posted 23 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
Something something nice stadium, something something profitable business….
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But yesturday you wrote an article about 'great times' under Poch which were under also ENIC.
Talking about all the failures under Poch as if it was some glory era 😂😂😂😂😂. Silly boy.
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Oh god, here we go. Another dense fan incapable of understanding the grey area of what constitutes success.
Is Harvey Elliot a better player than Kane?
Was Juande Ramos a better manager for Spurs than Poch?
By your ultra-lineal understanding of success, given Elliot won the league with Liverpool and Kane didn't, given Ramos won the League Cup and Poch didn't, you're saying they're both better? Come on. Success just isn't measured by trophies alone. It just isn't.
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
The disrespect Poch suffers here and on Twitter is frankly a joke. Makes me ashamed to support the club.
posted 23 hours, 14 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
posted 23 hours, 12 minutes ago
They’ve done a great job.
posted 23 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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Fans are idiots.
We sacked Poch. He has no loyalty to us.
If we signed Palmer from them, no fan would care about where he came from. Fans like to pick and choose their loyalty to suit.
What Poch achieved at Spurs was remarkable. His only failing was that he didn't quite get us over the line but that line was at the elite level.
If our current spending power and facilities were what Poch walked into in 2014, then we'd be looking at a very different recent history.
posted 23 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
Something something nice stadium, something something profitable business….
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But yesturday you wrote an article about 'great times' under Poch which were under also ENIC.
Talking about all the failures under Poch as if it was some glory era 😂😂😂😂😂. Silly boy.
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Oh god, here we go. Another dense fan incapable of understanding the grey area of what constitutes success.
Is Harvey Elliot a better player than Kane?
Was Juande Ramos a better manager for Spurs than Poch?
By your ultra-lineal understanding of success, given Elliot won the league with Liverpool and Kane didn't, given Ramos won the League Cup and Poch didn't, you're saying they're both better? Come on. Success just isn't measured by trophies alone. It just isn't.
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
The disrespect Poch suffers here and on Twitter is frankly a joke. Makes me ashamed to support the club.
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'suffers' he ain't gonna sh@@g you Fridge.
posted 22 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
I agree Spurtle. We can totally point at some decisions that have held us back. Some are with the benefit of hindsight, but many typify the frustrations that fans have had over the years.
I do think we are in a new cycle now, the development phase we are going through now is being achieved with a mix of kids and a few more older heads, and i think that's fine for now, as the changes being made have had to be many.
As we develop we need to see that become more refined, focussed on 1 or 2 top quality signings, while also maintaining a degree of future planning.
If we continue to shop for a future that never seems to arrive then I think we can conclude that the strategy is not about winning, it's about efficiency.
I go on about Arsenal but they have gone through that growing cycle, and are now more targeted in their signings which are typically more finished, expensive players who move their team forward now.
This season will tell us a lot about what Ange is capable of, whether he has the ability to address the repeated concerns, but unless there is some awful dive in form he ain't going anywhere soon, though that does not preclude us considering our options in the summer.
He still needs time (and ideally another CB) to prove he is capable to overcome the bumps in the road and continue to progress us.
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"As we develop we need to see that become more refined, focussed on 1 or 2 top quality signings, while also maintaining a degree of future planning."
That's the part that fans just don't believe though Dev. The last time we were in this position, having shaped a squad of brilliant, young hungry players, even though we had qualified for the CL year on year, we didn't get in any that would qualify as top quality. You may argue that it was bad timing and that progress was almost too fast, coming so soon as it did with a stadium switch on the horizon. But I think Spurs fans are owed the right to view this with cynicism. We don't believe it will happen as it's never happened before. Not really. So I'm surprised you have as much faith in Levy 'stepping things up' and increasing transfers and wages on top drawer talent eventually. What on earth gives you that confidence? There's no evidence he's ever done this before so it's unlikely he ever will.
Football is about bravery, on and off the pitch. Arsenal gambled big money and it's paid off. They might not have won anything but they've become CL dead certs which means that initial gamble with funds early on has paid off. It's about sitting comfortably in the red with the confidence that success off the back off that financial outlay will eventually put you in the black again. Levy never leaves the black. That's the problem. You can be too financially safe. Eventually you have to gamble to win.
