The instructions that he tells them to set up with on the training ground all week to perform on the big pitch come matchday.
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 55 minutes ago
The instructions that he tells them to set up with on the training ground all week to perform on the big pitch come matchday.
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You’re missing Redastomatoes point, he clearly stated that he believes it’s a formation issue and all you can waffle on about is “instructions”!
Maybe this is very simplistic but a basic instruction would be to the deepest midfielder not to take risks with any pass. If you are going to play a probing pass at least make sure you over hit it if you get it wrong.
Surely formation and instructions go hand in hand to get the team to perform to the best of its ability?
No-one can account for individual errors, and hopefully these are far and few between.
If the Liverpool game had been a one-off under-whelming performance, then we could just reset and move on from that.
But it was just an example of a lot of things that need fixing, most of which have been issues for a good while now.
We talk about style, formation, instructions, injuries, etc etc, but to make it really simplistic, do we think ETH is the right man for the job, because it all ends up being on him. Forget about whether he will get more time, because he WILL get a bit more time.
I can't see him turning it around, so just a case of when he goes. I think the vast majority feel the same, we are just counting down.
Ineos would have been aware that the first few months would be last-chance saloon territory - all that's happened is that they may need to consider other options a bit sooner than expected. And in the unlikelihood that ETH can turn it around, they can of course claim to be right to have showed patience etc......
Redastomatoes gets confused with semantics as well as writing anything that makes any sense.
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 37 minutes ago
Surely formation and instructions go hand in hand to get the team to perform to the best of its ability?
No-one can account for individual errors, and hopefully these are far and few between.
If the Liverpool game had been a one-off under-whelming performance, then we could just reset and move on from that.
But it was just an example of a lot of things that need fixing, most of which have been issues for a good while now.
We talk about style, formation, instructions, injuries, etc etc, but to make it really simplistic, do we think ETH is the right man for the job, because it all ends up being on him. Forget about whether he will get more time, because he WILL get a bit more time.
I can't see him turning it around, so just a case of when he goes. I think the vast majority feel the same, we are just counting down.
Ineos would have been aware that the first few months would be last-chance saloon territory - all that's happened is that they may need to consider other options a bit sooner than expected. And in the unlikelihood that ETH can turn it around, they can of course claim to be right to have showed patience etc......
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I don't think he's the right man for the job.
I hope he does prove me wrong though. I doubt he will but I'd love to be wrong. I did think we'd perhaps get a bounce after that FA Cup win but that hasn't really happened. Yes, we've been a bit better in terms of not being as open but the problems are still there.
I'll even go as far to say that right now I think Southgate would get more out of this squad than Erik. Perhaps he wouldn't be capable of getting us as high as Erik could at his absolute best but I'm sure the lows wouldn't be as low either and that we'd be more consistent. I await the abuse!
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
I'd have moyes back before Southgate
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 minutes ago
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
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Yes, I am. My thinking is that even the most basic of managers would set us up better. Rarely have we seen England battered under Southgate. Yes, I'm still annoyed after Sunday!
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
Maybe this is very simplistic but a basic instruction would be to the deepest midfielder not to take risks with any pass. If you are going to play a probing pass at least make sure you over hit it if you get it wrong.
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And dont get mugged off the ball. LoL
A managers instructions and information to his players are sometimes called 'tactics'.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 37 minutes ago
Surely formation and instructions go hand in hand to get the team to perform to the best of its ability?
No-one can account for individual errors, and hopefully these are far and few between.
If the Liverpool game had been a one-off under-whelming performance, then we could just reset and move on from that.
But it was just an example of a lot of things that need fixing, most of which have been issues for a good while now.
We talk about style, formation, instructions, injuries, etc etc, but to make it really simplistic, do we think ETH is the right man for the job, because it all ends up being on him. Forget about whether he will get more time, because he WILL get a bit more time.
I can't see him turning it around, so just a case of when he goes. I think the vast majority feel the same, we are just counting down.
Ineos would have been aware that the first few months would be last-chance saloon territory - all that's happened is that they may need to consider other options a bit sooner than expected. And in the unlikelihood that ETH can turn it around, they can of course claim to be right to have showed patience etc......
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I don't think he's the right man for the job.
