posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I have this recurring nightmare..... Spurs are 1-0 in the 91st min of the FA cup Final Vs Liverpool and instead of playing for the corner flag and killing time, Spurs still have their FBs stood on the half way line, Give the ball away & get caught with a ball in behind to Salah....... 1-1 and we lose in Extra time... In the post match Ange says he's proud of the players because we kept playing our football & Its "who we are mate". Privately Levy aint bothered because there's no money to be made from winning the FA Cup and he doesn't even bother going to Wembly because we finished 10th (Losing as many games as we won and drawing 2).... Am I dreaming.... I honestly don't know anymore
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
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Do you think 2 more transfer windows under Levy's ownership will make much difference? Not sure Romero and maybe VDV will be at Spurs in 12 months time and will Son still be effective another year older ? You think Levy will properly replace them.... These Guys are gonna want CL Football.... You might be right but I fear if Ange doesn't get top 4 this season... he's gone
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 6 minutes ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
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& Yes I am criticizing Ange..... I think some of his tactics, results and comments are utterly stupid
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
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Do you think 2 more transfer windows under Levy's ownership will make much difference? Not sure Romero and maybe VDV will be at Spurs in 12 months time and will Son still be effective another year older ? You think Levy will properly replace them.... These Guys are gonna want CL Football.... You might be right but I fear if Ange doesn't get top 4 this season... he's gone
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I'd like him to have chance to sign players over the next two windows (the January window is not a great opportunity, so realistically I'm saying that he should get the summer window too.
The fact that we've signed the likes of VdV, Maddison, Solanke, Vicario gives me hope that he knows how to identify good players with the limited budget he has.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I also no that we all want to win now, but he's also signed some good young players who will be very important for Spurs in the not too distant future.
ie. Bergvall, Gray and to a lesser extent, Odebert
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
I also no that we all want to win now, but he's also signed some good young players who will be very important for Spurs in the not too distant future.
ie. Bergvall, Gray and to a lesser extent, Odebert
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TBF..... Thats pure speculation! They could also turn out to be the next Ryan Sessegnon and Jack Clarke
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Unfortunately Ange is becoming a bit of a religion with some on here and no criticism will be a accepted. When challenged, they say he needs 3 more windows without taking into consideration what is going on now.
No matter who he buys and plays as fullback, they will still be playing central midfield and whoever is a centre back will be standing in the opposition half or crossing from the byline. Our so called wingers won't be crossing or helping their fullbacks.
This is like a Colombo episode, we've seen the end and who did it, the story is how we get their.
I take no joy in this and am just baffled how many people refuse to see this.
There are players who don't suit the Premier League and we have a manager who falls into the same category.
These next three games, I think our manager is going to throw a hissy fit with the reaction of the fans on the stadium.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I'm finding the whole injury talk in relation to our results quite overblown. Admittedly we've been hit with them but should this constitute such poor performances and results? What were the injuries when we drew to Leicester and how many were missing when we lost to Ipswich? He even rested players in the Gala game ready for that one.
In the City game we proved we could do it with key players missing and Davies has come in and been reliable. With Romero, many have been bemoaning his performances when he's been fit so how big a loss is he as an absentee anyway?
The nature of the results and performances still don't add up to me. Who knows which Spurs will turn up against Bournemouth. I wouldn't be surprised if we smashed them or if it was more of the same against Fulham and we lose.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Kind of agree with this. There appears to be this perception that because we've bought young, which explains certain inconsistencies, they're all going to turn into world beaters. That's absolute nonsense. There are no guarantees with young players. That's the risk. The idea that this is somehow a long term banker is just bizarre.
Levy takes a portion of the blame. I think his slow pace in the market means that success is never quite reached. For instance, we bought a few decent players but everyone thinks it'll take a few more windows yet - do you think the more senior lads want to stick around and wait? We've already heard murmurings about Romero wanting out. So how do you build success if the players don't have the patience to see it out? You do it quicker and you spend more money. That's the only way and Levy won't do it.
