comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
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Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
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Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Italian football has never really recovered from the Juventus thing in 2006. Series A were the dominant force for 20 years up until then.
I know the PL has never been a dominant force but they could lose their 2nd or 3rd most dominant placing if they aren't careful with the city thing.
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EPL may loose its Farmers Leag tag n instedd b a Gong Farmer Leag
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Italian football has never really recovered from the Juventus thing in 2006. Series A were the dominant force for 20 years up until then.
I know the PL has never been a dominant force but they could lose their 2nd or 3rd most dominant placing if they aren't careful with the city thing.
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The PL had better go easy on City, that way the PL can remain dominant in watching Real Madrid win the CL each year
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
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Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
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Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
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The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
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Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
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Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
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The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
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Jai compris
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
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Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
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The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
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Jai compris
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D’accord
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
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The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
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Jai compris
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Sorry, sometimes I think in French, sometimes it's the English, French keyboard. Sometimes I'm being pretentious.
Future history actually tells us that Barcelona win the CL this season.
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
Future history actually tells us that Barcelona win the CL this season.
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That's so next year
An old Lewandowski wins the Ballon D'Or despite not scoring many goals. Justice for it being canceled in COVID. Yamal has many years to win his one they will say. Also they overlook Haaland's 45 PL goals this season because, you know...
I'd imagine they're likely guilty to some degree but will manage to make that impossible to prove and get away with a fine for not co-operating.
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Final point. City have been friendly enemies all my life, from Bert Trautman heroics, I need to rest here for a moment to explain he played with a broken neck in a cup final, it's certainly different now in most cases !, anyway I digress, Bell, Nelly, Franny ples a CB who hated us but I've forgotten his name, even Aguerro, I like them, Manchester is lucky to have two such clubs. Do while I think they should face a stiff sentence if guilty, I hope they are innocent.
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Mike Doyle i should think
Im with him
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Final point. City have been friendly enemies all my life, from Bert Trautman heroics, I need to rest here for a moment to explain he played with a broken neck in a cup final, it's certainly different now in most cases !, anyway I digress, Bell, Nelly, Franny ples a CB who hated us but I've forgotten his name, even Aguerro, I like them, Manchester is lucky to have two such clubs. Do while I think they should face a stiff sentence if guilty, I hope they are innocent.
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Mike Doyle i should think
Im with him
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That's the chap.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 49 minutes ago
The likeliest outcome is that City are found guilty of not co-operating.
Large fine/small points deduction.
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This from what I’ve read.
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It won’t be a points reduction if it’s just non co-operation.
I don’t think anyone can predict what the outcome is going to be though, there’s not enough in the public domain.
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Obstructing the investigation is a very serious offence.
Very good chance Cheaty get relegated for that alone.
The fact that everybody in world football sees every single City trophy win as entirely hollow is a fairly decent punishment tbh. They can’t enjoy it like other clubs could.
City will not be punished.
Not guilty of 115 charges
Not enough evidence will be the claim
As long as the authorities are paid off handsomely
The evidence will disappear
comment by Fred: Sign Someone!!!! (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
The fact that everybody in world football sees every single City trophy win as entirely hollow is a fairly decent punishment tbh. They can’t enjoy it like other clubs could.
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There was an emotional Arsenal fan on here last season - as far as he was concerned they won that title
Still one of my fave JA meltdowns
We just posted another loss of £115m, wouldn’t get too cocky.
comment by Fred: Sign Someone!!!! (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
The fact that everybody in world football sees every single City trophy win as entirely hollow is a fairly decent punishment tbh. They can’t enjoy it like other clubs could.
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Football is not lived retrospectively. City got to celebrate all of this titles at the time as everyone else does. You can't take those moments away from them now. That's why these things need to be stopped at the time and not years later.
For example, video evidence shows that England didn't actually beat Germany in 1966 yet everyone celebrated it at the time and I think even some English people still celebrate it now, even though it was proven to be invalid. You can punish retrospectively all you want but it is still football at the time that really matters.
This trial may prove that it is actually beneficial to cheat and then just take tne punishment years later cos it takes time to catch up with you. If trophies aren't stripped then it is officially beneficial to cheat.
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 49 minutes ago
The likeliest outcome is that City are found guilty of not co-operating.
Large fine/small points deduction.
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This from what I’ve read.
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It won’t be a points reduction if it’s just non co-operation.
I don’t think anyone can predict what the outcome is going to be though, there’s not enough in the public domain.
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Obstructing the investigation is a very serious offence.