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
posted 22 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 20 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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He went to Chelsea because Levy turned his nose up. I don't blame him personally. It was a prime job back in London after his old flame had rejected him. What the hell would you do in that situation? It doesn't change my view of him whatsoever. It might not have been right for him to return, which I understand, but to disrespect his time with us is just crazy to me.
Glenn Hoddle, probably up there with Kane as a true Spurs great, some would say our most-loved son, PLAYED for Chelsea and managed them but he doesn't get half the shiiiiit Poch got. Not even close.
posted 22 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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Fans are idiots.
We sacked Poch. He has no loyalty to us.
If we signed Palmer from them, no fan would care about where he came from. Fans like to pick and choose their loyalty to suit.
What Poch achieved at Spurs was remarkable. His only failing was that he didn't quite get us over the line but that line was at the elite level.
If our current spending power and facilities were what Poch walked into in 2014, then we'd be looking at a very different recent history.
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posted 22 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 20 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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He went to Chelsea because Levy turned his nose up. I don't blame him personally. It was a prime job back in London after his old flame had rejected him. What the hell would you do in that situation? It doesn't change my view of him whatsoever. It might not have been right for him to return, which I understand, but to disrespect his time with us is just crazy to me.
Glenn Hoddle, probably up there with Kane as a true Spurs great, some would say our most-loved son, PLAYED for Chelsea and managed them but he doesn't get half the shiiiiit Poch got. Not even close.
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I was just trying to explain the shat he gets …..I don’t read twitter etc so no idea what abuse he gets
Hoddle was a true legend so got a pass I guess ….poch is not a Tottenham legend
Personally I don’t care he went to Chelsea cos I didn’t want him back …..my best time supporting us was under him but as much as I enjoyed it his last season was a disaster (blame whatever you want) and he deserved the sack
I just don’t think he is as good as some of you think
He is currently managing USA …..he can’t be all that as no decent club wanted him
posted 22 hours, 36 minutes ago
It is not disrespectful to say Poch's tenure was a failure in terms of trophies. It's a fact.
Stop embarassing yourselves by trying to dress up Poch's time as manager as anything but. If it was a Woolwich or West Ham fan saying the same thing they would get rinced. And rightfully so.
posted 22 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I live in a world where people are rational enough to understand that success in football is measured by a number of factors, i.e average league position prior to taking a job, wage bill, transfer spend and not just a feckin tin pot. Are you telling me that if Fabian Hürzeler steers Brighton to 2nd place and a final in both domestic cup competitions that wouldn't constitute success? I actually question your sanity if you don't. Honestly.
Success to me is measured by the mean average of a club prior to a manager's arrival. If the new manager's achievements sit a fair distance above that marker, he's successful. Your understanding of success means on handful of clubs in world football can describe themselves as successful.
Everyone is different though. I heard someone ages ago saying that the run to the League Cup Final in 1999 and eventually winning it was better than our run to the European Cup Final in 2019. I find that astonishing. An unlucky loss in the final owed to a decision in the first two minutes that ultimately changed the game will not diminish the absolute wonder of that run to get there. That City game away and then the comeback against Ajax for me will live longer in the memory than Nielsen's goal in that final against Leicester. I had to look up the scorer. That says everything. Success doesn't always mean trophies. Success is about happy memories and that, for me, is what football is really all about. Only the younger fan, the post-Jose types measure success by trophies. It's a modern trope but frankly it's complete bolllllocks!
posted 22 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
It is not disrespectful to say Poch's tenure was a failure in terms of trophies. It's a fact.
Stop embarassing yourselves by trying to dress up Poch's time as manager as anything but. If it was a Woolwich or West Ham fan saying the same thing they would get rinced. And rightfully so.
