comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
I was surprised Deki didn't start wide left particularly with his delivery and Solanke being a good target in the box.
I thought he should have come on sooner.
Us making 4 subs at once was a bit like a friendly where half the outfield is changed and you lose fluency. Bergvall and Gray looked very good but with no Maddison and with Werner on the right it messed up our fluidity
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What did Gray do?
Bergvall looked very good on the ball but his horrible Moment where he nearly gave them a golden opportunity shows that he’s not quite ready and what can happen in the Premier League to kids.
I actually thought we played well but the set up did expose both our failings. For the first 55 minutes, Leicester gave us too much respect and sat in, which we're notoriously poor at breaking down. We had chances but not great chances. The idea that we should have been out of sight is way off the mark. Then they came out and exposed our fragile defence. That's when we should have hit them because they were more exposed.
I think we lack experience and character. Someone that can galvanise and direct orders when we're sinking. I guess that's a product of having a young side. Saying that, we really got a grip of the game again once the younger players came on.
You can't underestimate how much Maddison impacts things at Spurs. When he's on his game, we dominate. When he's tiring and isn't as involved, we drop off and lose control. Everything good goes through him. It's remarkable how much we rely on him.
All in all though. A bit blunt but a decent performance. Not much different to last year away at Brentford for the first game. Plenty to work on but plenty of positives to build on too. Bergvall for me looks an absolute steal.
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
Fridge
Lacking that killer instinct and a bit of leadership basically!
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 39 minutes ago
Kulusevski is clearly a better player than Johnson but Ange wants his wingers to stretch the pitch and beat their man. Kulusevski is better inside. Arguably he should be taking Sarr's place, not Johnson's.
Trouble is the alternatives for right wing are all pants or unproven. Hopefully Odobert hits the ground running. I said it earlier in the week but I can easily see him pushing ahead of Johnson and Werner over the course of the season.
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Agree with all that, Odobert will have a easy ride getting a head of those two not difficult at all
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
yeah getting Werner back he clearly saw something there
Veliz seems more of the clubs strategy in getting these young players in for the future which Ange has to be involved in
He would really thrive as a manager for City for example where the quality is so high and theyre so ruthless, obviously you could say any manager would look good at city with their players but his attacking philosophy would really bare fruit there or at a club that is the best in their division (see at Celtic)
at spurs he doesnt have the best players, the players are good on the whole but either the system needs adapting or some serious work needs to be done on the training ground to be far less wasteful cause its just a joke
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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We’re collecting next season’s deadwood.
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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We’re collecting next season’s deadwood.
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Maybe. Werner yes, I can't see us not thinking we need to move him on after this season. BJ and Kulu are possibilities.
Hopefully this Odobert will prove to better than any of these guys from what we've seen of them the last season or so.
Does Ange pick the players? I thought there was a new data-driven recruitment team in place for that. I know Ange will have a say obviously
If he is hand-picking his signings then yeah, it seems like his standards might be a bit low. Then again the likes of Solomon and Johnson would probably tear it up in the leagues where Ange has managed before
He said he has final say in every transfer yes or no ing them but most managers just say that tb
But lots of reports on the solanke, bj and Werner deals especially were on how much Ange regards them and sees them as players that are perfect fit for how we play
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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The amount of money spent on both suggests these were buys sanctioned to support the manager with his own targets and not just club buys the manager accepted. For a kick off, the moves you'd list as club buys I'd say are the likes of Bergvall, Gray and Yang, amongst others because they're relatively cheap with a huge ceiling. BJ and Solanke feel more like Ange's specific targets purely on price tag and for Solanke in particular, age profile, with little sell on value.
I should say I'm not lumping Solanke in with BJ as we don't yet know how he'll fair but I'm yet to be convinced by BJ. He's good at changing a game from the bench but start him and he doesn't offer much at all. Problem is, the same could be said for Kulu.
I have read enough times that Ange wanted Johnson, tbf, so I do believe that one. And it's not a great reflection on Ange. The player's ceiling just doesn't seem that high. There must have been plenty of wingers out there who can run at the same speed but have some technical craft on top
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
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What rubbish.
This is a long term plan, not a poor start and you're out situation.
As for the "Ange's signing" bollox, he is not the sole decision maker nor the one who identifies players.
Some of you act as if he got here last summer and stamped his feet until he got Johnson and no one else wanted him And now Solankes an Ange signing......where are you even getting this info from. It's like it's said a few times and suddenly it became gospel.