Very good chance Cheaty get relegated for that alone.
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Absolutely no chance that would happen.
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
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Technically yes but City would still be complicit obviously. Considering some of the evidence, if corroborated, the people requesting the funds knew where it was coming from but requested it show it came from a different source as they weren't allowed to receive more funds from the actual source of the funds.
People saying if they are guilty of saying 30-50 charges......
They ARE already guilty of 35 as those ones relate to not complying with the PL investigation and handing over sufficient evidence rather than breaking any of the rules.
So 35 is probably the best they are going to do here. 😂
10 weeks of this now, guess we'll find out the verdict in January
comment by House - (U17162)
posted 2 minutes ago
10 weeks of this now, guess we'll find out the verdict in January
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It will be in Spring apparently.
its disgusting all they can do to clubs clearly refusing to cooperate is fine them. Of which City have done to Uefa and the PL. Surely they need to be able to punish clubs instantly if they refuse to cooperate or delay? esp after the PL had to go get a high court judge to order City to hand over documents
Imo if you refuse to do that you should be suspended from the competition until they do. Even City fans surely dont defend them refusing to cooperate with the powers that be?
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posted on 12/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
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Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 2 minutes ago
Italian football has never really recovered from the Juventus thing in 2006. Series A were the dominant force for 20 years up until then.
I know the PL has never been a dominant force but they could lose their 2nd or 3rd most dominant placing if they aren't careful with the city thing.
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EPL may loose its Farmers Leag tag n instedd b a Gong Farmer Leag
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 1 minute ago
Italian football has never really recovered from the Juventus thing in 2006. Series A were the dominant force for 20 years up until then.
I know the PL has never been a dominant force but they could lose their 2nd or 3rd most dominant placing if they aren't careful with the city thing.
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The PL had better go easy on City, that way the PL can remain dominant in watching Real Madrid win the CL each year
posted on 12/9/24
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
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Jai compris
posted on 12/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jai compris
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D’accord
posted on 12/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
Jai compris
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Sorry, sometimes I think in French, sometimes it's the English, French keyboard. Sometimes I'm being pretentious.
posted on 12/9/24
Future history actually tells us that Barcelona win the CL this season.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Michel Pageaud (U1734)
posted 1 second ago
Future history actually tells us that Barcelona win the CL this season.
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That's so next year
posted on 12/9/24
An old Lewandowski wins the Ballon D'Or despite not scoring many goals. Justice for it being canceled in COVID. Yamal has many years to win his one they will say. Also they overlook Haaland's 45 PL goals this season because, you know...
posted on 12/9/24
I'd imagine they're likely guilty to some degree but will manage to make that impossible to prove and get away with a fine for not co-operating.
posted on 12/9/24
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Final point. City have been friendly enemies all my life, from Bert Trautman heroics, I need to rest here for a moment to explain he played with a broken neck in a cup final, it's certainly different now in most cases !, anyway I digress, Bell, Nelly, Franny ples a CB who hated us but I've forgotten his name, even Aguerro, I like them, Manchester is lucky to have two such clubs. Do while I think they should face a stiff sentence if guilty, I hope they are innocent.
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Mike Doyle i should think
Im with him
posted on 12/9/24
comment by Paulpowersleftfoot world champions and founder members of the 115 club (U1037)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
Final point. City have been friendly enemies all my life, from Bert Trautman heroics, I need to rest here for a moment to explain he played with a broken neck in a cup final, it's certainly different now in most cases !, anyway I digress, Bell, Nelly, Franny ples a CB who hated us but I've forgotten his name, even Aguerro, I like them, Manchester is lucky to have two such clubs. Do while I think they should face a stiff sentence if guilty, I hope they are innocent.
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Mike Doyle i should think
Im with him
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That's the chap.
posted on 13/9/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 49 minutes ago
The likeliest outcome is that City are found guilty of not co-operating.
Large fine/small points deduction.
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This from what I’ve read.
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It won’t be a points reduction if it’s just non co-operation.
I don’t think anyone can predict what the outcome is going to be though, there’s not enough in the public domain.
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Obstructing the investigation is a very serious offence.
Very good chance Cheaty get relegated for that alone.
posted on 13/9/24
The fact that everybody in world football sees every single City trophy win as entirely hollow is a fairly decent punishment tbh. They can’t enjoy it like other clubs could.
posted on 13/9/24
City will not be punished.
