble? (Johnson)
6) Are they available on loan? (Werner)
7) Are they surplus to requirements/ bench-warmers at another club? (Kulu, Bentancur)
8) Are they kids who might be good and we can get some sell-on from? (Gray, Bergvall, Udogie, Sarr)
And finally…
9) Are they a technically good footballer who specialises in a position? (Vic, Porro, VDV, Romero)
Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average.
If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣
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‘Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average’
name the strikers who this wouldn’t apply to
‘If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣’
This is the consequence of all PL clubs becoming richer due to TV money. Mid table and lower half clubs have no reason to sell their star players when it could be the difference between staying up or going down. The exception is when clubs are tight with FFP or when a player has only 1 year left on their contract. Long gone are the days where the big 6 can bully the rest of the league regardless of stadium size
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Solanke has a better touch and hold up play than Richarlison so he’d be an upgrade👍🏻
About not being able to go and buy players from other clubs:
There’s always an excuse isn’t there?
When it was Jol, we couldn’t do it because we didn’t have Europe.
When it was Harry, we couldn’t afford wages.
When it was Poch we were building a stadium that wouldn’t affect our transfers.
When it was Poch, we can’t buy better players because we have a really good 11.
Covid for Jose.
Fack knows for Conte - being on a 2 year contract that they put him on?🤷♂️
Now it’s that other teams have more TV money (as we do).
Excuse after excuse after excuse with Spurs.
Ange told us he wants to go for the league in season 2, I’ve been told “You don’t know Ange, he cooks in his second season”. He also talked about fans having a winning mentality after the City/ Arsenal thing.
Winning mentality? What are we winning? Oh yeah, we’re winning at life🤣
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Spurs fans always make excuses for levy. That’s the problem. Pay the most expensive ticket prices in the world, bleat about being the most profitable club in the world and winners of PSR etc etc
Yet here we are again. Two weeks before the start of the season and for my money, zero improvement to the first 11 from last season
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 36 seconds ago
At the same time I do think people overlook players that do it in the prem, possibly because there’s not that allure of the unknown
Let’s say for instance that Solanke had his exact same domestic season but was Swedish instead and played in the Portuguese league for someone like sporting Lisbon, people would be more excited about him
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This post is spot on, the twerking I see from some of our fans for Gyokeres is hilarious - happy to give Lisbon £7 this summer but if we had bought him from Coventry for £20m last summer they would have been fuming
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comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 36 seconds ago
At the same time I do think people overlook players that do it in the prem, possibly because there’s not that allure of the unknown
Let’s say for instance that Solanke had his exact same domestic season but was Swedish instead and played in the Portuguese league for someone like sporting Lisbon, people would be more excited about him
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This post is spot on, the twerking I see from some of our fans for Gyokeres is hilarious - happy to give Lisbon £7 this summer but if we had bought him from Coventry for £20m last summer they would have been fuming
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£70m
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
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you're doing the same thing cherry picking the ones who haven't worked out
my point is merely that premier league proven isn't the be all and end all.
Has Toney done it in the premier league? Yes
Is that worth baring in mind? Yes
is Toney 4 years older? Yes
Has David played in a style more similar to ours? Yes
Has David just been banned for 8 months for Gambling? No
it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go "he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing"
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comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
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you're doing the same thing cherry picking the ones who haven't worked out
my point is merely that premier league proven isn't the be all and end all.
Has Toney done it in the premier league? Yes
Is that worth baring in mind? Yes
is Toney 4 years older? Yes
Has David played in a style more similar to ours? Yes
Has David just been banned for 8 months for Gambling? No
it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go "he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing"
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The point is that Toney at £40m is less risky than David at £30m. To ey won’t be spectacular but you will get a base level and can always flog him on for £20m or so 12 months down the line to a Palace/Fulham
David, if he bombs Soldado style then you are trying to pry £10-£12m out of the likes of Villarreal, whilst getting next to know output in the meantime.