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It's not disrespectful to call it a failure in terms of trophies but that's not what you said. You questioned why I called him successful which is a different thing entirely. He was successful but he wasn't successful in terms of trophies. They're two different measures but I'm starting to get the impression that you have deep-rooted failure to understand it.
posted 22 hours, 10 minutes ago
Spurs over spend on transfers and under spend on wages. All our top 6 rivals spend way more than we do on wages, which attracts the best players.
The whole football operation is a litany of bad decisions.... over paying for the wrong players.... failing to pay the asking prices for the right players.... leaving the manager with a short squad....failing to match wages on offer elsewhere.... appointing the wrong managers and then sacking them... etc etc etc the list goes on I could be here all night.
The football operation is being run by clowns, who make stupid decision after stupid decision, their game is business and not football.
posted 21 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 30 minutes ago
Spurs over spend on transfers and under spend on wages. All our top 6 rivals spend way more than we do on wages, which attracts the best players.
The whole football operation is a litany of bad decisions.... over paying for the wrong players.... failing to pay the asking prices for the right players.... leaving the manager with a short squad....failing to match wages on offer elsewhere.... appointing the wrong managers and then sacking them... etc etc etc the list goes on I could be here all night.
The football operation is being run by clowns, who make stupid decision after stupid decision, their game is business and not football.
----------------------------------------------------------------------On the money !
posted 21 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I think he's in the real world.
Most clubs don't win trophies.
posted 20 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I think he's in the real world.
Most clubs don't win trophies.
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Yep, that's the beauty of competiton. Lots of losers and very few winners.
posted 20 hours, 6 minutes ago
All of us can look forward to more of the same for the next 5 years, at least.
Nice stadium
Cheap Managers
squad rebuild as the stars age
......etc.......
COYS.....sounds pretty hollow, doesn't it?
posted 10 hours, 4 minutes ago
Poch should not just be judged on his five years at Spurs, he should also be judged on the five years since he left Spurs, where he also has done next to nothing. That's 10 years where all he won was a couple of trophies in a pub league in France.
Top managers don't end up in the USA, they are in big demand in Europe.
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
There are those that continue to justify and believe in Daniel levy and Enic, constantly thinking success is just around the corner
There are those that believe this is as good as it can ever possibly get for spurs and we should be grateful
And there are those that have had enough of Enic and the failure in the football field. Sick of the constant price rises and inability to deliver where it actually matters.
It will ever be thus.
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I think he's in the real world.
Most clubs don't win trophies.
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Most clubs aren't deluded in thinking they are a huge club... whilst winning nothing
posted 4 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 hours, 12 minutes ago
Poch should not just be judged on his five years at Spurs, he should also be judged on the five years since he left Spurs, where he also has done next to nothing. That's 10 years where all he won was a couple of trophies in a pub league in France.
Top managers don't end up in the USA, they are in big demand in Europe.
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He did a great job with Southampton before joining us, was the best manager we've had for a generation, and the stats more than back that up, and he then made two errors joining circus clubs in PSG and Chelsea.
I've already had this debate with you Sandy and we're never going to agree but measuring Poch's talents based on his career post-Spurs is unfair without the context of what was going on at those clubs at the time. At PSG he had a front line unwilling to do work off the ball, such was their taste for lazy superstars at the time. He was constantly undermined by Leonardo as Sporting Director too. The politics at that club were turbulent to say the least. Then he went to Chelsea and we all know how much they messed up in the market at the time. They're only now getting it right.
Fans like you don't deserve those nights against Ajax, City, Madrid etc. You take every single opportunity to bash Poch without taking into account club finances at that time and a complete disregard for squad evolution at board level. He's a manager, not a miracle worker.
So much disrespect. You'd expect that in the five years since he's gone, you'd have gained a little perspective on what a good job he did considering how far we've fallen but no, you're just one of those characters that doesn't have the maturity to admit when he's wrong, even though internally you know you are. Yes, it was going wrong, yes, the away form in the final year was poor and yes, it probably was worth considering a change for all parties (although I prefer to lean on the idea that he had enough credit in the bank to stay on and rebuild) but to not even look back with any fondness at all is just a joke.
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
Poch should be commended and respected for the superb job that he did for us at Spurs.