That said, to relinquish Ange of blame is just madness. Levy isn't the one setting up the team to be one of the most negligent sides in the league. The way we defend is frankly kamikaze. The opportunities sides have against us is something I don't think I've ever seen in all my years as a Spurs fan. Yes, we score goals, yes, we're occasionally inventive, but none of that matters if you have to score 3 goals every week to even win a game. Even on those days where we don't concede, you can guarantee we've shipped chance after chance and been saved with a worldy by Vic or a last ditch escape by VDV. It's just not sustainable and that is entirely on Ange.
Where I also lose a bit of faith is in how headstrong he is. If you're headstrong and successful it's a great combo. If you're headstrong and shiiiit, you're just going to continue to be shiiiiit because you don't want to be told where you're going wrong, or more worryingly, are completely closed off to the kind of flexibility required to change the status quo. He was aware of our weaknesses from set pieces. He didn't think it was a problem so didn't rectify it. When questioned on our open style his response is "that's who we are mate" which sends a message that conceding goals is fine. Then there's the "I'd rather be entertaining than win" line. If ever there was a line that summed up why it will never ever work with him at the helm then that's it.
How do those in support of Ange propose he turns the inconsistency around if he's not going to change anything? To me we're just sleepwalking and hoping it does, rather than actively making changes in order to do so.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
By the way Diamond, great point about the amount of games. Ange was saying last year that he wanted more games and this is the result. Massive injuries because the squad isn't there for him to rotate and win. We all knew this. How much else do we already know that's yet to dawn on him?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
By the way Diamond, great point about the amount of games. Ange was saying last year that he wanted more games and this is the result. Massive injuries because the squad isn't there for him to rotate and win. We all knew this. How much else do we already know that's yet to dawn on him?
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I have no answers & i don't know who's to blame.. I find the whole thing bizarre but its only gonna end one way.... I don't care what anyone says... there's so much spin to try and justify what Ange is doing but Spurs are not progressing.... We are a mess on and off the field (in every aspect except the balance sheet).... Its a business not a football club
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
As good as the City result and performance was, we're talking about probably Ange's best result at a time during Pep's worst ever managerial spell, and City's worst in like 10 years. They are in dire straits. Add to the fact we are kind of a bogey team for them anyway, then you almost have to start taking it with a pinch of salt.
The reality is we have now offered up more poor performances this season than good ones.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I see the flaws in our squad and I see the flaws in some of Ange's tactics. However, I'm pretty sure the same things (if not worse) were being said during Conte's reign and Mourinho's too.
Along comes Ange and he finishes 5th in his first season (up from 8th the previous season) and he's brought a brand of football that we'd all been crying out for before he came and he currently sits 3 points off top 4 and we're still in all competitions (including the latter stages of the EFL cup). I don't get the clamour for his head, or the snobbery because he's an Aussie
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
I see the flaws in our squad and I see the flaws in some of Ange's tactics. However, I'm pretty sure the same things (if not worse) were being said during Conte's reign and Mourinho's too.
Along comes Ange and he finishes 5th in his first season (up from 8th the previous season) and he's brought a brand of football that we'd all been crying out for before he came and he currently sits 3 points off top 4 and we're still in all competitions (including the latter stages of the EFL cup). I don't get the clamour for his head, or the snobbery because he's an Aussie
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Stop worrying about prev managers... It doesn't mean anything. Also if you are gonna point out that we finished 5th (Up from 8th) you also have to mention the record for 75% of the season post chelsea (Having been top after 10 Games and how we have won as many as we have lost to start this year. Theres no which hunt Re Ange.... His stubbornness is bringing warranted criticism. Its exactly the same as Levy's focus on the business rather than the sport (Lack of success of any kind) is bringing him warranted flack.
If its not about winning football matches, then its all BS... It would appear Levy has hired a kindred spirit in Ange.... One points to ideology, the other to profitability.... Both massively miss the point !
