comment by Silver (U6112)
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comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 48 minutes ago
Players: "We don't want to stand against homophobia because a religion we were born into has ingrained homophobia into us"

The FA: "Yeah, cool, no issue with that lads."
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What’s worse is that it’s against the rules to use religious messaging, but Guehi has got away with it.
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But against the LAW to discriminate on religion so he still wins.
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It’s not against the law to exclude religious messaging from the workplace.
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You can’t go around calling people cuuuunts, either. You can tell people they are wrong, like you are, though.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’s all a bit of a non issue, but it does open up a wider conversation about why we tolerate prejudice in the name of religion, in this day and age.
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at the same time, failing to support something does not equate to being against it.
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I think it fairly clearly suggests that’s the case, though.
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Unless he's just a regular homophobe of course but rather than the hassle of going down that path he's played the religion card knowing that makes him untouchable?

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’s all a bit of a non issue, but it does open up a wider conversation about why we tolerate prejudice in the name of religion, in this day and age.
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at the same time, failing to support something does not equate to being against it.
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I think it fairly clearly suggests that’s the case, though.
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bull ... it shows that your not wiling to support it, how does me saying or doing nothing to promote something mean that im anti or predjudice against it.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’s all a bit of a non issue, but it does open up a wider conversation about why we tolerate prejudice in the name of religion, in this day and age.
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at the same time, failing to support something does not equate to being against it.
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I think it fairly clearly suggests that’s the case, though.
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Unless he's just a regular homophobe of course but rather than the hassle of going down that path he's played the religion card knowing that makes him untouchable?
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In the case of the Ipswich player, he has worn plenty of promotional stuff for gambling and alcohol products.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 48 minutes ago
Players: "We don't want to stand against homophobia because a religion we were born into has ingrained homophobia into us"

The FA: "Yeah, cool, no issue with that lads."
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What’s worse is that it’s against the rules to use religious messaging, but Guehi has got away with it.
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But against the LAW to discriminate on religion so he still wins.
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It’s not against the law to exclude religious messaging from the workplace.
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You can’t go around calling people cuuuunts, either. You can tell people they are wrong, like you are, though.
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Its a whoosh because you just don't get it! *

He never brought religious messaging up and likely never wanted to until his dopey employer asked him to support something he doesn't believe in and felt he had to respond.

how is accepting homosexuality left leaning?

The Liberal and Tory partys are full of fruits.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’s all a bit of a non issue, but it does open up a wider conversation about why we tolerate prejudice in the name of religion, in this day and age.
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at the same time, failing to support something does not equate to being against it.
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I think it fairly clearly suggests that’s the case, though.
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Unless he's just a regular homophobe of course but rather than the hassle of going down that path he's played the religion card knowing that makes him untouchable?
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In the case of the Ipswich player, he has worn plenty of promotional stuff for gambling and alcohol products.
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Probably doesn’t think they are as sinful.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’s all a bit of a non issue, but it does open up a wider conversation about why we tolerate prejudice in the name of religion, in this day and age.
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at the same time, failing to support something does not equate to being against it.
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I think it fairly clearly suggests that’s the case, though.
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Unless he's just a regular homophobe of course but rather than the hassle of going down that path he's played the religion card knowing that makes him untouchable?
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In the case of the Ipswich player, he has worn plenty of promotional stuff for gambling and alcohol products.
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In my experience religious people generally pick and choose what bits they want to follow and when.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’s all a bit of a non issue, but it does open up a wider conversation about why we tolerate prejudice in the name of religion, in this day and age.
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at the same time, failing to support something does not equate to being against it.
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I think it fairly clearly suggests that’s the case, though.
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bull ... it shows that your not wiling to support it, how does me saying or doing nothing to promote something mean that im anti or predjudice against it.
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If it’s a club policy and he’s refusing, it’d be interesting to hear what reason he’d have - citing religion - that doesn’t involve him being against homosexuality.