To be honest, Analog brilliantly killed this whole discussion by bringing up Gyokeres - he was spot on with that. People would be excited to bring in a guy who failed at Brighton, did well in the champ and then had 1 decent season in Portugal over Solanke who has done well in the Champ and had a decent season in the Prem purely because it’s exotic
The age of a centre forward being your primary goalscorer are dwindling. Of the top six, only really City follow this model, largely because they have a freak of nature on their books.
Maybe what we need to be looking for is more a Havertz type. Someone who can get a goal but is just as comfortable dropping in to allow others to run beyond. A Firmino type would be great. Solanke is a finsher, as is Richy. When they're not scoring, they're not really contributing all that much.
I'm okay with Solanke because I think he's an upgrade on Richy by virtue of being a better fit for the system, rather than being more talented, but really I'd prefer more goals from wide areas. Spend the Solanke money on Eze or Neto and get the right players in first, rather than sub-standard ones to plug a temporary gap.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
The age of a centre forward being your primary goalscorer are dwindling. Of the top six, only really City follow this model, largely because they have a freak of nature on their books.
Maybe what we need to be looking for is more a Havertz type. Someone who can get a goal but is just as comfortable dropping in to allow others to run beyond. A Firmino type would be great. Solanke is a finsher, as is Richy. When they're not scoring, they're not really contributing all that much.
I'm okay with Solanke because I think he's an upgrade on Richy by virtue of being a better fit for the system, rather than being more talented, but really I'd prefer more goals from wide areas. Spend the Solanke money on Eze or Neto and get the right players in first, rather than sub-standard ones to plug a temporary gap.
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Richy and Solanke are pressing monsters like Firminho was. Solanke was the number 1 presser in the league last year in that position.
I agree with your wider point, it’s about goals all over now, but I think Solanke would be a decent addition
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
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you're doing the same thing cherry picking the ones who haven't worked out
my point is merely that premier league proven isn't the be all and end all.
Has Toney done it in the premier league? Yes
Is that worth baring in mind? Yes
is Toney 4 years older? Yes
Has David played in a style more similar to ours? Yes
Has David just been banned for 8 months for Gambling? No
it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go "he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing"
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The point is that Toney at £40m is less risky than David at £30m. To ey won’t be spectacular but you will get a base level and can always flog him on for £20m or so 12 months down the line to a Palace/Fulham
David, if he bombs Soldado style then you are trying to pry £10-£12m out of the likes of Villarreal, whilst getting next to know output in the meantime.
To be honest, Analog brilliantly killed this whole discussion by bringing up Gyokeres - he was spot on with that. People would be excited to bring in a guy who failed at Brighton, did well in the champ and then had 1 decent season in Portugal over Solanke who has done well in the Champ and had a decent season in the Prem purely because it’s exotic
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based on this exact reasoning you would have been arguing for signing Tyrone Mings over VDV last summer
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posted on 2/8/24
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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If David genuinely is available for £30m, I would imagine levy would love that deal. Perhaps ange doesn’t feel he fits?
posted on 2/8/24
apparently his camp are asking for crazy agent fees, which is not something we're normally interested in
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
most of our highest rated players currently came from abroad
Vicario, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Sarr, Bentancur, Son
conversely, most of the players people want dropped came with PL experience
Bissouma, Maddison, Brennan, Richy, Werner
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Lo Celso, Ndombele (just sold), Gil, Royal, Reggie
Quite a cherry picked list you gave there
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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Soldado and and Vinny J had great records in foreign leagues as well.
With Toney and Solanke - you at least know they are settled here, know the league and can produce
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
most of our highest rated players currently came from abroad
Vicario, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Sarr, Bentancur, Son
conversely, most of the players people want dropped came with PL experience
Bissouma, Maddison, Brennan, Richy, Werner
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Lo Celso, Ndombele (just sold), Gil, Royal, Reggie
Quite a cherry picked list you gave there
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not really when I'm not making the point that every foreign signing works out
just surprised that people are still so obsessed with premier league proven given our recent success in that marker compared to abroad
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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If David genuinely is available for £30m, I would imagine levy would love that deal. Perhaps ange doesn’t feel he fits?
