comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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The Leicester game alone we had enough chances to win 4 matches.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
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Doesn’t mean we don’t miss ample chances - again I refer to the Everton game
We missed 3/THREE one on one opportunities.
Leicester - there was a magnet in the ball that seemed to just arrow straight at their keeper - our finishing is diminishing.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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The Leicester game alone we had enough chances to win 4 matches.
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Well Leicester aren't very good either. We will create good chances against these teams. Obviously another part of the problem is our forwards aren't great.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
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Doesn’t mean we don’t miss ample chances - again I refer to the Everton game
We missed 3/THREE one on one opportunities.
Leicester - there was a magnet in the ball that seemed to just arrow straight at their keeper - our finishing is diminishing.
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The majority of our chances are seemingly falling to Solanke, who is still finding his feet with us and may or may not turn out good, and BJ, who enough evidence is showing, can't really hack it in front of goal.
On top of that you have Kulu who keeps making wrong decisions in good areas, and Son who is kind of off it and doesn't find himself in the good positions to score that the above two guys do.
So yeah, we need better quality up front when we do ever manage to get in good possibilities to score.
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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The Leicester game alone we had enough chances to win 4 matches.
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Well Leicester aren't very good either. We will create good chances against these teams. Obviously another part of the problem is our forwards aren't great.
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And yet you just said “it why we’re getting wins against the relegation fodder”
But we didn’t, because despite creating enough chances to be 4-0 up, we were only 1-0 up after our right back showed the forwards how it’s done and then we pizzzed it away by not marking Vardy and continuing to miss - the Richarlison header being laughably bad.
We’ve scored 6 goals - 2 by defender, 1 own goal, 1 by a DM and Son has bagged twice - 1 of those being an open goal.
We cannot finish chances
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posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
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Doesn’t mean we don’t miss ample chances - again I refer to the Everton game
We missed 3/THREE one on one opportunities.
Leicester - there was a magnet in the ball that seemed to just arrow straight at their keeper - our finishing is diminishing.
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The majority of our chances are seemingly falling to Solanke, who is still finding his feet with us and may or may not turn out good, and BJ, who enough evidence is showing, can't really hack it in front of goal.
On top of that you have Kulu who keeps making wrong decisions in good areas, and Son who is kind of off it and doesn't find himself in the good positions to score that the above two guys do.
So yeah, we need better quality up front when we do ever manage to get in good possibilities to score.
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I know, it’s why I’ve being saying finishing is going backwards under this manager - along with defending from set pieces.
I’m sure he will be along soon to tell the fans that it is our fault for not having a winning attitude though
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
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I don't agree, and if it floats your boat the data doesn't support that, We are about even with our open-play xG.
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posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
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I don't agree, and if it floats your boat the data doesn't support that, We are about even with our open-play xG.
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It’s fine to disagree, but I know what I have seen, we’re creating sufficiently and missing horrendously
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comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
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comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
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I don't agree, and if it floats your boat the data doesn't support that, We are about even with our open-play xG.
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It’s fine to disagree, but I know what I have seen, we’re creating sufficiently and missing horrendously
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Even yesterday:
Spurs - 15 shots, 5 on target, 0 goals
Arsenal - 7 shots, 4 on target, 1 goal
That’s the story right there
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
Ange won't last past Autumn I suspect. Reckon Levy already has sounded Southgate out.
Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.
Against Newcastle we had a few overloads and got into some very good positions but we lacked the inventiveness or incisiveness that even some average teams have. Either the wrong choice of pass or poor weighted pass but we actually played well in that game. issue is when we loose or concede in the same manner week in week out the clueless can’t see the wood from the trees and focus on the result. The team is not far off but lacking up front due to poor recruitment.
“ Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.”
As an outsider, I find you’re great at transitioning from defence to attack, but as you say tend to create little when considering some of the Greta positions you take up.
I think finishing has been an issue too but that won’t really hold when you’ve got solanke, son and Maddison who are all capable.
I think it is largely a mentality issue, and you just need to find that gem of a player to take you up a level, like Bale did. We’re in a bit of a similar position tbh, in that we do create enough but the conversion rate isnt there.
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 5 minutes ago
Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.
Against Newcastle we had a few overloads and got into some very good positions but we lacked the inventiveness or incisiveness that even some average teams have. Either the wrong choice of pass or poor weighted pass but we actually played well in that game. issue is when we loose or concede in the same manner week in week out the clueless can’t see the wood from the trees and focus on the result. The team is not far off but lacking up front due to poor recruitment.
