comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
I agreed with most of Corbyn's agenda, but I could never vote for a yoghurt knitter.
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I read this before what it was replying to and was thinking WTF is RR typing?! 🤣🤣🤣

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 23 minutes ago
I'm sure there will continue to be elections in the States. Putin's Russia has elections. The issue is that they are unlikely to be fair and genuinely competitive ones. There is already a huge amount of voter suppression and gerrymandering happening, overwhelmingly in Red states. This has occurred without a determined effort by the federal government to dismantle safeguards. We're also only just at the beginning of the systemic change in our information systems, with AI ready to further blur the distinction between reality and fantasy, and we've just seen the billionaire owners of key media platforms either enthusiastically support Trump through data harvesting, boosting propaganda and suppressing dissenting voices, or being reticent to hold Trump to account (e.g. Washington Post and LA Times broke with precedent in not endorsing a candidate, against the will of the editorial staff).

I don't believe the USA will turn into a fully authoritarian state overnight. I don't think it's inevitable that the Democrats cannot win back power in 2028. But you'd have to be desperately naive to believe that the election will be run as fairly as elections in the past. And we should also factor in the point that authoritarians use lots of levers to manufacture consent - creating fear of dissent, media control, weaponising the legal system to undermine opposition figures, etc. Sure, in Russia they almost certainly corrupt the vote counting process. But a hell of a lot of Russians do cast their vote for Putin - and that doesn't mean the elections are free, fair and offering a genuine choice.
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On the media owners backing trump aka Elon Musk. Did you care when 99% of donation by employees of former Twitter were to the Democrats? Or when Facebook (zuckers and his wife I mean) donated a fk ton of money to two non profit governmental organisations

Or is it just when support goes in a different way to you that you care and worry about democracy?


Why are elections “unlikely to be fair”? That’s just a statement with nothing behind it mate.

Define and flesh out “huge amount of voter suppression” again just another sweeping statement with nothing of substance to it. If you’re going to reference Voter ID then I will disappointed to hear said red herring which has been repeated and repeated so often. The reason why it’s a red herring is that when you consider ALL of the things that require you to have ID (rent, government support, Medicare, a bank account, mortgages, a job, alcohol, guns the list goes on). I wonder what other forms of voter suppression you might be thinking of.


I agree with AI being a hell of a mess that we will have to deal with, social media has been just as bad in the past ten years say

You say it’s naive to think that the next elections won’t be fair (as in the same as they are now) but again that’s just another sweeping statement. You’re making a prediction, a guess on what might happen 4 years from now and anyone that doesn’t agree with you is naive? Cmon that’s just silly. For one, prediction beyond two years is incredibly unsuccessful akin to pure guesswork.

“authoritarians use lots of levers to manufacture consent - creating fear of dissent, media control, weaponising the legal system to undermine opposition figures, etc”

You say this as if all of that does not apply to the Democratic Party.

Fear of dissent - check
Media control - check (only now that twitter doesn’t exist but google & Facebook and formerly twitter were all influenced and/or backing the democrats)
Weaponising the legal system - check



I may well be proven wrong in 4 years and Trump pushes something through that allows him to have a third term. But I’d happily wager on that with anyone here.

Yes Putin has been in power for 25 years but what you’re talking about is something that has not happened in the US since the civil war which ended 160 years ago.

I’m not after an antagonistic exchange, just want you just flesh out your statements a bit because at the moment they’re meaningless conjecture.

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Weaponising the legal system

Trump is a criminal and the charges against him are fair and deserved. You're arguing against authoritarianism but Trump should be above the law?

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
I agreed with most of Corbyn's agenda, but I could never vote for a yoghurt knitter.
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I read this before what it was replying to and was thinking WTF is RR typing?! 🤣🤣🤣
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Yoghurt knitter; A left wing, environmentalist or hippie person

That’s Wiktionary’s definition

comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 47 seconds ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
I agreed with most of Corbyn's agenda, but I could never vote for a yoghurt knitter.
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I read this before what it was replying to and was thinking WTF is RR typing?! 🤣🤣🤣
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Yoghurt knitter; A left wing, environmentalist or hippie person

That’s Wiktionary’s definition
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Wiktionary would say that, the mung-bean-marrying fools.

comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 5 minutes ago
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Corbyb wanted to dismantle trident - he became unelectable as soon as that came out. First and foremost, people will prioritise their safety. “Strongmen” like Trump and Putin offer that - no matter how misguided.

Corbyn on the other hand was painted as some cardigan wearing, yoghurt knitting, tree hugging hippy that wanted to remove our greatest war/invasion deterrent and cosied up to our enemies in the Middle East.

This is why Labour are so middle ground now, no one is electing Jeremy Corbyn
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I know you weren't trying to prove my point, but... thanks anyway!
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I just summarised. With Putin and that lad in North Korea around, and enemies in the Middle East - populace’s feel better knowing they have a deterrent that will stop these guys in their tracks.

Corbyn and whoever was advising him was faaacking stupid for not ever being clear that he would not scrap trident

comment by Striketeam7 - staying humble (U18109)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 8 minutes ago
I agreed with most of Corbyn's agenda, but I could never vote for a yoghurt knitter.
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I read this before what it was replying to and was thinking WTF is RR typing?! 🤣🤣🤣
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Yoghurt knitter; A left wing, environmentalist or hippie person

That’s Wiktionary’s definition
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Oh hahahaha what a phrase!!