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Also gotta price into the fact that League 1 in France is pretty poor. Hard to know how you can translate a Player numbers (especially a strikers goals) to the PL. I think you have to base the deal on the overall cost, players age, personality, possible resale value and how he fits into the way Ange wants to play
posted on 2/8/24
that market*
posted on 2/8/24
none of these are particularly alluring options
that's why I would prefer to go younger and cheaper
posted on 2/8/24
the release clause makes it feel as though it could be a signing that drags on and for that money and the player its not worth it
bring someone in as soon as possible for a fairer price
we could get Eze for less couldnt we
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 30 seconds ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 2 minutes ago
Would much prefer Toney or Jonathan David
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Honestly how many games of Jonathan David have you watched?
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how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship
in your opinion?
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Did someone say Soldado?
posted on 2/8/24
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
most of our highest rated players currently came from abroad
Vicario, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Sarr, Bentancur, Son
conversely, most of the players people want dropped came with PL experience
Bissouma, Maddison, Brennan, Richy, Werner
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Lo Celso, Ndombele (just sold), Gil, Royal, Reggie
Quite a cherry picked list you gave there
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not really when I'm not making the point that every foreign signing works out
just surprised that people are still so obsessed with premier league proven given our recent success in that marker compared to abroad
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The difference is that your list of the premier league proven players people aren’t happy with are players that the manager seems very happy to pick regularly.
My list is effectively the bomb squad that we’re actively looking to move on
posted on 2/8/24
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 minute ago
I can see how the data-driven model works now. There’s a clear algorithm. They work through a filter players.
1) Are they in the last year of their contract? (Bissouma)
2) Are they from a war-torn country we can exploit? (Solomon)
3) Are they from a relegated team? (Maddison)
4) Are they from a bottom half/ relegation threatened team? (Richy/ Solanke)
5) Are they in financial trouble? (Johnson)
6) Are they available on loan? (Werner)
7) Are they surplus to requirements/ bench-warmers at another club? (Kulu, Bentancur)
8) Are they kids who might be good and we can get some sell-on from? (Gray, Bergvall, Udogie, Sarr)
And finally…
9) Are they a technically good footballer who specialises in a position? (Vic, Porro, VDV, Romero)
Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average.
If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣
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‘Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average’
name the strikers who this wouldn’t apply to
‘If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣’
This is the consequence of all PL clubs becoming richer due to TV money. Mid table and lower half clubs have no reason to sell their star players when it could be the difference between staying up or going down. The exception is when clubs are tight with FFP or when a player has only 1 year left on their contract. Long gone are the days where the big 6 can bully the rest of the league regardless of stadium size
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Solanke has a better touch and hold up play than Richarlison so he’d be an upgrade👍🏻
About not being able to go and buy players from other clubs:
There’s always an excuse isn’t there?
When it was Jol, we couldn’t do it because we didn’t have Europe.
When it was Harry, we couldn’t afford wages.
When it was Poch we were building a stadium that wouldn’t affect our transfers.
When it was Poch, we can’t buy better players because we have a really good 11.
Covid for Jose.
Fack knows for Conte - being on a 2 year contract that they put him on?🤷♂️
Now it’s that other teams have more TV money (as we do).
Excuse after excuse after excuse with Spurs.
Ange told us he wants to go for the league in season 2, I’ve been told “You don’t know Ange, he cooks in his second season”. He also talked about fans having a winning mentality after the City/ Arsenal thing.
Winning mentality? What are we winning? Oh yeah, we’re winning at life🤣
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The problem as always at Spurs is the lack of commitment to a strategy. Just look at our transfer strategy - part data driven, part Johan Lange and part Paratici. We are consistently shifting.
The data driven model has chucked out Neto, Eze, Toney, Solanke - players so well known that even Ted has heard of them.
Lange was instrumental in landing Bergvall, he looks decent to be fair and you wonder who pulled the strings for Gray.
Paratici did a great job when he was the main guy, a few duds like Royal but otherwise - Cuti, VDV, Udogie, Vic, Kulu, Bentancur.