I hope he does prove me wrong though. I doubt he will but I'd love to be wrong. I did think we'd perhaps get a bounce after that FA Cup win but that hasn't really happened. Yes, we've been a bit better in terms of not being as open but the problems are still there.
I'll even go as far to say that right now I think Southgate would get more out of this squad than Erik. Perhaps he wouldn't be capable of getting us as high as Erik could at his absolute best but I'm sure the lows wouldn't be as low either and that we'd be more consistent. I await the abuse!
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Honestly, I know what you mean, because you get the feeling that the players really try for Southgate and connect with him, in a way Erik doesn't. But the style of play under Southgate would rile me, but I'm not sure he would be much worse than Erik.
I would just like an Ange / Poch type manager, who can really connect with the players and get them playing in an attractive manner, and dare I say, enjoy playing. Of course we want to win titles etc, but we are nowhere near that and I just don't get a real togetherness about us.
I'm not calling for Southgate by the way! Even if I do feel his time as England manager is under appreciated by some.
I'm certain Erik has good ideas on how we want to play and knows as much about football as most top managers. What it looks like from here at present though is he's having difficulty getting the players to do what he wants.
Being a manager is more than just being good tactically IMO. It needs to be a bigger package. Perhaps the issue is with how he communicates his ideas?
RVN may end up being manager before the season ends and it's more than possible the players will be sent out with very similar instructions but that it will be communicated differently to them from a difference voice.
Hopefully more informed people than me will be making all the key decisions though and getting them right.
Saw this last night too and I must admit it made me laugh!
https://x.com/ManUtd/status/410048812980256770
Manchester United
@ManUtd
David Moyes says #mufc must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending.
2:10 PM · Dec 9, 2013
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I'm not calling for Southgate by the way! Even if I do feel his time as England manager is under appreciated by some.
I'm certain Erik has good ideas on how we want to play and knows as much about football as most top managers. What it looks like from here at present though is he's having difficulty getting the players to do what he wants.
Being a manager is more than just being good tactically IMO. It needs to be a bigger package. Perhaps the issue is with how he communicates his ideas?
RVN may end up being manager before the season ends and it's more than possible the players will be sent out with very similar instructions but that it will be communicated differently to them from a difference voice.
Hopefully more informed people than me will be making all the key decisions though and getting them right.
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I think his biggest problem is communication, hence why an Ange / Poch type manager for me. And I think because he has been so associated with dealing with a lot of the 'rubbish', it's hard to suddenly turn around and say, ok, now this is what I want you to do now.
It is there in front of us every week that the players aren't doing what he wants, because if they are, then we really are in trouble!!!!
I think the right kind of new manager will give us a natural boost, but it needs to be someone who has a certain presence and character to deal with that. I wonder if someone like RVN is that type of character.
It was a mistake to keep ETH, but understandable why they did, but just a matter of time to rectify that mistake and try someone else.
But picking the correct and new manager is always tough and you just don't know who will be the right choice.
I have always said that ETH was a good choice, but it just hasn't worked out how we would like. That happens most times in football.
Kinsang - yes I'd agree with that. I wanted Ten Hag and I thought after the League Cup win we were going places. The game the week after that did seem to knock the stuffing out of a lot of the players though. Funnily enough I thought we shaded the first half in that game too until we capitulated!
What's always made me unsure about EtH is his awkwardness, he doesn't seem like the most engaging person and that is a very important element of being a good manager. Getting players to believe in you, who are willing to 'die' for you is pretty essential because if you don't have the players on your side you'll never achieve anything.
I don't doubt he's cares deeply about the tactical side of things and knows his sh-t far more than any of us, but if you can't combine that with a good understanding of human emotions and sensibilities it more than often won't work. He's got a real georgraphy teacher about him, he's very stiff and stern and you can't imagine him having a joke with a player or arm around them when they need it.
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 minutes ago
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
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Yes, I am. My thinking is that even the most basic of managers would set us up better. Rarely have we seen England battered under Southgate. Yes, I'm still annoyed after Sunday!
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Tbf a lot of that is because England haven’t really come up against a team with such a disparity in their levels as United do at club level. We’ve been battered by loads of teams under every manager since Fergie. And that’s even when we’ve set up very defensively as well.