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Like I said...... a massive disconnect !!!
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 20 seconds ago
I see the flaws in our squad and I see the flaws in some of Ange's tactics. However, I'm pretty sure the same things (if not worse) were being said during Conte's reign and Mourinho's too.
Along comes Ange and he finishes 5th in his first season (up from 8th the previous season) and he's brought a brand of football that we'd all been crying out for before he came and he currently sits 3 points off top 4 and we're still in all competitions (including the latter stages of the EFL cup). I don't get the clamour for his head, or the snobbery because he's an Aussie
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5th when you have no European football and go out of the cups early is nothing special. Redknapp got top 4 and an FA Cup semi under the same conditions, AVB got 5th with European football and our highest ever points total at the time, Poch got 5th in his first season with European football.
Does any fan actually believe we will win something this season and/or get as high in the table as we did last season? And if not does that equate to Ange having done a good job?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
By the way Diamond, great point about the amount of games. Ange was saying last year that he wanted more games and this is the result. Massive injuries because the squad isn't there for him to rotate and win. We all knew this. How much else do we already know that's yet to dawn on him?
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I have no answers & i don't know who's to blame.. I find the whole thing bizarre but its only gonna end one way.... I don't care what anyone says... there's so much spin to try and justify what Ange is doing but Spurs are not progressing.... We are a mess on and off the field (in every aspect except the balance sheet).... Its a business not a football club
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Yeah, I'm the same. I'm at a complete loss to know what to do about the situation. Ordinarily there's a thirst for change when something isn't working but I think us fans are tired of that because plainly, it also doesn't work.
I've got to an apathetic stage. When we scored yesterday I didn't really celebrate, such was the nature of the performance, I knew we'd eventually concede. It's all so predictable.
There's definitely a cult like behaviour around Ange but really that just clouds judgement. You have to look at the performances and results and neither have been any good. He has the worst record of any manager in the Levy era I think, certainly since Ramos. That said, I don't think I've got another manager search in me. What's the point? Ultimately, even if we find a gem, there's a ceiling because of the ENIC model. The problems right now are in the boardroom and on the pitch so ditching the one on the pitch makes little sense if the same dribbling little weasel making the decisions above continues to do so, and we'll forever be in this cycle.
What gets me is the amount of fans digging out Poch for being shiiiit are the same ones singing Ange's praises. WTF? Ange couldn't even dream of matching Poch's progress with us. It's an insult to even compare.
Anyway, I'm starting to care very little. I might have the occasional rant on here during or after a game but honestly, I'm just numb to the club now.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Id have more time for Ange and his principles if he had the record in a top league to back up the bravado but he doesnt.
He blamed his woeful record in the CL with Celtic on a lack financial muscle and domestic competition to compete yet brags about his domestic successes in these pub league as some kind of badge of honor.... He's a snake oil salesman
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
So what is it Ange, He talks endlessly about all the things "we want to achieve" I have no idea what that means. He gets upset when he says people unfairly criticize him and Spurs but what does he expect? Surely there's a element of pragmatism in all elements of life.... His job is to WIN games.... what's the point of wins at Old Trafford & Man City if you cant motivate the players to get more than 2 points from Leicester, Ipswich, Palace and Fulham.
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You fallen into the trap of making up arguments in your own head.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
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And again. You're good at it.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
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And again. You're good at it.
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Like I said.... I'm baffled about Spurs.. Dunno if its Ange, Levy, The players..... But something aint right.... who knows
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
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And again. You're good at it.
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Can ya tell I'm bored today
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Unfortunately Ange is becoming a bit of a religion with some on here and no criticism will be a accepted. When challenged, they say he needs 3 more windows without taking into consideration what is going on now.
No matter who he buys and plays as fullback, they will still be playing central midfield and whoever is a centre back will be standing in the opposition half or crossing from the byline. Our so called wingers won't be crossing or helping their fullbacks.
This is like a Colombo episode, we've seen the end and who did it, the story is how we get their.