This summer though - Levy seems happy to go with the lower cost deals for young hungry players - but seems somewhat hesitant on the others - too much choice in terms of strategy?
posted on 2/8/24
At the same time I do think people overlook players that do it in the prem, possibly because there’s not that allure of the unknown
Let’s say for instance that Solanke had his exact same domestic season but was Swedish instead and played in the Portuguese league for someone like sporting Lisbon, people would be more excited about him
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 1 minute ago
I can see how the data-driven model works now. There’s a clear algorithm. They work through a filter players.
1) Are they in the last year of their contract? (Bissouma)
2) Are they from a war-torn country we can exploit? (Solomon)
3) Are they from a relegated team? (Maddison)
4) Are they from a bottom half/ relegation threatened team? (Richy/ Solanke)
5) Are they in financial trouble? (Johnson)
6) Are they available on loan? (Werner)
7) Are they surplus to requirements/ bench-warmers at another club? (Kulu, Bentancur)
8) Are they kids who might be good and we can get some sell-on from? (Gray, Bergvall, Udogie, Sarr)
And finally…
9) Are they a technically good footballer who specialises in a position? (Vic, Porro, VDV, Romero)
Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average.
If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣
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‘Solanke could come in and have a blinding season. But he could come in and be very average’
name the strikers who this wouldn’t apply to
‘If I told you that they needed to knock down WHL and move to a bigger stadium in order to buy players like Dominic Solanke, you would’ve laughed in my face. But now we’re saying it’s fine and it’s all good. What are we doing?🤣’
This is the consequence of all PL clubs becoming richer due to TV money. Mid table and lower half clubs have no reason to sell their star players when it could be the difference between staying up or going down. The exception is when clubs are tight with FFP or when a player has only 1 year left on their contract. Long gone are the days where the big 6 can bully the rest of the league regardless of stadium size
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Solanke has a better touch and hold up play than Richarlison so he’d be an upgrade👍🏻
About not being able to go and buy players from other clubs:
There’s always an excuse isn’t there?
When it was Jol, we couldn’t do it because we didn’t have Europe.
When it was Harry, we couldn’t afford wages.
When it was Poch we were building a stadium that wouldn’t affect our transfers.
When it was Poch, we can’t buy better players because we have a really good 11.
Covid for Jose.
Fack knows for Conte - being on a 2 year contract that they put him on?🤷♂️
Now it’s that other teams have more TV money (as we do).
Excuse after excuse after excuse with Spurs.
Ange told us he wants to go for the league in season 2, I’ve been told “You don’t know Ange, he cooks in his second season”. He also talked about fans having a winning mentality after the City/ Arsenal thing.
Winning mentality? What are we winning? Oh yeah, we’re winning at life🤣
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Spurs fans always make excuses for levy. That’s the problem. Pay the most expensive ticket prices in the world, bleat about being the most profitable club in the world and winners of PSR etc etc
Yet here we are again. Two weeks before the start of the season and for my money, zero improvement to the first 11 from last season
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 36 seconds ago
At the same time I do think people overlook players that do it in the prem, possibly because there’s not that allure of the unknown
Let’s say for instance that Solanke had his exact same domestic season but was Swedish instead and played in the Portuguese league for someone like sporting Lisbon, people would be more excited about him
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This post is spot on, the twerking I see from some of our fans for Gyokeres is hilarious - happy to give Lisbon £7 this summer but if we had bought him from Coventry for £20m last summer they would have been fuming
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 1 second ago
comment by Analog (U17200)
posted 36 seconds ago
At the same time I do think people overlook players that do it in the prem, possibly because there’s not that allure of the unknown
Let’s say for instance that Solanke had his exact same domestic season but was Swedish instead and played in the Portuguese league for someone like sporting Lisbon, people would be more excited about him
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This post is spot on, the twerking I see from some of our fans for Gyokeres is hilarious - happy to give Lisbon £7 this summer but if we had bought him from Coventry for £20m last summer they would have been fuming
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£70m
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
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you're doing the same thing cherry picking the ones who haven't worked out
my point is merely that premier league proven isn't the be all and end all.