Ineos keep talking about this ‘game model’ they have about how we want to play and how we’ll recruit to supplement that. Given what we know of Southgate it goes against that perceived game model.
If and when Ten Hag goes, it’d make sense to appoint someone that can continue with the work he’s doing to try and change the team towards a more possession focused, high pressing team.
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 minutes ago
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
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Yes, I am. My thinking is that even the most basic of managers would set us up better. Rarely have we seen England battered under Southgate. Yes, I'm still annoyed after Sunday!
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Tbf a lot of that is because England haven’t really come up against a team with such a disparity in their levels as United do at club level. We’ve been battered by loads of teams under every manager since Fergie. And that’s even when we’ve set up very defensively as well.
Ineos keep talking about this ‘game model’ they have about how we want to play and how we’ll recruit to supplement that. Given what we know of Southgate it goes against that perceived game model.
If and when Ten Hag goes, it’d make sense to appoint someone that can continue with the work he’s doing to try and change the team towards a more possession focused, high pressing team.
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It's got to the stage where I'd even take being flat-track bullies now. I'm not advocating for Southgate but he did manage to play to par with England in that he usually beats the teams he should be beating with the resources he has at his disposal.
I know it'll require patience, and yes I was annoyed after Sunday, but we should be doing better than we are right now with what we've got surely. I do accept a real class forward would make a difference though as it did for Liverpool on Sunday.
I think Southgate is an excellent international manager, however, the United job is just a completely different thing altogether.
Personally I’m happy enough to have some patience with how things are going to go under the new ownership structure, as the squad has been a complete mess and needs big changes to get to where it’ll need to be to effectively play this kind of football.
I think people really understate how difficult this is going to be given how we’ve played for so long. For some context, I think this was the first time we’ve had more possession than Liverpool at Old Trafford since we battered them under LVG. I don’t want us to throw the baby out of the bath water after early signs of danger.
It's not necessarily the managers fault on buys.
ETH wanted a striker and got Zirkzee, Ashworth said to day it wasn't ETHs fault.
What he would have given for a RVN or a RVP or Ole.
Sunday would have been a lot closer
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Southgate is an excellent international manager, however, the United job is just a completely different thing altogether.
Personally I’m happy enough to have some patience with how things are going to go under the new ownership structure, as the squad has been a complete mess and needs big changes to get to where it’ll need to be to effectively play this kind of football.
I think people really understate how difficult this is going to be given how we’ve played for so long. For some context, I think this was the first time we’ve had more possession than Liverpool at Old Trafford since we battered them under LVG. I don’t want us to throw the baby out of the bath water after early signs of danger.
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Yes, I am know I'm a bit guilty of looking at the result and not the performance as such here but it's a bit of a case of it being the straw that broke the camel's back perhaps.
That’s your prerogative. I’m less concerned by the results as this early stage as I am with how we are approaching games.
I look at our players, both last season and the additions, and I think, ok, we don't have anyone truly world class, but there are still some decent players in there. We should be playing so much more attractively, the team should be looking a lot more coherent, and we should be capable of giving some teams a good doing - we seem to be grind grind grind, we should have a number of games where we are hammering the opposition by 3+ goals and just look unbeatable - there is none of that under ETH.
His effort is great, he cares deeply, but he just lacks certain skills.
I keep banging on about Ang and Poch, but right now that is the type of manager these players need, to enjoy the game and express themselves.
I genuinely don't think it is doing ETH any good being here - he needs a break also, because he has had a lot to cope with also, more than what most managers have.
Yes, I have stated in the past that I'd want the performances before the results but it seems I've failed the first test! If performances do get better through the season though then I'd expect the results to pick up too.
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posted on 2/9/24
The instructions that he tells them to set up with on the training ground all week to perform on the big pitch come matchday.
posted on 2/9/24
comment by RB&W - He kicked lumps out of them (U21434)
posted 55 minutes ago
The instructions that he tells them to set up with on the training ground all week to perform on the big pitch come matchday.
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You’re missing Redastomatoes point, he clearly stated that he believes it’s a formation issue and all you can waffle on about is “instructions”!
posted on 3/9/24
Maybe this is very simplistic but a basic instruction would be to the deepest midfielder not to take risks with any pass. If you are going to play a probing pass at least make sure you over hit it if you get it wrong.
posted on 3/9/24
Surely formation and instructions go hand in hand to get the team to perform to the best of its ability?