I take no joy in this and am just baffled how many people refuse to see this.
There are players who don't suit the Premier League and we have a manager who falls into the same category.
These next three games, I think our manager is going to throw a hissy fit with the reaction of the fans on the stadium.
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You say "what is going on now" as if it's an unmitigated disaster.
We are quite well placed. 7th. 3 pts from top 4, 5 from 2nd. I would expect the sort of massive post mortem the some go through every time we don t win if we were well off this pace, out of the cups or doing no good in Europe.
Right now it's not the disaster that some are painting it as and it can still turn out to be our most successful season in over 30 years.
Those predicting a failed season after 13 pl games and half a dozen cup games are the usual ones attacking the club at all levels.
Ange won 26 of his first 50 PL games. Matching the records of Klopp and Aryeta, who had similar rebuilds to oversee.
Anyone who gives no allowance for missing 8 first teamers vs Fulham really lacks any sort of fairness or objectivity and are simply looking to bang their favourite drum. Similarly, anyone who thinks our squad should be perfect by now is also being totally unrealistic.
Folks like Diamond happy to kill any comment about the quality of the kids we bought as 'wild speculation' but very happy to use beyond wild speculation (closer to just being made up BS) about the Board and managers motives to inform his most negative of opinions.
Already judged Ange as the wrong man
Said it loads b4, when the going gets tough, real men/fans get in behind their team. Cowards stick the feckin knife in
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posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I have this recurring nightmare..... Spurs are 1-0 in the 91st min of the FA cup Final Vs Liverpool and instead of playing for the corner flag and killing time, Spurs still have their FBs stood on the half way line, Give the ball away & get caught with a ball in behind to Salah....... 1-1 and we lose in Extra time... In the post match Ange says he's proud of the players because we kept playing our football & Its "who we are mate". Privately Levy aint bothered because there's no money to be made from winning the FA Cup and he doesn't even bother going to Wembly because we finished 10th (Losing as many games as we won and drawing 2).... Am I dreaming.... I honestly don't know anymore
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
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Do you think 2 more transfer windows under Levy's ownership will make much difference? Not sure Romero and maybe VDV will be at Spurs in 12 months time and will Son still be effective another year older ? You think Levy will properly replace them.... These Guys are gonna want CL Football.... You might be right but I fear if Ange doesn't get top 4 this season... he's gone
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 6 minutes ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
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& Yes I am criticizing Ange..... I think some of his tactics, results and comments are utterly stupid
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
You've answered your own question (Levy), but yet still criticise Ange.
Do you really think he's gonna come out publicly and say some of our squad players are sh*t? Of course not, he has to work with what he's got.
The guy needs at least two more transfer windows to create a competitive squad. There are no managers out there that can come to our club, wave a magic wand and then have us winning every week. At some point we need to give a manager time and have patience.
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Do you think 2 more transfer windows under Levy's ownership will make much difference? Not sure Romero and maybe VDV will be at Spurs in 12 months time and will Son still be effective another year older ? You think Levy will properly replace them.... These Guys are gonna want CL Football.... You might be right but I fear if Ange doesn't get top 4 this season... he's gone
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I'd like him to have chance to sign players over the next two windows (the January window is not a great opportunity, so realistically I'm saying that he should get the summer window too.
The fact that we've signed the likes of VdV, Maddison, Solanke, Vicario gives me hope that he knows how to identify good players with the limited budget he has.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I also no that we all want to win now, but he's also signed some good young players who will be very important for Spurs in the not too distant future.
ie. Bergvall, Gray and to a lesser extent, Odebert
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
I also no that we all want to win now, but he's also signed some good young players who will be very important for Spurs in the not too distant future.
ie. Bergvall, Gray and to a lesser extent, Odebert
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TBF..... Thats pure speculation! They could also turn out to be the next Ryan Sessegnon and Jack Clarke
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Unfortunately Ange is becoming a bit of a religion with some on here and no criticism will be a accepted. When challenged, they say he needs 3 more windows without taking into consideration what is going on now.
