comment by Christopher (U20930)
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comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - haters gonna hate (U18109)
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 4 minutes ago
well I guess we should stop buying players from abroad then

quick is it too late to return VDV? do you think we could get a few bob back from Udinese for Udogie?
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Do you reckon we could get money back on Soldado, Ndombele and Lo Celso?

Again cherry picking names and missing the point. Jonathan David is a far bigger risk than Toney - and their fees will not be too dissimilar.

Stop exaggerating to try and make a redundant point, it only weakens your argument
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you're doing the same thing cherry picking the ones who haven't worked out

my point is merely that premier league proven isn't the be all and end all.

Has Toney done it in the premier league? Yes

Is that worth baring in mind? Yes

is Toney 4 years older? Yes

Has David played in a style more similar to ours? Yes

Has David just been banned for 8 months for Gambling? No


it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go "he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing"
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The point is that Toney at £40m is less risky than David at £30m. To ey won’t be spectacular but you will get a base level and can always flog him on for £20m or so 12 months down the line to a Palace/Fulham

David, if he bombs Soldado style then you are trying to pry £10-£12m out of the likes of Villarreal, whilst getting next to know output in the meantime.

To be honest, Analog brilliantly killed this whole discussion by bringing up Gyokeres - he was spot on with that. People would be excited to bring in a guy who failed at Brighton, did well in the champ and then had 1 decent season in Portugal over Solanke who has done well in the Champ and had a decent season in the Prem purely because it’s exotic
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based on this exact reasoning you would have been arguing for signing Tyrone Mings over VDV last summer
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Weirdest argument I have ever seen put forwards.

My point was very clear - last year if we had said we’re signing Gyokeres from Coventry for £20m people would have stuck their noses up. One year down the line, the fee is £70m from Lisbon and people are desperate for the club to do it.

So if Solanke goes to Benfica, people will twerk for him next year because then it’s exotic.

Now please try and explain how your Mings/VDV comment makes any sense whatsoever within the context???

I will be waiting

"The point is that Toney at £40m is less risky than David at £30m. To ey won’t be spectacular but you will get a base level and can always flog him on for £20m or so 12 months down the line to a Palace/Fulham

David, if he bombs Soldado style then you are trying to pry £10-£12m out of the likes of Villarreal, whilst getting next to know output in the meantime."

this is the point I'm responding to, I'm not interested in engaging in your strawman argument about gyokores.

Based on the logic presented above it would follow that Mings would have been a better signing than VDV. I think that's amusing

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 11 minutes ago
"The point is that Toney at £40m is less risky than David at £30m. To ey won’t be spectacular but you will get a base level and can always flog him on for £20m or so 12 months down the line to a Palace/Fulham

David, if he bombs Soldado style then you are trying to pry £10-£12m out of the likes of Villarreal, whilst getting next to know output in the meantime."

this is the point I'm responding to, I'm not interested in engaging in your strawman argument about gyokores.

Based on the logic presented above it would follow that Mings would have been a better signing than VDV. I think that's amusing
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Not really, it’s hardly a like for like comparison is it - a at the time 30 year old defender or a 22 year old. The age gap between Toney and David is 4 years rather than 8 years.

A better example would be if Chelsea had spent big money on Rice rather than Enzo - I both bomb, who has more resale value? Has to be Rice as he will be in higher demand from English sides and that’s where most the wealth is - where would Enzo go? Back to Portugal, maybe Spain or Italy - these clubs are skint.

You do love cherry picking your examples without providing a wider context though

But what if VDV was a flop, we would have found it hard to sell him. Mings would have been easy to move on though. A much safer signing so by your logic a better one


or are you saying that there's more that goes into it? interesting

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 8 minutes ago
But what if VDV was a flop, we would have found it hard to sell him. Mings would have been easy to move on though. A much safer signing so by your logic a better one


or are you saying that there's more that goes into it? interesting
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Yes age also plays a part - your example has an 8 year difference mine was 4.