No-one can account for individual errors, and hopefully these are far and few between.
If the Liverpool game had been a one-off under-whelming performance, then we could just reset and move on from that.
But it was just an example of a lot of things that need fixing, most of which have been issues for a good while now.
We talk about style, formation, instructions, injuries, etc etc, but to make it really simplistic, do we think ETH is the right man for the job, because it all ends up being on him. Forget about whether he will get more time, because he WILL get a bit more time.
I can't see him turning it around, so just a case of when he goes. I think the vast majority feel the same, we are just counting down.
Ineos would have been aware that the first few months would be last-chance saloon territory - all that's happened is that they may need to consider other options a bit sooner than expected. And in the unlikelihood that ETH can turn it around, they can of course claim to be right to have showed patience etc......
posted on 3/9/24
Redastomatoes gets confused with semantics as well as writing anything that makes any sense.
posted on 3/9/24
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 37 minutes ago
Surely formation and instructions go hand in hand to get the team to perform to the best of its ability?
No-one can account for individual errors, and hopefully these are far and few between.
If the Liverpool game had been a one-off under-whelming performance, then we could just reset and move on from that.
But it was just an example of a lot of things that need fixing, most of which have been issues for a good while now.
We talk about style, formation, instructions, injuries, etc etc, but to make it really simplistic, do we think ETH is the right man for the job, because it all ends up being on him. Forget about whether he will get more time, because he WILL get a bit more time.
I can't see him turning it around, so just a case of when he goes. I think the vast majority feel the same, we are just counting down.
Ineos would have been aware that the first few months would be last-chance saloon territory - all that's happened is that they may need to consider other options a bit sooner than expected. And in the unlikelihood that ETH can turn it around, they can of course claim to be right to have showed patience etc......
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I don't think he's the right man for the job.
I hope he does prove me wrong though. I doubt he will but I'd love to be wrong. I did think we'd perhaps get a bounce after that FA Cup win but that hasn't really happened. Yes, we've been a bit better in terms of not being as open but the problems are still there.
I'll even go as far to say that right now I think Southgate would get more out of this squad than Erik. Perhaps he wouldn't be capable of getting us as high as Erik could at his absolute best but I'm sure the lows wouldn't be as low either and that we'd be more consistent. I await the abuse!
posted on 3/9/24
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
posted on 3/9/24
I'd have moyes back before Southgate
posted on 3/9/24
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 minutes ago
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
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Yes, I am. My thinking is that even the most basic of managers would set us up better. Rarely have we seen England battered under Southgate. Yes, I'm still annoyed after Sunday!
posted on 3/9/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 2 hours, 41 minutes ago
Maybe this is very simplistic but a basic instruction would be to the deepest midfielder not to take risks with any pass. If you are going to play a probing pass at least make sure you over hit it if you get it wrong.
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And dont get mugged off the ball. LoL
posted on 3/9/24
A managers instructions and information to his players are sometimes called 'tactics'.
posted on 3/9/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by kinsang (U3346)
posted 37 minutes ago
Surely formation and instructions go hand in hand to get the team to perform to the best of its ability?
No-one can account for individual errors, and hopefully these are far and few between.
If the Liverpool game had been a one-off under-whelming performance, then we could just reset and move on from that.
But it was just an example of a lot of things that need fixing, most of which have been issues for a good while now.
We talk about style, formation, instructions, injuries, etc etc, but to make it really simplistic, do we think ETH is the right man for the job, because it all ends up being on him. Forget about whether he will get more time, because he WILL get a bit more time.
I can't see him turning it around, so just a case of when he goes. I think the vast majority feel the same, we are just counting down.
Ineos would have been aware that the first few months would be last-chance saloon territory - all that's happened is that they may need to consider other options a bit sooner than expected. And in the unlikelihood that ETH can turn it around, they can of course claim to be right to have showed patience etc......
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I don't think he's the right man for the job.
I hope he does prove me wrong though. I doubt he will but I'd love to be wrong. I did think we'd perhaps get a bounce after that FA Cup win but that hasn't really happened. Yes, we've been a bit better in terms of not being as open but the problems are still there.