No matter who he buys and plays as fullback, they will still be playing central midfield and whoever is a centre back will be standing in the opposition half or crossing from the byline. Our so called wingers won't be crossing or helping their fullbacks.
This is like a Colombo episode, we've seen the end and who did it, the story is how we get their.
I take no joy in this and am just baffled how many people refuse to see this.
There are players who don't suit the Premier League and we have a manager who falls into the same category.
These next three games, I think our manager is going to throw a hissy fit with the reaction of the fans on the stadium.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I'm finding the whole injury talk in relation to our results quite overblown. Admittedly we've been hit with them but should this constitute such poor performances and results? What were the injuries when we drew to Leicester and how many were missing when we lost to Ipswich? He even rested players in the Gala game ready for that one.
In the City game we proved we could do it with key players missing and Davies has come in and been reliable. With Romero, many have been bemoaning his performances when he's been fit so how big a loss is he as an absentee anyway?
The nature of the results and performances still don't add up to me. Who knows which Spurs will turn up against Bournemouth. I wouldn't be surprised if we smashed them or if it was more of the same against Fulham and we lose.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Kind of agree with this. There appears to be this perception that because we've bought young, which explains certain inconsistencies, they're all going to turn into world beaters. That's absolute nonsense. There are no guarantees with young players. That's the risk. The idea that this is somehow a long term banker is just bizarre.
Levy takes a portion of the blame. I think his slow pace in the market means that success is never quite reached. For instance, we bought a few decent players but everyone thinks it'll take a few more windows yet - do you think the more senior lads want to stick around and wait? We've already heard murmurings about Romero wanting out. So how do you build success if the players don't have the patience to see it out? You do it quicker and you spend more money. That's the only way and Levy won't do it.
That said, to relinquish Ange of blame is just madness. Levy isn't the one setting up the team to be one of the most negligent sides in the league. The way we defend is frankly kamikaze. The opportunities sides have against us is something I don't think I've ever seen in all my years as a Spurs fan. Yes, we score goals, yes, we're occasionally inventive, but none of that matters if you have to score 3 goals every week to even win a game. Even on those days where we don't concede, you can guarantee we've shipped chance after chance and been saved with a worldy by Vic or a last ditch escape by VDV. It's just not sustainable and that is entirely on Ange.
Where I also lose a bit of faith is in how headstrong he is. If you're headstrong and successful it's a great combo. If you're headstrong and shiiiit, you're just going to continue to be shiiiiit because you don't want to be told where you're going wrong, or more worryingly, are completely closed off to the kind of flexibility required to change the status quo. He was aware of our weaknesses from set pieces. He didn't think it was a problem so didn't rectify it. When questioned on our open style his response is "that's who we are mate" which sends a message that conceding goals is fine. Then there's the "I'd rather be entertaining than win" line. If ever there was a line that summed up why it will never ever work with him at the helm then that's it.
How do those in support of Ange propose he turns the inconsistency around if he's not going to change anything? To me we're just sleepwalking and hoping it does, rather than actively making changes in order to do so.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
By the way Diamond, great point about the amount of games. Ange was saying last year that he wanted more games and this is the result. Massive injuries because the squad isn't there for him to rotate and win. We all knew this. How much else do we already know that's yet to dawn on him?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
By the way Diamond, great point about the amount of games. Ange was saying last year that he wanted more games and this is the result. Massive injuries because the squad isn't there for him to rotate and win. We all knew this. How much else do we already know that's yet to dawn on him?
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I have no answers & i don't know who's to blame.. I find the whole thing bizarre but its only gonna end one way.... I don't care what anyone says... there's so much spin to try and justify what Ange is doing but Spurs are not progressing.... We are a mess on and off the field (in every aspect except the balance sheet).... Its a business not a football club
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
As good as the City result and performance was, we're talking about probably Ange's best result at a time during Pep's worst ever managerial spell, and City's worst in like 10 years. They are in dire straits. Add to the fact we are kind of a bogey team for them anyway, then you almost have to start taking it with a pinch of salt.