I’m not sure there is one.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 36 seconds ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 45 seconds ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 12 minutes ago
comment by Arnefield RAP (U22951)
posted 48 minutes ago
Players: "We don't want to stand against homophobia because a religion we were born into has ingrained homophobia into us"

The FA: "Yeah, cool, no issue with that lads."
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What’s worse is that it’s against the rules to use religious messaging, but Guehi has got away with it.
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But against the LAW to discriminate on religion so he still wins.
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It’s not against the law to exclude religious messaging from the workplace.
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You can’t go around calling people cuuuunts, either. You can tell people they are wrong, like you are, though.
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Its a whoosh because you just don't get it! *

He never brought religious messaging up and likely never wanted to until his dopey employer asked him to support something he doesn't believe in and felt he had to respond.
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That’s not the whoosh smiley.

He did bring up religious messaging by putting it on the armband. He didn’t have to wear the armband. But you’ve made a failed attempt to defend it by arguing it’s against the law to discriminate against religion, whereas the premier league and FA rules around religious messaging aren’t against the law. Wanna have another go?

Player can’t write a Christian message and display it at his place of work in a country with Christian principles - nothing new but it’s just ridiculous. Shows where this country’s at.

Now I get it, the PL doesn’t want any religious or political messaging displayed in the game (except the ones they choose to allow - Poppy, Ukraine; double standards?) fair enough.

Personally if I was in Guehi’s position I would just ask to wear the regular armband. I’m assuming the rainbow
one isn’t forced. Any possible banning for his actions would just be overboard

What I see with these types of situations (and certain ones in particular) time and again is that unless you actively support these campaigns, you’re automatically against them. It’s no longer good enough to even respectfully decline to participate

Btw, what’s the P and X mean in the ever increasing letters?

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 2 minutes ago
Whilst I applaud any effort to promote inclusion it also hasn't escaped my attention that a lot of what is happening is just paying lip service to the issue. If they truly wanted to be inclusive, no matter what, then they'd only sign players who are comfortable in wearing clothing etc that aligns with these kind of campaigns.
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Then if, as seems, there are substantial numbers not wanting to wear it for religious reasons wouldn't that be religious discrimination?

Just as it would be if the FA said anything other than 'we respect your decision' and left it at that.
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What if someone created a religion that is against black people? Would we religiously discriminate against them if we didn't allow them their religious view?

For me a human right trumps a religious right any day of the week (including Sundays!)

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 12 minutes ago
It’s all a bit of a non issue, but it does open up a wider conversation about why we tolerate prejudice in the name of religion, in this day and age.
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at the same time, failing to support something does not equate to being against it.
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I think it fairly clearly suggests that’s the case, though.
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bull ... it shows that your not wiling to support it, how does me saying or doing nothing to promote something mean that im anti or predjudice against it.
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If it’s a club policy and he’s refusing, it’d be interesting to hear what reason he’d have - citing religion - that doesn’t involve him being against homosexuality.

I’m not sure there is one.
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exactly its all in the reason as to why you dont wear it ..... failing to support it does not automatically mean your against it. I have never worn any rainbow product, I can assure you im not against gay people or whatever category the may fall into.

If the Ipswich player says that its due to religion then I tend not to believe that as he has in the past promoted gambling and alcohol.

I meant to say above that you’re automatically perceived to be against a cause if you don’t support it

What I see with these types of situations (and certain ones in particular) time and again is that unless you actively support these campaigns, you’re automatically against them. It’s no longer good enough to even respectfully decline to participate
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Agreed, the double standards and hypocrisy is astounding.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
Why does this need to be called out at all? People from this community aren’t marginalised in football.
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Name me one openly gay player currently playing in the premier league.

As for the OP, I don’t think players should be forced. But players should be expected to explain their opposition to inclusivity.
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Yup.

"Religious reasons" doesn't cut it.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 15 minutes ago

That’s not the whoosh smiley.
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It is where I come from but I'm fine if you have another definition.

comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
What I see with these types of situations (and certain ones in particular) time and again is that unless you actively support these campaigns, you’re automatically against them. It’s no longer good enough to even respectfully decline to participate
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Agreed, the double standards and hypocrisy is astounding.


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yup, people are no longer able to just say "I dont really care about any of it" that seems to be construed as he is anti-(fill the blank). Why are you not wearing the rainbow armband ..... " I dont really care for any of that, I just wanna play football" would be viewed as being against it in todays world.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
Why does this need to be called out at all? People from this community aren’t marginalised in football.
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Name me one openly gay player currently playing in the premier league.