As mine is only 4 years - like I said, Toney is far less of a risk than Jonathan David. You will hopefully notice I have said - less risky, I have not said better - there is a clear distinction

Would you like to argue that Enzo was more of a risk than Declan Rice? I am even giving you the age advantage here as Declan is 2 years older?

Interesting

well I've literally never said that they weren't less of a risk.


"it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go 'he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing'"

this is what I said

You responded telling me about the importance of safe signings and resale value, I pointed out again that it's not just about that by comparing Mings and VDV, and now you're acting like I've suggested that premier league players aren't less of a risk, even though I started off by acknowledging that?

brilliant

you should go back to your knock off Ace Face , well hard proper football man persona because you can't really pull off this more analytical thing you've switched to

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 19 minutes ago
well I've literally never said that they weren't less of a risk.


"it's all relevant information when picking who to buy. you can't just go 'he's played in the prem so he's less of a risk so he's the better signing'"

this is what I said

You responded telling me about the importance of safe signings and resale value, I pointed out again that it's not just about that by comparing Mings and VDV, and now you're acting like I've suggested that premier league players aren't less of a risk, even though I started off by acknowledging that?

brilliant
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Again cherry picking - you then tried to justify your argument by sarcastically pointing out maybe we shouldn’t have bought VDV and Udogie then - I just responded in kind that your argument was too simplistic.

Brilliant indeed

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 17 minutes ago
you should go back to your knock off Ace Face , well hard proper football man persona because you can't really pull off this more analytical thing you've switched to
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Ahhh finally - your concession of the argument - knew you would have to resort to getting personal.

was Cherry picking on your phrase of the day toilet paper or something


What is it exactly that you disagree with me about? Because you've spent the whole time telling me that Premier league signings are less risky when I've never said otherwise

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 9 minutes ago
was Cherry picking on your phrase of the day toilet paper or something


What is it exactly that you disagree with me about? Because you've spent the whole time telling me that Premier league signings are less risky when I've never said otherwise
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It all started with the following post of yours where you were very selective with the players you chose to make your point - you cherry picked

most of our highest rated players currently came from abroad

Vicario, Porro, Romero, VDV, Udogie, Sarr, Bentancur, Son


conversely, most of the players people want dropped came with PL experience

Bissouma, Maddison, Brennan, Richy, Werner

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 11 minutes ago
was Cherry picking on your phrase of the day toilet paper or something


What is it exactly that you disagree with me about? Because you've spent the whole time telling me that Premier league signings are less risky when I've never said otherwise
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This was the main catalyst though when you said you preferred David to Solanke

how many would I need to have seen to justify preferring the 24 year old available for £30m who has scored 30 goals in all competitions in both of the last 2 seasons to the 27 year old available for £65m who has done that once in his career despite having spent half of it in the championship

in your opinion?


My point to you was if Solanke goes wrong we can sell him back to a Prem side for a decent amount - whereas David could be Vinny J all over again where we essentially have to ditch him

Says it all that you can’t even remember what you were debating you should chat to Ted

right so just to clarify you're still just repeating that premier league players are less risky than players from abroad over and over again even though I've never said otherwise and my point was just that's not all you should consider when making a signing.

Excellent stuff, great debating skills. hope you make the mock trial team

If you look across the squad and the way we are being managed we are just as bad as Chelsea.

Look at the players we are selling massively undervalued, compare Hojberg to Elliott andersen as a key example. Or not being able to get a small fee for Ndombele (we paid up his contract therefore costing us the same money it would of to keep him) Bryan gil no fee on loan and leaves on a free next year, tanganga no fee, sess no fee. (We had options on both there contracts) rumoured to be under a million on yago santiago yet Kelleymen from villa sold for 20 million.

Years of mismanagement leaving us with a lack of home grown and club home grown and gaps across the squad.

Every season that goes buy that gap we had financially decreases. The wage bill already had us below newcastle villa and west ham ridiculous.