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You cite the lack of creativity in the Newcastle game - a game we had 20 shots in - but only 6 on target.
That is our problem right there - well alongside being too easy to score against, whether it be a suicidal high line, set pieces or Romero clowning around
Strike, you're going all hafi on us. The shots you're taking are quarter chances or half chances. Even against Everton, it was a thunderbolt from bissouma that broke them down.
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
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How many sides in the last 3 seasons (post takeover) have managed to create 20 shooting opportunities away to Newcastle? We’re talking a shot every 4.5 mins.
We’re in elite company
The problem is we’re only putting 30% on target.
Now is there an argument that we shouldn’t be taking some of those shots on - I would say almost definitely given the high number. But that in itself is another problem - why are we shooting so much given how poor we are at it?
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
Strike, you're going all hafi on us. The shots you're taking are quarter chances or half chances. Even against Everton, it was a thunderbolt from bissouma that broke them down.
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Agreed
But we also missed 3 one on ones in that game.
And anyone who watched the Leicester game will have seen Solanke miss 2 gilt edged chances and Johnson and Richy 1 a piece.
I happily admit yesterday we didn’t create anything too meaningful - but still had 15 shots - so again, why shoot when we’re so faaacking bad at it?
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
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comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
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How many sides in the last 3 seasons (post takeover) have managed to create 20 shooting opportunities away to Newcastle? We’re talking a shot every 4.5 mins.
We’re in elite company
The problem is we’re only putting 30% on target.
Now is there an argument that we shouldn’t be taking some of those shots on - I would say almost definitely given the high number. But that in itself is another problem - why are we shooting so much given how poor we are at it?
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But again, speculative shots don’t mean a great deal when there’s such a low chance of scoring.
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
“ Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.”
As an outsider, I find you’re great at transitioning from defence to attack, but as you say tend to create little when considering some of the Greta positions you take up.
I think finishing has been an issue too but that won’t really hold when you’ve got solanke, son and Maddison who are all capable.
I think it is largely a mentality issue, and you just need to find that gem of a player to take you up a level, like Bale did. We’re in a bit of a similar position tbh, in that we do create enough but the conversion rate isnt there.
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There is def a mentality issue, not sure it affects our conversion rate.
It definitely affects our defensive abilities, we just switch off at times.
I think the wider issue is chances falling to BJ, Richy, Werner - who can’t hit a cows aerse with a banjo
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
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comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
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comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
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How many sides in the last 3 seasons (post takeover) have managed to create 20 shooting opportunities away to Newcastle? We’re talking a shot every 4.5 mins.
We’re in elite company
The problem is we’re only putting 30% on target.
Now is there an argument that we shouldn’t be taking some of those shots on - I would say almost definitely given the high number. But that in itself is another problem - why are we shooting so much given how poor we are at it?
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But again, speculative shots don’t mean a great deal when there’s such a low chance of scoring.
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Agreed, but like I’ve said - that wasn’t the case against Everton and Leicester.
It was the case yesterday
And Newcastle - I don’t know, I thought we missed a couple of very presentable chances.
The point is though if these chances are all so poor, then why are we doing it 20 times up at Newcastle - even the goal we got was an own goal
I think you have to delve much deeper into the stats.
Our xg is mid table.
When you look at deeper stats of the game like clearances we was the one under more pressure against Arsenal.
Against Newcastle great amount of shots. Until you delve deeper and see 7 shots were by pedro porro in his usual ridiculous shooting positions.
Possession, area percentages, field tilt they all look good until you realise it comes to nothing.
We would need Harry Kane to convert chances that are not really chances to stand any chance under the Aussie Ardilles.
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posted on 16/9/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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The Leicester game alone we had enough chances to win 4 matches.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
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Doesn’t mean we don’t miss ample chances - again I refer to the Everton game
We missed 3/THREE one on one opportunities.
Leicester - there was a magnet in the ball that seemed to just arrow straight at their keeper - our finishing is diminishing.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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The Leicester game alone we had enough chances to win 4 matches.
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Well Leicester aren't very good either. We will create good chances against these teams. Obviously another part of the problem is our forwards aren't great.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
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Doesn’t mean we don’t miss ample chances - again I refer to the Everton game
We missed 3/THREE one on one opportunities.
Leicester - there was a magnet in the ball that seemed to just arrow straight at their keeper - our finishing is diminishing.
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The majority of our chances are seemingly falling to Solanke, who is still finding his feet with us and may or may not turn out good, and BJ, who enough evidence is showing, can't really hack it in front of goal.