Has Toney done it in the premier league? Yes
Is that worth baring in mind? Yes
is Toney 4 years older? Yes
Has David played in a style more similar to ours? Yes
Has David just been banned for 8 months for Gambling? No
it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go "he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing"
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
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you're doing the same thing cherry picking the ones who haven't worked out
my point is merely that premier league proven isn't the be all and end all.
Has Toney done it in the premier league? Yes
Is that worth baring in mind? Yes
is Toney 4 years older? Yes
Has David played in a style more similar to ours? Yes
Has David just been banned for 8 months for Gambling? No
it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go "he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing"
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The point is that Toney at £40m is less risky than David at £30m. To ey won’t be spectacular but you will get a base level and can always flog him on for £20m or so 12 months down the line to a Palace/Fulham
David, if he bombs Soldado style then you are trying to pry £10-£12m out of the likes of Villarreal, whilst getting next to know output in the meantime.
To be honest, Analog brilliantly killed this whole discussion by bringing up Gyokeres - he was spot on with that. People would be excited to bring in a guy who failed at Brighton, did well in the champ and then had 1 decent season in Portugal over Solanke who has done well in the Champ and had a decent season in the Prem purely because it’s exotic
posted on 2/8/24
The age of a centre forward being your primary goalscorer are dwindling. Of the top six, only really City follow this model, largely because they have a freak of nature on their books.
Maybe what we need to be looking for is more a Havertz type. Someone who can get a goal but is just as comfortable dropping in to allow others to run beyond. A Firmino type would be great. Solanke is a finsher, as is Richy. When they're not scoring, they're not really contributing all that much.
I'm okay with Solanke because I think he's an upgrade on Richy by virtue of being a better fit for the system, rather than being more talented, but really I'd prefer more goals from wide areas. Spend the Solanke money on Eze or Neto and get the right players in first, rather than sub-standard ones to plug a temporary gap.
posted on 2/8/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 5 minutes ago
The age of a centre forward being your primary goalscorer are dwindling. Of the top six, only really City follow this model, largely because they have a freak of nature on their books.
Maybe what we need to be looking for is more a Havertz type. Someone who can get a goal but is just as comfortable dropping in to allow others to run beyond. A Firmino type would be great. Solanke is a finsher, as is Richy. When they're not scoring, they're not really contributing all that much.
I'm okay with Solanke because I think he's an upgrade on Richy by virtue of being a better fit for the system, rather than being more talented, but really I'd prefer more goals from wide areas. Spend the Solanke money on Eze or Neto and get the right players in first, rather than sub-standard ones to plug a temporary gap.
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Richy and Solanke are pressing monsters like Firminho was. Solanke was the number 1 presser in the league last year in that position.
I agree with your wider point, it’s about goals all over now, but I think Solanke would be a decent addition
posted on 2/8/24
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 1 hour, 28 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then
quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?
Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.
Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
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you're doing the same thing cherry picking the ones who haven't worked out
my point is merely that premier league proven isn't the be all and end all.
Has Toney done it in the premier league? Yes
Is that worth baring in mind? Yes
is Toney 4 years older? Yes
Has David played in a style more similar to ours? Yes
Has David just been banned for 8 months for Gambling? No
it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go "he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing"
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The point is that Toney at £40m is less risky than David at £30m. To ey won’t be spectacular but you will get a base level and can always flog him on for £20m or so 12 months down the line to a Palace/Fulham
David, if he bombs Soldado style then you are trying to pry £10-£12m out of the likes of Villarreal, whilst getting next to know output in the meantime.
To be honest, Analog brilliantly killed this whole discussion by bringing up Gyokeres - he was spot on with that. People would be excited to bring in a guy who failed at Brighton, did well in the champ and then had 1 decent season in Portugal over Solanke who has done well in the Champ and had a decent season in the Prem purely because it’s exotic
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based on this exact reasoning you would have been arguing for signing Tyrone Mings over VDV last summer
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