I'll even go as far to say that right now I think Southgate would get more out of this squad than Erik. Perhaps he wouldn't be capable of getting us as high as Erik could at his absolute best but I'm sure the lows wouldn't be as low either and that we'd be more consistent. I await the abuse!
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Honestly, I know what you mean, because you get the feeling that the players really try for Southgate and connect with him, in a way Erik doesn't. But the style of play under Southgate would rile me, but I'm not sure he would be much worse than Erik.
I would just like an Ange / Poch type manager, who can really connect with the players and get them playing in an attractive manner, and dare I say, enjoy playing. Of course we want to win titles etc, but we are nowhere near that and I just don't get a real togetherness about us.
posted on 3/9/24
I'm not calling for Southgate by the way! Even if I do feel his time as England manager is under appreciated by some.
I'm certain Erik has good ideas on how we want to play and knows as much about football as most top managers. What it looks like from here at present though is he's having difficulty getting the players to do what he wants.
Being a manager is more than just being good tactically IMO. It needs to be a bigger package. Perhaps the issue is with how he communicates his ideas?
RVN may end up being manager before the season ends and it's more than possible the players will be sent out with very similar instructions but that it will be communicated differently to them from a difference voice.
Hopefully more informed people than me will be making all the key decisions though and getting them right.
posted on 3/9/24
Saw this last night too and I must admit it made me laugh!
https://x.com/ManUtd/status/410048812980256770
Manchester United
@ManUtd
David Moyes says #mufc must improve in a number of areas, including passing, creating chances and defending.
2:10 PM · Dec 9, 2013
posted on 3/9/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 12 minutes ago
I'm not calling for Southgate by the way! Even if I do feel his time as England manager is under appreciated by some.
I'm certain Erik has good ideas on how we want to play and knows as much about football as most top managers. What it looks like from here at present though is he's having difficulty getting the players to do what he wants.
Being a manager is more than just being good tactically IMO. It needs to be a bigger package. Perhaps the issue is with how he communicates his ideas?
RVN may end up being manager before the season ends and it's more than possible the players will be sent out with very similar instructions but that it will be communicated differently to them from a difference voice.
Hopefully more informed people than me will be making all the key decisions though and getting them right.
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I think his biggest problem is communication, hence why an Ange / Poch type manager for me. And I think because he has been so associated with dealing with a lot of the 'rubbish', it's hard to suddenly turn around and say, ok, now this is what I want you to do now.
It is there in front of us every week that the players aren't doing what he wants, because if they are, then we really are in trouble!!!!
I think the right kind of new manager will give us a natural boost, but it needs to be someone who has a certain presence and character to deal with that. I wonder if someone like RVN is that type of character.
It was a mistake to keep ETH, but understandable why they did, but just a matter of time to rectify that mistake and try someone else.
But picking the correct and new manager is always tough and you just don't know who will be the right choice.
I have always said that ETH was a good choice, but it just hasn't worked out how we would like. That happens most times in football.
posted on 3/9/24
Kinsang - yes I'd agree with that. I wanted Ten Hag and I thought after the League Cup win we were going places. The game the week after that did seem to knock the stuffing out of a lot of the players though. Funnily enough I thought we shaded the first half in that game too until we capitulated!
posted on 3/9/24
What's always made me unsure about EtH is his awkwardness, he doesn't seem like the most engaging person and that is a very important element of being a good manager. Getting players to believe in you, who are willing to 'die' for you is pretty essential because if you don't have the players on your side you'll never achieve anything.
I don't doubt he's cares deeply about the tactical side of things and knows his sh-t far more than any of us, but if you can't combine that with a good understanding of human emotions and sensibilities it more than often won't work. He's got a real georgraphy teacher about him, he's very stiff and stern and you can't imagine him having a joke with a player or arm around them when they need it.
posted on 3/9/24
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 minutes ago
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
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Yes, I am. My thinking is that even the most basic of managers would set us up better. Rarely have we seen England battered under Southgate. Yes, I'm still annoyed after Sunday!