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 15 minutes ago
I have read enough times that Ange wanted Johnson, tbf, so I do believe that one. And it's not a great reflection on Ange. The player's ceiling just doesn't seem that high. There must have been plenty of wingers out there who can run at the same speed but have some technical craft on top
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Yeah, I have to admit that he doesn't really pass the eye test, or certainly hadn't from my perspective whilst at Forest, but I just assumed it was my considerably untrained eye not seeing what Ange is. He's a decent player but certainly no better than anyone else we have and he was definitely over-priced.
It's defo a worry because I know we had the same judgement issues with Poch too. I really don't think the club can be blamed for backing Ange but I've got more faith in club choices than Ange's. We'll have to hope Solanke fits better than that. I have to say, most of the noise from people more tactically astute than I am say it's a marriage made in heaven. This guy at FourFourTwo seems to love it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0IewKlLCw
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
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What rubbish.
This is a long term plan, not a poor start and you're out situation.
As for the "Ange's signing" bollox, he is not the sole decision maker nor the one who identifies players.
Some of you act as if he got here last summer and stamped his feet until he got Johnson and no one else wanted him And now Solankes an Ange signing......where are you even getting this info from. It's like it's said a few times and suddenly it became gospel.
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I don't think anyone is saying he has autonomy. It's just that most of the reports seem to suggest that, like BJ, Solanke was the one Ange wanted more than anyone else, aside from Neto. It's probably a case of "I like this guy because he'll fit perfectly into my system" and then the recruitment team will weigh up whether it's an astute purchase or not.
It's not crazy to suggest managers want certain players. You've only got to look at Ten Hag's signings for evidence that owners back managers with their preferred players. In order to function it has to be a bit of both. A few the manager likes and then a few that fit the club profile. That's the kind of compromise that allows these collective recruitment processes to function.
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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The amount of money spent on both suggests these were buys sanctioned to support the manager with his own targets and not just club buys the manager accepted. For a kick off, the moves you'd list as club buys I'd say are the likes of Bergvall, Gray and Yang, amongst others because they're relatively cheap with a huge ceiling. BJ and Solanke feel more like Ange's specific targets purely on price tag and for Solanke in particular, age profile, with little sell on value.
I should say I'm not lumping Solanke in with BJ as we don't yet know how he'll fair but I'm yet to be convinced by BJ. He's good at changing a game from the bench but start him and he doesn't offer much at all. Problem is, the same could be said for Kulu.
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Yeah and Kulu on the other hand is one you'd categorise as a club buy rather than manager buy.
I agree they do seem more like Ange buys and from what I've heard he did want them. I'd still say we can't write BJ off just yet. His first season he did ok, not brilliant but alright. Solanke is one that does what it says on the tin. We needed a striker and we bought one that did well in the league last season. If he fails then it will fall on Ange's head, but I think most of us feel he was worthy of signing if for much more money than he should be.
Both expensive but Ange, if he is to last a while and go on to succeed with us, will be allowed to make a few misjudgments from time to time.
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
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What rubbish.
This is a long term plan, not a poor start and you're out situation.
As for the "Ange's signing" bollox, he is not the sole decision maker nor the one who identifies players.
Some of you act as if he got here last summer and stamped his feet until he got Johnson and no one else wanted him And now Solankes an Ange signing......where are you even getting this info from. It's like it's said a few times and suddenly it became gospel.
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Well I didn't say he needed sacking but surely he should feel the pressure because with two very winnable games from our first 2, we should have expected more than if we can't win either, with the tough games then set to come.
The way the season finished last season means he left himself in a position to feel the pressure should he not get a good start. A long term plan is fine if there is progress being made. Carrying on the form of last season wouldn't be progress.
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posted on 20/8/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 13 minutes ago
I was surprised Deki didn't start wide left particularly with his delivery and Solanke being a good target in the box.
I thought he should have come on sooner.
Us making 4 subs at once was a bit like a friendly where half the outfield is changed and you lose fluency. Bergvall and Gray looked very good but with no Maddison and with Werner on the right it messed up our fluidity
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What did Gray do?
Bergvall looked very good on the ball but his horrible Moment where he nearly gave them a golden opportunity shows that he’s not quite ready and what can happen in the Premier League to kids.
posted on 20/8/24
I actually thought we played well but the set up did expose both our failings. For the first 55 minutes, Leicester gave us too much respect and sat in, which we're notoriously poor at breaking down. We had chances but not great chances. The idea that we should have been out of sight is way off the mark. Then they came out and exposed our fragile defence. That's when we should have hit them because they were more exposed.