As for the OP, I don’t think players should be forced. But players should be expected to explain their opposition to inclusivity.
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Yup.

"Religious reasons" doesn't cut it.
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WTF next?

Explain who you voted for?
Explain why you never eat cheese?
Explain why you aint married?
Explain why you've never worn yellow.

JEEEEEZUS FACK!

The tracksuit thing seems excessive, my views on this are:

- Most of these players are hypocrites and are getting away with homophobia under the guise of "religion" but don't complain about the betting sponsors/money lenders etc etc etc on their badges/sponsorship etc

- I don't know what difference making someone wear a rainbow armband has. I don't mind making it a personal choice, we need to stop looking up to football players who are immensely flawed individuals. However I appreciate the target audience of kids/teenagers may not know that distinction yet.

comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 hour, 58 minutes ago
comment by Fred Slot (U3979)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by UmaThurmans_BigToe (U22864)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Cinciwolf-----JA606 NFL fantasy champ 2023 (U11551)
posted 3 minutes ago
I imagine players don't openly admit to being gay due to the crowd reaction rather than how they would be perceived by fellow players. Seems a fairly logical thought process to not come out as gay when you have to step into an arena 45 times a season with 30-70k morons singing and chanting.
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On the flip side playing devils advocate, could there just be no gay players in the PL? I mean as wild as that sounds it is an actual possibility.
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I would imagine that is highly unlikely
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Based on what? I think there are maybe 2 or 3 of thousands of footballers that have ever played in England that came out as gay even after they retired and don't face the madding crowds.

Pretty much every footballer I can think of has a wife or girlfriend too.

Maybe it just is the case that this tiny tiny proportion of society has no gay players?
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Of all the lads that I went to school with that played football, I can't think of a single one that has come out as gay. And that is across a 3 year age group.
Most of the lads that were obviously gay or who came out as gay later in life tended to be more interested in drama and art clubs rather than sports. Obviously a small sample size, but I'd expect the trend is common across the board. At least for my generation. Perhaps that is changing/will change as people become more accepting.

I'm not saying that there aren't any gay footballers at all, but I expect that the percentage is a lot lower than that in the general population.
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Happened to a lad in my school team in the 90s, came out as Gay. Dropped from the team. All in all was pretty hostile for him. Casual homophobia was rife then too "That's Gay" was a casual insult used constantly.

Not sure compelling folk to wear anything is the solution, but clubs themselves having a clear message about tolerance is good to see. Or allowing players to champion the message if they like.

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
What I see with these types of situations (and certain ones in particular) time and again is that unless you actively support these campaigns, you’re automatically against them. It’s no longer good enough to even respectfully decline to participate
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Agreed, the double standards and hypocrisy is astounding.


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yup, people are no longer able to just say "I dont really care about any of it" that seems to be construed as he is anti-(fill the blank). Why are you not wearing the rainbow armband ..... " I dont really care for any of that, I just wanna play football" would be viewed as being against it in todays world.
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For sure, if you say you don't care.... which I'm guessing majority of people feel, holy moly will you be attacked by the internet/social media mob and labeled, cancelled and whatever tactics that are used in this day and age to make you feel like you did something wrong.

In the real world, people just don't care, got other things to worry about that are more important.

comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
Why does this need to be called out at all? People from this community aren’t marginalised in football.
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Name me one openly gay player currently playing in the premier league.

As for the OP, I don’t think players should be forced. But players should be expected to explain their opposition to inclusivity.
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Yup.

"Religious reasons" doesn't cut it.
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Why don’t religious reasons cut it? It’s a person’s personal belief. A human right. Those who are not religious also have a personal belief. Atheism is still a belief system like it or not. Should Atheism not cut it either?

That's too bad, admin, but may have been the least worst course if more lads would have left the team?

Yesterday I (ab)used the example of women not wanting to share dressing rooms with trans women for sexuality reasons. Of course women are never asked to share dressing rooms with men for that reason but once we are down that path of defining various sexualities as opposed to sticking with two biological genders then it becomes all complicated. This is the state we are in and it is difficult navigation.