Why are elections “unlikely to be fair”? That’s just a statement with nothing behind it mate.

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Trumps very own words to his supporters are behind it.

Have you not listened to him?

Corbyns second biggest problem, for me anyway, is how much he reminded me of Creed Bratton

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Weaponising the legal system

Trump is a criminal and the charges against him are fair and deserved. You're arguing against authoritarianism but Trump should be above the law?
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You don’t think that the democrats went above and beyond trying to get Trump on anything they could? Which, in my opinion, was a really poor strategy and it made him a martyr.

What happened to justice against other former presidents? Clinton? Bush ffs?! But yeah pay off a pron star.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
Why are elections “unlikely to be fair”? That’s just a statement with nothing behind it mate.

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Trumps very own words to his supporters are behind it.

Have you not listened to him?

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Words, rhetoric and whipping up his crowds are one thing. Actually doing it is another thing entirely.

Like I said, I’ll happily wager anyone on here on the quandary of whether Trump pushes something through that allows him a third term.

He said he was going to build a wall and get Mexico to pay for it. You didn’t believe that but for some reason you believe this.

I wonder why…

You don’t think that the democrats went above and beyond trying to get Trump on anything they could?

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No. Please explain which ones you think were unjust and were brought by the Democrats.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 4 minutes ago
You don’t think that the democrats went above and beyond trying to get Trump on anything they could?

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No. Please explain which ones you think were unjust and were brought by the Democrats.
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Take the number that he was charged with minus the ones he was convicted of and there’s your answer.

The point being that previous presidents did far worse but faced nothing. Obama’s presidency had one hell of a PR team, George W anyone? Bill Clinton?

Add up all of the impeachments and charges against all of those three previous presidents and you don’t even come close to the number of charges that Trump was acquitted from.

Now I know you’ll take this as if I think trump is an angel or a saint that could do no wrong. But that isn’t the case. But if you cannot see a huge change, a deliberate tactic, chosen by the democrats to discredit or literally lock him up then that’s fine but it’s clear as day.

Take the number that he was charged with minus the ones he was convicted of and there’s your answer.

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That is not an answer is it, because you don't have one.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Take the number that he was charged with minus the ones he was convicted of and there’s your answer.

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That is not an answer is it, because you don't have one.


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Ok VC. Enjoy your blind spot.

I now realise I've been getting this the wrong way around. The multiple cases against Trump, brought by public prosecutors at State level, through lawsuits by private individuals, and resulting from FBI investigations are proof of a Democratic agenda to kill his campaign, not evidence that he is a historical aberration as a uniquely lawless POTUS.

Moreover, the hundreds of law suits and prosecutions he faced before he entered politics reveal that this is a man who has been persecuted for his whole life by a Deep State that recognised his potential to expose and dismantle its power.

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 2 minutes ago
I now realise I've been getting this the wrong way around. The multiple cases against Trump, brought by public prosecutors at State level, through lawsuits by private individuals, and resulting from FBI investigations are proof of a Democratic agenda to kill his campaign, not evidence that he is a historical aberration as a uniquely lawless POTUS.

Moreover, the hundreds of law suits and prosecutions he faced before he entered politics reveal that this is a man who has been persecuted for his whole life by a Deep State that recognised his potential to expose and dismantle its power.
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Even when he was supporting the Democrats

comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Take the number that he was charged with minus the ones he was convicted of and there’s your answer.

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That is not an answer is it, because you don't have one.


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Ok VC. Enjoy your blind spot.
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Thanks for confirming you cannot back up what you say.

It was clear Harris was going to lose, she lacked conviction.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Sat Nav (U18243)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 47 seconds ago
Take the number that he was charged with minus the ones he was convicted of and there’s your answer.

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That is not an answer is it, because you don't have one.


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Ok VC. Enjoy your blind spot.
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Thanks for confirming you cannot back up what you say.
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My god you’re tedious ok two can play that game:

9:23-cr-80101-AMC

comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 11 minutes ago
I now realise I've been getting this the wrong way around. The multiple cases against Trump, brought by public prosecutors at State level, through lawsuits by private individuals, and resulting from FBI investigations are proof of a Democratic agenda to kill his campaign, not evidence that he is a historical aberration as a uniquely lawless POTUS.

Moreover, the hundreds of law suits and prosecutions he faced before he entered politics reveal that this is a man who has been persecuted for his whole life by a Deep State that recognised his potential to expose and dismantle its power.
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Now you’re getting it

My god you’re tedious ok two can play that game:

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It is not my fault you gob off and cannot back up what you say.

comment by Vidicschin (U3584)
posted 1 minute ago
My god you’re tedious ok two can play that game:

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It is not my fault you gob off and cannot back up what you say.
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I already have and you don’t even realise it, that’s how bad your blind spot is VC


You have serious blind spot of rage when it comes to trump, you’ve explained why and you can continue to think that trump is the second coming of the emperor from Star Wars but as this very article reminds us, your opinions are very much off the mark when it comes to Trump.

I already have and you don’t even realise it, that’s how bad your blind spot is VC

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How is the documents case unjust. A Grand Jury agreed with the indictment.

Have another go.

Even Nixon didn’t face indictments 🤣