However, I can also understand the argument that he's not a top manager.
He achieved great things with Spurs, but he did not get us over the line. In his subsequent roles he did not set the world alight either.
I don't think he's an elite manager, but I will always be grateful to him for what he did at Spurs. Having said that, I would not necessarily want him to return as our manager.
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
There are those that continue to justify and believe in Daniel levy and Enic, constantly thinking success is just around the corner
There are those that believe this is as good as it can ever possibly get for spurs and we should be grateful
And there are those that have had enough of Enic and the failure in the football field. Sick of the constant price rises and inability to deliver where it actually matters.
It will ever be thus.
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What constant prices rises?
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 24 minutes ago
Poch should be commended and respected for the superb job that he did for us at Spurs.
However, I can also understand the argument that he's not a top manager.
He achieved great things with Spurs, but he did not get us over the line. In his subsequent roles he did not set the world alight either.
I don't think he's an elite manager, but I will always be grateful to him for what he did at Spurs. Having said that, I would not necessarily want him to return as our manager.
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The only point that matters is your first. He did a superb job with us. I don't care how he's seen objectively by other fans or whether he's considered in the elite. The accusation from some fans on here was that he was a failure with us which I wholeheartedly disagree with.
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posted 23 hours, 24 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
Something something nice stadium, something something profitable business….
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But yesturday you wrote an article about 'great times' under Poch which were under also ENIC.
Talking about all the failures under Poch as if it was some glory era 😂😂😂😂😂. Silly boy.
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Oh god, here we go. Another dense fan incapable of understanding the grey area of what constitutes success.
Is Harvey Elliot a better player than Kane?
Was Juande Ramos a better manager for Spurs than Poch?
By your ultra-lineal understanding of success, given Elliot won the league with Liverpool and Kane didn't, given Ramos won the League Cup and Poch didn't, you're saying they're both better? Come on. Success just isn't measured by trophies alone. It just isn't.
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
The disrespect Poch suffers here and on Twitter is frankly a joke. Makes me ashamed to support the club.
posted 23 hours, 14 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
posted 23 hours, 12 minutes ago
They’ve done a great job.
posted 23 hours, 5 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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Fans are idiots.
We sacked Poch. He has no loyalty to us.
If we signed Palmer from them, no fan would care about where he came from. Fans like to pick and choose their loyalty to suit.
What Poch achieved at Spurs was remarkable. His only failing was that he didn't quite get us over the line but that line was at the elite level.
If our current spending power and facilities were what Poch walked into in 2014, then we'd be looking at a very different recent history.
posted 23 hours, 3 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 6 hours, 44 minutes ago
comment by Automatic For The People (U21889)
posted 17 minutes ago
Something something nice stadium, something something profitable business….
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But yesturday you wrote an article about 'great times' under Poch which were under also ENIC.
Talking about all the failures under Poch as if it was some glory era 😂😂😂😂😂. Silly boy.
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Oh god, here we go. Another dense fan incapable of understanding the grey area of what constitutes success.
Is Harvey Elliot a better player than Kane?
Was Juande Ramos a better manager for Spurs than Poch?
By your ultra-lineal understanding of success, given Elliot won the league with Liverpool and Kane didn't, given Ramos won the League Cup and Poch didn't, you're saying they're both better? Come on. Success just isn't measured by trophies alone. It just isn't.
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
The disrespect Poch suffers here and on Twitter is frankly a joke. Makes me ashamed to support the club.
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'suffers' he ain't gonna sh@@g you Fridge.
posted 22 hours, 54 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 1 hour, 18 minutes ago
I agree Spurtle. We can totally point at some decisions that have held us back. Some are with the benefit of hindsight, but many typify the frustrations that fans have had over the years.
I do think we are in a new cycle now, the development phase we are going through now is being achieved with a mix of kids and a few more older heads, and i think that's fine for now, as the changes being made have had to be many.
As we develop we need to see that become more refined, focussed on 1 or 2 top quality signings, while also maintaining a degree of future planning.