On top of that you have Kulu who keeps making wrong decisions in good areas, and Son who is kind of off it and doesn't find himself in the good positions to score that the above two guys do.
So yeah, we need better quality up front when we do ever manage to get in good possibilities to score.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 4 minutes ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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The Leicester game alone we had enough chances to win 4 matches.
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Well Leicester aren't very good either. We will create good chances against these teams. Obviously another part of the problem is our forwards aren't great.
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And yet you just said “it why we’re getting wins against the relegation fodder”
But we didn’t, because despite creating enough chances to be 4-0 up, we were only 1-0 up after our right back showed the forwards how it’s done and then we pizzzed it away by not marking Vardy and continuing to miss - the Richarlison header being laughably bad.
We’ve scored 6 goals - 2 by defender, 1 own goal, 1 by a DM and Son has bagged twice - 1 of those being an open goal.
We cannot finish chances
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 53 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 33 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 54 seconds ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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It's why we're getting wins against the relegation fodder and not against anyone else. Because having such poor defences that have led them to being near the bottom of the table, we can get away with it and create the chances to score. The better more organised teams can work us out and reduce us to not really having a clue outside of their boxes.
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Doesn’t mean we don’t miss ample chances - again I refer to the Everton game
We missed 3/THREE one on one opportunities.
Leicester - there was a magnet in the ball that seemed to just arrow straight at their keeper - our finishing is diminishing.
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The majority of our chances are seemingly falling to Solanke, who is still finding his feet with us and may or may not turn out good, and BJ, who enough evidence is showing, can't really hack it in front of goal.
On top of that you have Kulu who keeps making wrong decisions in good areas, and Son who is kind of off it and doesn't find himself in the good positions to score that the above two guys do.
So yeah, we need better quality up front when we do ever manage to get in good possibilities to score.
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I know, it’s why I’ve being saying finishing is going backwards under this manager - along with defending from set pieces.
I’m sure he will be along soon to tell the fans that it is our fault for not having a winning attitude though
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
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I don't agree, and if it floats your boat the data doesn't support that, We are about even with our open-play xG.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
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I don't agree, and if it floats your boat the data doesn't support that, We are about even with our open-play xG.
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It’s fine to disagree, but I know what I have seen, we’re creating sufficiently and missing horrendously
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 0 seconds ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Spurtle (U1608)
posted 42 seconds ago
A side that misses chance after chance.
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I'm not seeing this. I'm seeing a side that is struggling to create good chance after good chance. We fail to really test the opposition's keeper. It's like we can't figure out the answers. The players play it narrow and keep looking to cut in when it goes wide. As a result they're usually easily dealt with. Crosses from wide when they come in are often too poor to make any difference.
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Yeah I agree, we get in loads of quality positions with 1v1 opportunities out wide or overloads in the box etc and get very poor quality chances out of this. The finishing isn't an issue.
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Go back and watch the Leicester and actually the Everton game as well.
We missed 3 one on ones at home to Everton.
Johnson and Solanke missed howlers at Leicester
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I don't agree, and if it floats your boat the data doesn't support that, We are about even with our open-play xG.
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It’s fine to disagree, but I know what I have seen, we’re creating sufficiently and missing horrendously
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Even yesterday:
Spurs - 15 shots, 5 on target, 0 goals
Arsenal - 7 shots, 4 on target, 1 goal
That’s the story right there
posted on 16/9/24
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
posted on 16/9/24
Ange won't last past Autumn I suspect. Reckon Levy already has sounded Southgate out.
posted on 16/9/24
Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.
Against Newcastle we had a few overloads and got into some very good positions but we lacked the inventiveness or incisiveness that even some average teams have. Either the wrong choice of pass or poor weighted pass but we actually played well in that game. issue is when we loose or concede in the same manner week in week out the clueless can’t see the wood from the trees and focus on the result. The team is not far off but lacking up front due to poor recruitment.
posted on 16/9/24
“ Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.”
As an outsider, I find you’re great at transitioning from defence to attack, but as you say tend to create little when considering some of the Greta positions you take up.
I think finishing has been an issue too but that won’t really hold when you’ve got solanke, son and Maddison who are all capable.
I think it is largely a mentality issue, and you just need to find that gem of a player to take you up a level, like Bale did. We’re in a bit of a similar position tbh, in that we do create enough but the conversion rate isnt there.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Spurs-To Dream is to Dare (U12707)
posted 5 minutes ago
Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.
Against Newcastle we had a few overloads and got into some very good positions but we lacked the inventiveness or incisiveness that even some average teams have. Either the wrong choice of pass or poor weighted pass but we actually played well in that game. issue is when we loose or concede in the same manner week in week out the clueless can’t see the wood from the trees and focus on the result. The team is not far off but lacking up front due to poor recruitment.