Not guilty of 115 charges
Not enough evidence will be the claim
As long as the authorities are paid off handsomely
The evidence will disappear
posted on 13/9/24
comment by Fred: Sign Someone!!!! (U3979)
posted 1 hour, 42 minutes ago
The fact that everybody in world football sees every single City trophy win as entirely hollow is a fairly decent punishment tbh. They can’t enjoy it like other clubs could.
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There was an emotional Arsenal fan on here last season - as far as he was concerned they won that title
Still one of my fave JA meltdowns
posted on 13/9/24
We just posted another loss of £115m, wouldn’t get too cocky.
posted on 13/9/24
comment by Fred: Sign Someone!!!! (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 9 minutes ago
The fact that everybody in world football sees every single City trophy win as entirely hollow is a fairly decent punishment tbh. They can’t enjoy it like other clubs could.
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Football is not lived retrospectively. City got to celebrate all of this titles at the time as everyone else does. You can't take those moments away from them now. That's why these things need to be stopped at the time and not years later.
For example, video evidence shows that England didn't actually beat Germany in 1966 yet everyone celebrated it at the time and I think even some English people still celebrate it now, even though it was proven to be invalid. You can punish retrospectively all you want but it is still football at the time that really matters.
This trial may prove that it is actually beneficial to cheat and then just take tne punishment years later cos it takes time to catch up with you. If trophies aren't stripped then it is officially beneficial to cheat.
posted on 13/9/24
comment by WeekendOffender (U22920)
posted 3 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 9 hours, 15 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Barf Vader (U15867)
posted 49 minutes ago
The likeliest outcome is that City are found guilty of not co-operating.
Large fine/small points deduction.
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This from what I’ve read.
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It won’t be a points reduction if it’s just non co-operation.
I don’t think anyone can predict what the outcome is going to be though, there’s not enough in the public domain.
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Obstructing the investigation is a very serious offence.
Very good chance Cheaty get relegated for that alone.
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Absolutely no chance that would happen.
posted on 13/9/24
comment by meltonblue (U10617)
posted 11 hours, 16 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 29 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by manusince52 (U9692)
posted 2 minutes ago
I'm very unsure either way.
We live in a free capitalist country, they have broken no laws, they have used their riches to buy success like many before them.
On the other hand football is the peoples sport ,the working man's sport. It was becoming more and more a rich man's play thing or investment.
Working men find it hard to afford.
Thinking back to the days of Ray, Mick and myself it wasn't out of reach.
So the second paragraph is where I stand, so an exemplary punishment should be made.
Sorry Boris, Melts et Al, but it's how I feel.
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Whether they have broken laws or not is what the case is about. They're bound by the laws of the competitions they compete in but more than that if found guilty then they could face charges in regards to laws of the country they compete in, I'd imagine as they'd have been found the have falsified accounts submitted to HMRC.
No idea how you can say they have broken no laws. This is what is to be determined.
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Because using your wealth to buy success is not illegal, but I'm sure they've broken EPL rules. Laws of the country I've no idea, but that's what the charges are about. If it's also illegal then they face a different court and punishment.
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Falsifying accounts is illegal. HMRC could potentially look into this if City are found guilty and the evidence is enough for them to pursue it.
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The falsified accounts would be at the sponsors, not at City. There’s no question the money got to city, it’s the source that’s been questioned.
Hence why it’s a PL investigation and it wasn’t handed over years ago.
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Technically yes but City would still be complicit obviously. Considering some of the evidence, if corroborated, the people requesting the funds knew where it was coming from but requested it show it came from a different source as they weren't allowed to receive more funds from the actual source of the funds.
posted on 13/9/24
People saying if they are guilty of saying 30-50 charges......
They ARE already guilty of 35 as those ones relate to not complying with the PL investigation and handing over sufficient evidence rather than breaking any of the rules.
So 35 is probably the best they are going to do here. 😂
posted on 13/9/24
10 weeks of this now, guess we'll find out the verdict in January
posted on 13/9/24
comment by House - (U17162)
posted 2 minutes ago
10 weeks of this now, guess we'll find out the verdict in January
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It will be in Spring apparently.
posted on 13/9/24
its disgusting all they can do to clubs clearly refusing to cooperate is fine them. Of which City have done to Uefa and the PL. Surely they need to be able to punish clubs instantly if they refuse to cooperate or delay? esp after the PL had to go get a high court judge to order City to hand over documents
Imo if you refuse to do that you should be suspended from the competition until they do. Even City fans surely dont defend them refusing to cooperate with the powers that be?
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