If we continue to shop for a future that never seems to arrive then I think we can conclude that the strategy is not about winning, it's about efficiency.
I go on about Arsenal but they have gone through that growing cycle, and are now more targeted in their signings which are typically more finished, expensive players who move their team forward now.
This season will tell us a lot about what Ange is capable of, whether he has the ability to address the repeated concerns, but unless there is some awful dive in form he ain't going anywhere soon, though that does not preclude us considering our options in the summer.
He still needs time (and ideally another CB) to prove he is capable to overcome the bumps in the road and continue to progress us.
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"As we develop we need to see that become more refined, focussed on 1 or 2 top quality signings, while also maintaining a degree of future planning."
That's the part that fans just don't believe though Dev. The last time we were in this position, having shaped a squad of brilliant, young hungry players, even though we had qualified for the CL year on year, we didn't get in any that would qualify as top quality. You may argue that it was bad timing and that progress was almost too fast, coming so soon as it did with a stadium switch on the horizon. But I think Spurs fans are owed the right to view this with cynicism. We don't believe it will happen as it's never happened before. Not really. So I'm surprised you have as much faith in Levy 'stepping things up' and increasing transfers and wages on top drawer talent eventually. What on earth gives you that confidence? There's no evidence he's ever done this before so it's unlikely he ever will.
Football is about bravery, on and off the pitch. Arsenal gambled big money and it's paid off. They might not have won anything but they've become CL dead certs which means that initial gamble with funds early on has paid off. It's about sitting comfortably in the red with the confidence that success off the back off that financial outlay will eventually put you in the black again. Levy never leaves the black. That's the problem. You can be too financially safe. Eventually you have to gamble to win.
posted 22 hours, 51 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
posted 22 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 20 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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He went to Chelsea because Levy turned his nose up. I don't blame him personally. It was a prime job back in London after his old flame had rejected him. What the hell would you do in that situation? It doesn't change my view of him whatsoever. It might not have been right for him to return, which I understand, but to disrespect his time with us is just crazy to me.
Glenn Hoddle, probably up there with Kane as a true Spurs great, some would say our most-loved son, PLAYED for Chelsea and managed them but he doesn't get half the shiiiiit Poch got. Not even close.
posted 22 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 15 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 3 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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Fans are idiots.
We sacked Poch. He has no loyalty to us.
If we signed Palmer from them, no fan would care about where he came from. Fans like to pick and choose their loyalty to suit.
What Poch achieved at Spurs was remarkable. His only failing was that he didn't quite get us over the line but that line was at the elite level.
If our current spending power and facilities were what Poch walked into in 2014, then we'd be looking at a very different recent history.
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posted 22 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Blackpolespur (U9242)
posted 20 minutes ago
I would guess the level of disrespect shown towards poch is probably due to him going to Chelsea …..I don’t think there was much before that ?
Yeah you could argue he was sacked by Tottenham so why not go and manage them but he use to harp on about how he could never manage a rival (Barcelona for example when he was linked with that job due to espanyol)
Then went to Chelsea …..I appreciate what he did (he should have done better) but deserves everything he now gets ….id never want him back that’s for sure
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He went to Chelsea because Levy turned his nose up. I don't blame him personally. It was a prime job back in London after his old flame had rejected him. What the hell would you do in that situation? It doesn't change my view of him whatsoever. It might not have been right for him to return, which I understand, but to disrespect his time with us is just crazy to me.
Glenn Hoddle, probably up there with Kane as a true Spurs great, some would say our most-loved son, PLAYED for Chelsea and managed them but he doesn't get half the shiiiiit Poch got. Not even close.
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I was just trying to explain the shat he gets …..I don’t read twitter etc so no idea what abuse he gets
Hoddle was a true legend so got a pass I guess ….poch is not a Tottenham legend
Personally I don’t care he went to Chelsea cos I didn’t want him back …..my best time supporting us was under him but as much as I enjoyed it his last season was a disaster (blame whatever you want) and he deserved the sack
I just don’t think he is as good as some of you think
He is currently managing USA …..he can’t be all that as no decent club wanted him
posted 22 hours, 36 minutes ago
It is not disrespectful to say Poch's tenure was a failure in terms of trophies. It's a fact.