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You cite the lack of creativity in the Newcastle game - a game we had 20 shots in - but only 6 on target.
That is our problem right there - well alongside being too easy to score against, whether it be a suicidal high line, set pieces or Romero clowning around
posted on 16/9/24
Strike, you're going all hafi on us. The shots you're taking are quarter chances or half chances. Even against Everton, it was a thunderbolt from bissouma that broke them down.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
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How many sides in the last 3 seasons (post takeover) have managed to create 20 shooting opportunities away to Newcastle? We’re talking a shot every 4.5 mins.
We’re in elite company
The problem is we’re only putting 30% on target.
Now is there an argument that we shouldn’t be taking some of those shots on - I would say almost definitely given the high number. But that in itself is another problem - why are we shooting so much given how poor we are at it?
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Tu Meke (U3732)
posted 3 minutes ago
Strike, you're going all hafi on us. The shots you're taking are quarter chances or half chances. Even against Everton, it was a thunderbolt from bissouma that broke them down.
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Agreed
But we also missed 3 one on ones in that game.
And anyone who watched the Leicester game will have seen Solanke miss 2 gilt edged chances and Johnson and Richy 1 a piece.
I happily admit yesterday we didn’t create anything too meaningful - but still had 15 shots - so again, why shoot when we’re so faaacking bad at it?
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
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How many sides in the last 3 seasons (post takeover) have managed to create 20 shooting opportunities away to Newcastle? We’re talking a shot every 4.5 mins.
We’re in elite company
The problem is we’re only putting 30% on target.
Now is there an argument that we shouldn’t be taking some of those shots on - I would say almost definitely given the high number. But that in itself is another problem - why are we shooting so much given how poor we are at it?
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But again, speculative shots don’t mean a great deal when there’s such a low chance of scoring.
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
“ Firstly there is poor finishing but our main issue is the lack of creativity when we get into good positions.”
As an outsider, I find you’re great at transitioning from defence to attack, but as you say tend to create little when considering some of the Greta positions you take up.
I think finishing has been an issue too but that won’t really hold when you’ve got solanke, son and Maddison who are all capable.
I think it is largely a mentality issue, and you just need to find that gem of a player to take you up a level, like Bale did. We’re in a bit of a similar position tbh, in that we do create enough but the conversion rate isnt there.
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There is def a mentality issue, not sure it affects our conversion rate.
It definitely affects our defensive abilities, we just switch off at times.
I think the wider issue is chances falling to BJ, Richy, Werner - who can’t hit a cows aerse with a banjo
posted on 16/9/24
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Joshua The King Of Kings Zirkzee (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 12 minutes ago
Tottenham vs Newcastle
Newcastle - 9 shots, 3 on target, 2 goals
Tottenham - 20 shots, 6 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham vs Leicester
Leicester - 7 shots, 3 on target, 1 goal
Tottenham - 15 shots, 7 on target, 1 goal
Take your faaaacking chances lads
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Tbf that doesn’t really reflect the quality of chances. Spurs are having lots of shots but not creating good chances from what I’ve seen. I’m sure if you looked at the stats that measure quality of chances this season that would be reflected there as well, not the amount of shots.
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How many sides in the last 3 seasons (post takeover) have managed to create 20 shooting opportunities away to Newcastle? We’re talking a shot every 4.5 mins.
We’re in elite company
The problem is we’re only putting 30% on target.
Now is there an argument that we shouldn’t be taking some of those shots on - I would say almost definitely given the high number. But that in itself is another problem - why are we shooting so much given how poor we are at it?
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But again, speculative shots don’t mean a great deal when there’s such a low chance of scoring.
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Agreed, but like I’ve said - that wasn’t the case against Everton and Leicester.
It was the case yesterday
And Newcastle - I don’t know, I thought we missed a couple of very presentable chances.
The point is though if these chances are all so poor, then why are we doing it 20 times up at Newcastle - even the goal we got was an own goal
posted on 16/9/24
I think you have to delve much deeper into the stats.
Our xg is mid table.
When you look at deeper stats of the game like clearances we was the one under more pressure against Arsenal.
Against Newcastle great amount of shots. Until you delve deeper and see 7 shots were by pedro porro in his usual ridiculous shooting positions.
Possession, area percentages, field tilt they all look good until you realise it comes to nothing.
We would need Harry Kane to convert chances that are not really chances to stand any chance under the Aussie Ardilles.
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