The reality is we have now offered up more poor performances this season than good ones.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I see the flaws in our squad and I see the flaws in some of Ange's tactics. However, I'm pretty sure the same things (if not worse) were being said during Conte's reign and Mourinho's too.
Along comes Ange and he finishes 5th in his first season (up from 8th the previous season) and he's brought a brand of football that we'd all been crying out for before he came and he currently sits 3 points off top 4 and we're still in all competitions (including the latter stages of the EFL cup). I don't get the clamour for his head, or the snobbery because he's an Aussie
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 1 minute ago
I see the flaws in our squad and I see the flaws in some of Ange's tactics. However, I'm pretty sure the same things (if not worse) were being said during Conte's reign and Mourinho's too.
Along comes Ange and he finishes 5th in his first season (up from 8th the previous season) and he's brought a brand of football that we'd all been crying out for before he came and he currently sits 3 points off top 4 and we're still in all competitions (including the latter stages of the EFL cup). I don't get the clamour for his head, or the snobbery because he's an Aussie
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Stop worrying about prev managers... It doesn't mean anything. Also if you are gonna point out that we finished 5th (Up from 8th) you also have to mention the record for 75% of the season post chelsea (Having been top after 10 Games and how we have won as many as we have lost to start this year. Theres no which hunt Re Ange.... His stubbornness is bringing warranted criticism. Its exactly the same as Levy's focus on the business rather than the sport (Lack of success of any kind) is bringing him warranted flack.
If its not about winning football matches, then its all BS... It would appear Levy has hired a kindred spirit in Ange.... One points to ideology, the other to profitability.... Both massively miss the point !
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Like I said...... a massive disconnect !!!
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Gezza-Spurs (U18952)
posted 20 seconds ago
I see the flaws in our squad and I see the flaws in some of Ange's tactics. However, I'm pretty sure the same things (if not worse) were being said during Conte's reign and Mourinho's too.
Along comes Ange and he finishes 5th in his first season (up from 8th the previous season) and he's brought a brand of football that we'd all been crying out for before he came and he currently sits 3 points off top 4 and we're still in all competitions (including the latter stages of the EFL cup). I don't get the clamour for his head, or the snobbery because he's an Aussie
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5th when you have no European football and go out of the cups early is nothing special. Redknapp got top 4 and an FA Cup semi under the same conditions, AVB got 5th with European football and our highest ever points total at the time, Poch got 5th in his first season with European football.
Does any fan actually believe we will win something this season and/or get as high in the table as we did last season? And if not does that equate to Ange having done a good job?
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by fridgeboy (U1053)
posted 1 minute ago
By the way Diamond, great point about the amount of games. Ange was saying last year that he wanted more games and this is the result. Massive injuries because the squad isn't there for him to rotate and win. We all knew this. How much else do we already know that's yet to dawn on him?
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I have no answers & i don't know who's to blame.. I find the whole thing bizarre but its only gonna end one way.... I don't care what anyone says... there's so much spin to try and justify what Ange is doing but Spurs are not progressing.... We are a mess on and off the field (in every aspect except the balance sheet).... Its a business not a football club
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Yeah, I'm the same. I'm at a complete loss to know what to do about the situation. Ordinarily there's a thirst for change when something isn't working but I think us fans are tired of that because plainly, it also doesn't work.
I've got to an apathetic stage. When we scored yesterday I didn't really celebrate, such was the nature of the performance, I knew we'd eventually concede. It's all so predictable.
There's definitely a cult like behaviour around Ange but really that just clouds judgement. You have to look at the performances and results and neither have been any good. He has the worst record of any manager in the Levy era I think, certainly since Ramos. That said, I don't think I've got another manager search in me. What's the point? Ultimately, even if we find a gem, there's a ceiling because of the ENIC model. The problems right now are in the boardroom and on the pitch so ditching the one on the pitch makes little sense if the same dribbling little weasel making the decisions above continues to do so, and we'll forever be in this cycle.