We are currently weaker now with more games and the stats showed we could not cope with the least amount of games in the country last season.

ANY centre forward will be a good addition. Solanke is not the best but we need a proper forward. Ange loves playing wingers up front, if Ange goes we have no centre forward for a manager to utlise.

I would prefer Fullkrug, Toney solanke in that order. The dream would be to flex our financial muscle and get Oshimhen.

"If you look across the squad and the way we are being managed we are just as bad as Chelsea"

ok time to log off

comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 19 minutes ago
"If you look across the squad and the way we are being managed we are just as bad as Chelsea"

ok time to log off
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comment by Christopher (U20930)
posted 44 minutes ago
right so just to clarify you're still just repeating that premier league players are less risky than players from abroad over and over again even though I've never said otherwise and my point was just that's not all you should consider when making a signing.

Excellent stuff, great debating skills. hope you make the mock trial team
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Another concession, thanks Chris

comment by look like modric (U7431)
posted 27 minutes ago
If you look across the squad and the way we are being managed we are just as bad as Chelsea.

Look at the players we are selling massively undervalued, compare Hojberg to Elliott andersen as a key example. Or not being able to get a small fee for Ndombele (we paid up his contract therefore costing us the same money it would of to keep him) Bryan gil no fee on loan and leaves on a free next year, tanganga no fee, sess no fee. (We had options on both there contracts) rumoured to be under a million on yago santiago yet Kelleymen from villa sold for 20 million.

Years of mismanagement leaving us with a lack of home grown and club home grown and gaps across the squad.

Every season that goes buy that gap we had financially decreases. The wage bill already had us below newcastle villa and west ham ridiculous.

We are currently weaker now with more games and the stats showed we could not cope with the least amount of games in the country last season.

ANY centre forward will be a good addition. Solanke is not the best but we need a proper forward. Ange loves playing wingers up front, if Ange goes we have no centre forward for a manager to utlise.

I would prefer Fullkrug, Toney solanke in that order. The dream would be to flex our financial muscle and get Oshimhen.
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The Levy boys are in this thread - they will just give it a quick glib remark rather than coherently debate with you - I wouldn’t waste your time.

ok I can break it down point by point if you prefer

Højbjerg = 29, in the last year of his deal, moving abroad
Anderson = 21, homegrown, moving to a PL team, obvious PSR scam

yeah I wonder who would go for more money hmmm

Ndombele's contract was terminated because there was no interest in him, maybe we managed to avoid paying out his whole contract.

Bryan, not leaving on a free - we extended his contract and added a €15m release clause. widely reported

Sess been injured for 18 months, weren't going to get any money for him. Tanganga an academy player who was probably gonna fetch a couple hundred k, did them a favour, why waste time trying to sell them and getting barely any money when you can just cut bait and know you don't have to worry about them sticking around and earning a wage

Santiago gone to second tier of Spanish football, obviously know interest in him. Kellyman an obvious PSR scam

aren't lacking in homegrown or club grown players

both sites I just checked had us above Newcastle and West Ham for wages so just another complete fabrication seemingly

Ange literally just speaking to today about how we need to sign a striker, clearly doesn't want to use a winger there but our only striker last season was injured half the time.

Fulkrug not premier league proven so far too risky to sign

sorry ignore all that just remembered I'm a levy boy clearly talking out my arrrse

thought you were logging out

meanwhile Chelsea have about 40 players, in massive PSR trouble, on their 5th manager in 2 seasons who their fans already don't like, have spent over 200m combined on Enzo and Caiceido, just banned fan favourite and vice captain Gallagher from training

comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 11 seconds ago
thought you were logging out
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needed to give a quick glib remark

funny that for years the accusation has been that levy is a penny pincher who wastes time negotiating a fee up from 8m to 10m that ends up leading to us accumulating deadwood because we can't get players out the door

and then once we become more ruthless getting players out the door suddenly we're as badly run as Chelsea because we didn't get 20m for Yago Santiago