Stop embarassing yourselves by trying to dress up Poch's time as manager as anything but. If it was a Woolwich or West Ham fan saying the same thing they would get rinced. And rightfully so.
posted 22 hours, 32 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I live in a world where people are rational enough to understand that success in football is measured by a number of factors, i.e average league position prior to taking a job, wage bill, transfer spend and not just a feckin tin pot. Are you telling me that if Fabian Hürzeler steers Brighton to 2nd place and a final in both domestic cup competitions that wouldn't constitute success? I actually question your sanity if you don't. Honestly.
Success to me is measured by the mean average of a club prior to a manager's arrival. If the new manager's achievements sit a fair distance above that marker, he's successful. Your understanding of success means on handful of clubs in world football can describe themselves as successful.
Everyone is different though. I heard someone ages ago saying that the run to the League Cup Final in 1999 and eventually winning it was better than our run to the European Cup Final in 2019. I find that astonishing. An unlucky loss in the final owed to a decision in the first two minutes that ultimately changed the game will not diminish the absolute wonder of that run to get there. That City game away and then the comeback against Ajax for me will live longer in the memory than Nielsen's goal in that final against Leicester. I had to look up the scorer. That says everything. Success doesn't always mean trophies. Success is about happy memories and that, for me, is what football is really all about. Only the younger fan, the post-Jose types measure success by trophies. It's a modern trope but frankly it's complete bolllllocks!
posted 22 hours, 25 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 4 minutes ago
It is not disrespectful to say Poch's tenure was a failure in terms of trophies. It's a fact.
Stop embarassing yourselves by trying to dress up Poch's time as manager as anything but. If it was a Woolwich or West Ham fan saying the same thing they would get rinced. And rightfully so.
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It's not disrespectful to call it a failure in terms of trophies but that's not what you said. You questioned why I called him successful which is a different thing entirely. He was successful but he wasn't successful in terms of trophies. They're two different measures but I'm starting to get the impression that you have deep-rooted failure to understand it.
posted 22 hours, 10 minutes ago
Spurs over spend on transfers and under spend on wages. All our top 6 rivals spend way more than we do on wages, which attracts the best players.
The whole football operation is a litany of bad decisions.... over paying for the wrong players.... failing to pay the asking prices for the right players.... leaving the manager with a short squad....failing to match wages on offer elsewhere.... appointing the wrong managers and then sacking them... etc etc etc the list goes on I could be here all night.
The football operation is being run by clowns, who make stupid decision after stupid decision, their game is business and not football.
posted 21 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by ●Billy The Spur● LEVY OUT- ENIC OUT! (U3924)
posted 30 minutes ago
Spurs over spend on transfers and under spend on wages. All our top 6 rivals spend way more than we do on wages, which attracts the best players.
The whole football operation is a litany of bad decisions.... over paying for the wrong players.... failing to pay the asking prices for the right players.... leaving the manager with a short squad....failing to match wages on offer elsewhere.... appointing the wrong managers and then sacking them... etc etc etc the list goes on I could be here all night.
The football operation is being run by clowns, who make stupid decision after stupid decision, their game is business and not football.
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posted 21 hours, 1 minute ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I think he's in the real world.
Most clubs don't win trophies.
posted 20 hours, 42 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 17 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I think he's in the real world.
Most clubs don't win trophies.
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Yep, that's the beauty of competiton. Lots of losers and very few winners.
posted 20 hours, 6 minutes ago
All of us can look forward to more of the same for the next 5 years, at least.
Nice stadium
Cheap Managers
squad rebuild as the stars age
......etc.......
COYS.....sounds pretty hollow, doesn't it?
posted 10 hours, 4 minutes ago
Poch should not just be judged on his five years at Spurs, he should also be judged on the five years since he left Spurs, where he also has done next to nothing. That's 10 years where all he won was a couple of trophies in a pub league in France.