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Tbf a lot of that is because England haven’t really come up against a team with such a disparity in their levels as United do at club level. We’ve been battered by loads of teams under every manager since Fergie. And that’s even when we’ve set up very defensively as well.
Ineos keep talking about this ‘game model’ they have about how we want to play and how we’ll recruit to supplement that. Given what we know of Southgate it goes against that perceived game model.
If and when Ten Hag goes, it’d make sense to appoint someone that can continue with the work he’s doing to try and change the team towards a more possession focused, high pressing team.
posted on 3/9/24
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴 (U2462)
posted 1 hour, 15 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 26 minutes ago
You are aware Southgate hasnt managed club football in 15 years? I think he has attributes that suited him as a international manager but the tactical side of the game is completely different to what it was in 2009 when he was relegated with Boro.
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Yes, I am. My thinking is that even the most basic of managers would set us up better. Rarely have we seen England battered under Southgate. Yes, I'm still annoyed after Sunday!
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Tbf a lot of that is because England haven’t really come up against a team with such a disparity in their levels as United do at club level. We’ve been battered by loads of teams under every manager since Fergie. And that’s even when we’ve set up very defensively as well.
Ineos keep talking about this ‘game model’ they have about how we want to play and how we’ll recruit to supplement that. Given what we know of Southgate it goes against that perceived game model.
If and when Ten Hag goes, it’d make sense to appoint someone that can continue with the work he’s doing to try and change the team towards a more possession focused, high pressing team.
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It's got to the stage where I'd even take being flat-track bullies now. I'm not advocating for Southgate but he did manage to play to par with England in that he usually beats the teams he should be beating with the resources he has at his disposal.
I know it'll require patience, and yes I was annoyed after Sunday, but we should be doing better than we are right now with what we've got surely. I do accept a real class forward would make a difference though as it did for Liverpool on Sunday.
posted on 3/9/24
I think Southgate is an excellent international manager, however, the United job is just a completely different thing altogether.
Personally I’m happy enough to have some patience with how things are going to go under the new ownership structure, as the squad has been a complete mess and needs big changes to get to where it’ll need to be to effectively play this kind of football.
I think people really understate how difficult this is going to be given how we’ve played for so long. For some context, I think this was the first time we’ve had more possession than Liverpool at Old Trafford since we battered them under LVG. I don’t want us to throw the baby out of the bath water after early signs of danger.
posted on 3/9/24
It's not necessarily the managers fault on buys.
ETH wanted a striker and got Zirkzee, Ashworth said to day it wasn't ETHs fault.
What he would have given for a RVN or a RVP or Ole.
Sunday would have been a lot closer
posted on 3/9/24
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 6 minutes ago
I think Southgate is an excellent international manager, however, the United job is just a completely different thing altogether.
Personally I’m happy enough to have some patience with how things are going to go under the new ownership structure, as the squad has been a complete mess and needs big changes to get to where it’ll need to be to effectively play this kind of football.
I think people really understate how difficult this is going to be given how we’ve played for so long. For some context, I think this was the first time we’ve had more possession than Liverpool at Old Trafford since we battered them under LVG. I don’t want us to throw the baby out of the bath water after early signs of danger.
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Yes, I am know I'm a bit guilty of looking at the result and not the performance as such here but it's a bit of a case of it being the straw that broke the camel's back perhaps.
posted on 3/9/24
That’s your prerogative. I’m less concerned by the results as this early stage as I am with how we are approaching games.
posted on 3/9/24
I look at our players, both last season and the additions, and I think, ok, we don't have anyone truly world class, but there are still some decent players in there. We should be playing so much more attractively, the team should be looking a lot more coherent, and we should be capable of giving some teams a good doing - we seem to be grind grind grind, we should have a number of games where we are hammering the opposition by 3+ goals and just look unbeatable - there is none of that under ETH.
His effort is great, he cares deeply, but he just lacks certain skills.
I keep banging on about Ang and Poch, but right now that is the type of manager these players need, to enjoy the game and express themselves.
I genuinely don't think it is doing ETH any good being here - he needs a break also, because he has had a lot to cope with also, more than what most managers have.
posted on 3/9/24
Yes, I have stated in the past that I'd want the performances before the results but it seems I've failed the first test! If performances do get better through the season though then I'd expect the results to pick up too.
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