I think we lack experience and character. Someone that can galvanise and direct orders when we're sinking. I guess that's a product of having a young side. Saying that, we really got a grip of the game again once the younger players came on.
You can't underestimate how much Maddison impacts things at Spurs. When he's on his game, we dominate. When he's tiring and isn't as involved, we drop off and lose control. Everything good goes through him. It's remarkable how much we rely on him.
All in all though. A bit blunt but a decent performance. Not much different to last year away at Brentford for the first game. Plenty to work on but plenty of positives to build on too. Bergvall for me looks an absolute steal.
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
posted on 20/8/24
Fridge
Lacking that killer instinct and a bit of leadership basically!
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 39 minutes ago
Kulusevski is clearly a better player than Johnson but Ange wants his wingers to stretch the pitch and beat their man. Kulusevski is better inside. Arguably he should be taking Sarr's place, not Johnson's.
Trouble is the alternatives for right wing are all pants or unproven. Hopefully Odobert hits the ground running. I said it earlier in the week but I can easily see him pushing ahead of Johnson and Werner over the course of the season.
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Agree with all that, Odobert will have a easy ride getting a head of those two not difficult at all
posted on 20/8/24
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
posted on 20/8/24
yeah getting Werner back he clearly saw something there
Veliz seems more of the clubs strategy in getting these young players in for the future which Ange has to be involved in
He would really thrive as a manager for City for example where the quality is so high and theyre so ruthless, obviously you could say any manager would look good at city with their players but his attacking philosophy would really bare fruit there or at a club that is the best in their division (see at Celtic)
at spurs he doesnt have the best players, the players are good on the whole but either the system needs adapting or some serious work needs to be done on the training ground to be far less wasteful cause its just a joke
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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We’re collecting next season’s deadwood.
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
----------------------------------------------------------------------
It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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We’re collecting next season’s deadwood.
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Maybe. Werner yes, I can't see us not thinking we need to move him on after this season. BJ and Kulu are possibilities.
Hopefully this Odobert will prove to better than any of these guys from what we've seen of them the last season or so.
posted on 20/8/24
Does Ange pick the players? I thought there was a new data-driven recruitment team in place for that. I know Ange will have a say obviously
If he is hand-picking his signings then yeah, it seems like his standards might be a bit low. Then again the likes of Solomon and Johnson would probably tear it up in the leagues where Ange has managed before
posted on 20/8/24
He said he has final say in every transfer yes or no ing them but most managers just say that tb
But lots of reports on the solanke, bj and Werner deals especially were on how much Ange regards them and sees them as players that are perfect fit for how we play
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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The amount of money spent on both suggests these were buys sanctioned to support the manager with his own targets and not just club buys the manager accepted. For a kick off, the moves you'd list as club buys I'd say are the likes of Bergvall, Gray and Yang, amongst others because they're relatively cheap with a huge ceiling. BJ and Solanke feel more like Ange's specific targets purely on price tag and for Solanke in particular, age profile, with little sell on value.
I should say I'm not lumping Solanke in with BJ as we don't yet know how he'll fair but I'm yet to be convinced by BJ. He's good at changing a game from the bench but start him and he doesn't offer much at all. Problem is, the same could be said for Kulu.
posted on 20/8/24
I have read enough times that Ange wanted Johnson, tbf, so I do believe that one. And it's not a great reflection on Ange. The player's ceiling just doesn't seem that high. There must have been plenty of wingers out there who can run at the same speed but have some technical craft on top
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
What rubbish.
This is a long term plan, not a poor start and you're out situation.
As for the "Ange's signing" bollox, he is not the sole decision maker nor the one who identifies players.
Some of you act as if he got here last summer and stamped his feet until he got Johnson and no one else wanted him And now Solankes an Ange signing......where are you even getting this info from. It's like it's said a few times and suddenly it became gospel.
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Amanda Hugginkiss (U11574)
posted 15 minutes ago
I have read enough times that Ange wanted Johnson, tbf, so I do believe that one. And it's not a great reflection on Ange. The player's ceiling just doesn't seem that high. There must have been plenty of wingers out there who can run at the same speed but have some technical craft on top
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Yeah, I have to admit that he doesn't really pass the eye test, or certainly hadn't from my perspective whilst at Forest, but I just assumed it was my considerably untrained eye not seeing what Ange is. He's a decent player but certainly no better than anyone else we have and he was definitely over-priced.