Top managers don't end up in the USA, they are in big demand in Europe.
posted 9 hours, 17 minutes ago
There are those that continue to justify and believe in Daniel levy and Enic, constantly thinking success is just around the corner
There are those that believe this is as good as it can ever possibly get for spurs and we should be grateful
And there are those that have had enough of Enic and the failure in the football field. Sick of the constant price rises and inability to deliver where it actually matters.
It will ever be thus.
posted 8 hours, 49 minutes ago
comment by montleeds (U18330)
posted 12 hours, 9 minutes ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 1 hour, 43 minutes ago
4th, 3rd, 2nd, 4th. League Cup Final, European Cup Final. All dealing with the club's financial constraints due to the stadium, 2 seasons without a home. If that's not success I don't know what is.
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Erm actual trophies = success. What world are you in?
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I think he's in the real world.
Most clubs don't win trophies.
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Most clubs aren't deluded in thinking they are a huge club... whilst winning nothing
posted 4 hours, 37 minutes ago
comment by sandy, golden boot winner fa cup 1901 (U20567)
posted 5 hours, 12 minutes ago
Poch should not just be judged on his five years at Spurs, he should also be judged on the five years since he left Spurs, where he also has done next to nothing. That's 10 years where all he won was a couple of trophies in a pub league in France.
Top managers don't end up in the USA, they are in big demand in Europe.
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He did a great job with Southampton before joining us, was the best manager we've had for a generation, and the stats more than back that up, and he then made two errors joining circus clubs in PSG and Chelsea.
I've already had this debate with you Sandy and we're never going to agree but measuring Poch's talents based on his career post-Spurs is unfair without the context of what was going on at those clubs at the time. At PSG he had a front line unwilling to do work off the ball, such was their taste for lazy superstars at the time. He was constantly undermined by Leonardo as Sporting Director too. The politics at that club were turbulent to say the least. Then he went to Chelsea and we all know how much they messed up in the market at the time. They're only now getting it right.
Fans like you don't deserve those nights against Ajax, City, Madrid etc. You take every single opportunity to bash Poch without taking into account club finances at that time and a complete disregard for squad evolution at board level. He's a manager, not a miracle worker.
So much disrespect. You'd expect that in the five years since he's gone, you'd have gained a little perspective on what a good job he did considering how far we've fallen but no, you're just one of those characters that doesn't have the maturity to admit when he's wrong, even though internally you know you are. Yes, it was going wrong, yes, the away form in the final year was poor and yes, it probably was worth considering a change for all parties (although I prefer to lean on the idea that he had enough credit in the bank to stay on and rebuild) but to not even look back with any fondness at all is just a joke.
posted 4 hours, 16 minutes ago
Poch should be commended and respected for the superb job that he did for us at Spurs.
However, I can also understand the argument that he's not a top manager.
He achieved great things with Spurs, but he did not get us over the line. In his subsequent roles he did not set the world alight either.
I don't think he's an elite manager, but I will always be grateful to him for what he did at Spurs. Having said that, I would not necessarily want him to return as our manager.
posted 4 hours, 7 minutes ago
comment by Mack (U6574)
posted 4 hours, 59 minutes ago
There are those that continue to justify and believe in Daniel levy and Enic, constantly thinking success is just around the corner
There are those that believe this is as good as it can ever possibly get for spurs and we should be grateful
And there are those that have had enough of Enic and the failure in the football field. Sick of the constant price rises and inability to deliver where it actually matters.
It will ever be thus.
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What constant prices rises?
posted 3 hours, 50 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 24 minutes ago
Poch should be commended and respected for the superb job that he did for us at Spurs.
However, I can also understand the argument that he's not a top manager.
He achieved great things with Spurs, but he did not get us over the line. In his subsequent roles he did not set the world alight either.
I don't think he's an elite manager, but I will always be grateful to him for what he did at Spurs. Having said that, I would not necessarily want him to return as our manager.
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The only point that matters is your first. He did a superb job with us. I don't care how he's seen objectively by other fans or whether he's considered in the elite. The accusation from some fans on here was that he was a failure with us which I wholeheartedly disagree with.
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