What gets me is the amount of fans digging out Poch for being shiiiit are the same ones singing Ange's praises. WTF? Ange couldn't even dream of matching Poch's progress with us. It's an insult to even compare.
Anyway, I'm starting to care very little. I might have the occasional rant on here during or after a game but honestly, I'm just numb to the club now.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
Id have more time for Ange and his principles if he had the record in a top league to back up the bravado but he doesnt.
He blamed his woeful record in the CL with Celtic on a lack financial muscle and domestic competition to compete yet brags about his domestic successes in these pub league as some kind of badge of honor.... He's a snake oil salesman
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
So what is it Ange, He talks endlessly about all the things "we want to achieve" I have no idea what that means. He gets upset when he says people unfairly criticize him and Spurs but what does he expect? Surely there's a element of pragmatism in all elements of life.... His job is to WIN games.... what's the point of wins at Old Trafford & Man City if you cant motivate the players to get more than 2 points from Leicester, Ipswich, Palace and Fulham.
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You fallen into the trap of making up arguments in your own head.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
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And again. You're good at it.
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
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And again. You're good at it.
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Like I said.... I'm baffled about Spurs.. Dunno if its Ange, Levy, The players..... But something aint right.... who knows
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Luka Bosh Brasi (U22178)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Diamondlights (U20501)
posted 10 seconds ago
I think Ange is enjoying his day in the Sun...... I suspect in 12 months he'll be back in Oz, enjoying his pay-off and you'll never hear from him again. I don't think he was hired because anyone thought he was born winner/ great football tactician.... He was medicine to cure a fan base disillusioned after years of Conte, Jose & Nuno..... He's exactly what it says on the tin. A smart business decision (bums back on seats) but the wrong football one...... now where have I seen that before
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And again. You're good at it.
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Can ya tell I'm bored today
posted 1 week, 2 days ago
comment by Not So Bored As Fudge (U21998)
posted 1 hour, 10 minutes ago
Unfortunately Ange is becoming a bit of a religion with some on here and no criticism will be a accepted. When challenged, they say he needs 3 more windows without taking into consideration what is going on now.
No matter who he buys and plays as fullback, they will still be playing central midfield and whoever is a centre back will be standing in the opposition half or crossing from the byline. Our so called wingers won't be crossing or helping their fullbacks.
This is like a Colombo episode, we've seen the end and who did it, the story is how we get their.
I take no joy in this and am just baffled how many people refuse to see this.
There are players who don't suit the Premier League and we have a manager who falls into the same category.
These next three games, I think our manager is going to throw a hissy fit with the reaction of the fans on the stadium.
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You say "what is going on now" as if it's an unmitigated disaster.
We are quite well placed. 7th. 3 pts from top 4, 5 from 2nd. I would expect the sort of massive post mortem the some go through every time we don t win if we were well off this pace, out of the cups or doing no good in Europe.
Right now it's not the disaster that some are painting it as and it can still turn out to be our most successful season in over 30 years.
Those predicting a failed season after 13 pl games and half a dozen cup games are the usual ones attacking the club at all levels.
Ange won 26 of his first 50 PL games. Matching the records of Klopp and Aryeta, who had similar rebuilds to oversee.
Anyone who gives no allowance for missing 8 first teamers vs Fulham really lacks any sort of fairness or objectivity and are simply looking to bang their favourite drum. Similarly, anyone who thinks our squad should be perfect by now is also being totally unrealistic.
Folks like Diamond happy to kill any comment about the quality of the kids we bought as 'wild speculation' but very happy to use beyond wild speculation (closer to just being made up BS) about the Board and managers motives to inform his most negative of opinions.
Already judged Ange as the wrong man
Said it loads b4, when the going gets tough, real men/fans get in behind their team. Cowards stick the feckin knife in
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