It's defo a worry because I know we had the same judgement issues with Poch too. I really don't think the club can be blamed for backing Ange but I've got more faith in club choices than Ange's. We'll have to hope Solanke fits better than that. I have to say, most of the noise from people more tactically astute than I am say it's a marriage made in heaven. This guy at FourFourTwo seems to love it...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3l0IewKlLCw
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
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What rubbish.
This is a long term plan, not a poor start and you're out situation.
As for the "Ange's signing" bollox, he is not the sole decision maker nor the one who identifies players.
Some of you act as if he got here last summer and stamped his feet until he got Johnson and no one else wanted him And now Solankes an Ange signing......where are you even getting this info from. It's like it's said a few times and suddenly it became gospel.
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I don't think anyone is saying he has autonomy. It's just that most of the reports seem to suggest that, like BJ, Solanke was the one Ange wanted more than anyone else, aside from Neto. It's probably a case of "I like this guy because he'll fit perfectly into my system" and then the recruitment team will weigh up whether it's an astute purchase or not.
It's not crazy to suggest managers want certain players. You've only got to look at Ten Hag's signings for evidence that owners back managers with their preferred players. In order to function it has to be a bit of both. A few the manager likes and then a few that fit the club profile. That's the kind of compromise that allows these collective recruitment processes to function.
posted on 20/8/24
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 1 hour, 34 minutes ago
comment by Tarrico_sees_red (U5595)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Phenom (U20037)
posted 1 minute ago
am a bit concerned about Ange eye for a player
im hopefull Solanke will work out but if he flops and BJ carries on like, not only were these guys huge outlays, this it will cost us many points and places in the league
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Spot on!
Nobody ever mentions that Ange bought these players: BJ, Werner x 2, Veliz, Solomon… does he know what a decent attacker looks like????
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It's hard to tell how much he really wanted them in terms of the limitations of the club/Levy. I mean let's say Ange was managing City, do you think those are still the same players he'd want at City? We have to add into account the profile of player we target and we know Levy has some say in that.
That's not to remove accountability from Ange though as obviously he has been allowed to spend an awful lot of money on players he would have said yes to.
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The amount of money spent on both suggests these were buys sanctioned to support the manager with his own targets and not just club buys the manager accepted. For a kick off, the moves you'd list as club buys I'd say are the likes of Bergvall, Gray and Yang, amongst others because they're relatively cheap with a huge ceiling. BJ and Solanke feel more like Ange's specific targets purely on price tag and for Solanke in particular, age profile, with little sell on value.
I should say I'm not lumping Solanke in with BJ as we don't yet know how he'll fair but I'm yet to be convinced by BJ. He's good at changing a game from the bench but start him and he doesn't offer much at all. Problem is, the same could be said for Kulu.
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Yeah and Kulu on the other hand is one you'd categorise as a club buy rather than manager buy.
I agree they do seem more like Ange buys and from what I've heard he did want them. I'd still say we can't write BJ off just yet. His first season he did ok, not brilliant but alright. Solanke is one that does what it says on the tin. We needed a striker and we bought one that did well in the league last season. If he fails then it will fall on Ange's head, but I think most of us feel he was worthy of signing if for much more money than he should be.
Both expensive but Ange, if he is to last a while and go on to succeed with us, will be allowed to make a few misjudgments from time to time.
posted on 20/8/24
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 49 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 2 hours, 48 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by The Hybrid Postecogdoos (U10416)
posted 44 minutes ago
Same cr@p as last season, same mistakes, same wasted chances, didn’t look any different.
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Including the kneejerking fans
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We’ve been this bad since Christmas ffs. How on earth is that ‘knee jerking’?
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If we fail to beat Everton as well, then Ange should really start feeling the pressure and that's not knee jerking either. We all knew he needed a good start to this season.
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What rubbish.
This is a long term plan, not a poor start and you're out situation.
As for the "Ange's signing" bollox, he is not the sole decision maker nor the one who identifies players.
Some of you act as if he got here last summer and stamped his feet until he got Johnson and no one else wanted him And now Solankes an Ange signing......where are you even getting this info from. It's like it's said a few times and suddenly it became gospel.
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Well I didn't say he needed sacking but surely he should feel the pressure because with two very winnable games from our first 2, we should have expected more than if we can't win either, with the tough games then set to come.
The way the season finished last season means he left himself in a position to feel the pressure should he not get a good start. A long term plan is fine if there is progress being made. Carrying on the form of last season wouldn't be progress.
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