comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 44 seconds ago
That's too bad, admin, but may have been the least worst course if more lads would have left the team?

Yesterday I (ab)used the example of women not wanting to share dressing rooms with trans women for sexuality reasons. Of course women are never asked to share dressing rooms with men for that reason but once we are down that path of defining various sexualities as opposed to sticking with two biological genders then it becomes all complicated. This is the state we are in and it is difficult navigation.
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Holy fack

comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Hector (U3606)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 3 hours, 2 minutes ago
Why does this need to be called out at all? People from this community aren’t marginalised in football.
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Name me one openly gay player currently playing in the premier league.

As for the OP, I don’t think players should be forced. But players should be expected to explain their opposition to inclusivity.
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Yup.

"Religious reasons" doesn't cut it.
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Why don’t religious reasons cut it? It’s a person’s personal belief. A human right. Those who are not religious also have a personal belief. Atheism is still a belief system like it or not. Should Atheism not cut it either?
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It’s not a human right to be bigoted because your religion tells you to.

comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
What I see with these types of situations (and certain ones in particular) time and again is that unless you actively support these campaigns, you’re automatically against them. It’s no longer good enough to even respectfully decline to participate
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Agreed, the double standards and hypocrisy is astounding.


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yup, people are no longer able to just say "I dont really care about any of it" that seems to be construed as he is anti-(fill the blank). Why are you not wearing the rainbow armband ..... " I dont really care for any of that, I just wanna play football" would be viewed as being against it in todays world.
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For sure, if you say you don't care.... which I'm guessing majority of people feel, holy moly will you be attacked by the internet/social media mob and labeled, cancelled and whatever tactics that are used in this day and age to make you feel like you did something wrong.

In the real world, people just don't care, got other things to worry about that are more important.
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People that don’t really care wouldn’t refuse to wear something due to their religious beliefs.

I'm not trying to be rude silver, and I'm roughly aware of your beliefs, but that may be the most stupid thing I've seen posted on this forum all year.

comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
What I see with these types of situations (and certain ones in particular) time and again is that unless you actively support these campaigns, you’re automatically against them. It’s no longer good enough to even respectfully decline to participate
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Agreed, the double standards and hypocrisy is astounding.


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yup, people are no longer able to just say "I dont really care about any of it" that seems to be construed as he is anti-(fill the blank). Why are you not wearing the rainbow armband ..... " I dont really care for any of that, I just wanna play football" would be viewed as being against it in todays world.
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For sure, if you say you don't care.... which I'm guessing majority of people feel, holy moly will you be attacked by the internet/social media mob and labeled, cancelled and whatever tactics that are used in this day and age to make you feel like you did something wrong.

In the real world, people just don't care, got other things to worry about that are more important.
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People that don’t really care wouldn’t refuse to wear something due to their religious beliefs.
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but at the same time if you dont care then you shouldnt be forced by the club or society to wear and promote if its nothing something you care about.

"cos they laces look stupid and I prefer the black ones" should be a valid reason for not wearing it. using religion when you have already wore stuff that your religion is against isnt a valid reason IMO.

comment by Edinspur (U1109)
posted 4 minutes ago
I'm not trying to be rude silver, and I'm roughly aware of your beliefs, but that may be the most stupid thing I've seen posted on this forum all year.
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That's cool.

The same rights that protect gay people are the same rights that enshrine the right to refuse to wear the colours. Freedom of speech and conscience means freedom of speech and conscience.

Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.

I am a Christian, and I support the rainbow laces, but I respect others views not to support it and I would never tell them they have to support it either.

I guess the FA need to get really hard on players if they start punishing people for their religious beliefs, how many Muslim/Christian players have we seen giving a prayer before the game kicks off ? Will that now be allowed ?

We are all told we need to be more tolerant, so where is the tolerance for the people who do not want to support it, but want to support their religion ?

comment by 1 Father- 1 Love - 2 Reds (U13312)
posted 1 hour, 3 minutes ago
Btw, what’s the P and X mean in the ever increasing letters?
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P is for Pansexuals and the X is for gender or sexuality non binary beings.

The full letters are extensive and can be found on the rainbowandco.uk website I believe their is currently 27 recognised sexual orientations

Israel bomb children in the name of religion and the MSM happily turn a blind eye to it but when Guehi tells the world that Jesus loves them, that’s when shiiit should hit the fan.

He never said Jesus Christ anyway so the PL can biiitch and cry all they want but there is not a hope in hell they get away with punishing him for that

Common Mazraoui W

comment by Bats Uncensored (U18355)
posted 1 minute ago
Israel bomb children in the name of religion and the MSM happily turn a blind eye to it but when Guehi tells the world that Jesus loves them, that’s when shiiit should hit the fan.

He never said Jesus Christ anyway so the PL can biiitch and cry all they want but there is not a hope in hell they get away with punishing him for that
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This is true, Guehi might have been referring to Gabriel Jesus. Not religious messaging but significantly more creepy.

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 1 hour, 57 minutes ago
comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 4 minutes ago
Always feel conflicted on this. On the one hand, I do t think players should be compelled to wear things they don’t want to.

On the other hand, any player using their religion as an excuse for not supporting a gay rights cause should have their beliefs roundly condemned as being backwards. Frankly, they should get better beliefs.
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I ask again, who gets to decide what the 'correct' beliefs are and why should they?
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Very basic ethical “first principles”. If your beliefs discriminate against others then they are by default going to be near enough impossible to defend. I’d really rather not have to write an essay explaining such an obviously simply concept.

Mazraoui is free to believe what he wants. But if he has views that are discriminatory to others because he thinks an imaginary god wants him to believe those things then he’s an idiot and the basis of those beliefs is indeed wrong, objectively.

Of course, in the case of Mazraoui and other players then they’re not actually doing any harm by holding stupid beliefs in their heads, and as I insinuated, I have some sympathy for them being cajoled into a position in which their religious-driven idiocy ends up being scrutinised in public when that idiocy has only ever occurred in the privacy of their own mind. To my knowledge, Mazraoui isn’t actively going around spouting religiously driven anti-gay rhetoric, so I see no need for him to be subjected to public vilification for not wanting to wear something that has been thrust upon him.

Equally, it would be nice if players could string a coherent sentence together in their own words about why they do or do not want to participate in certain displays of support for certain causes through their visibility as sports people representing global sporting brands.

comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.

I am a Christian, and I support the rainbow laces, but I respect others views not to support it and I would never tell them they have to support it either.

I guess the FA need to get really hard on players if they start punishing people for their religious beliefs, how many Muslim/Christian players have we seen giving a prayer before the game kicks off ? Will that now be allowed ?

We are all told we need to be more tolerant, so where is the tolerance for the people who do not want to support it, but want to support their religion ?

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You think we should respect the views of people who believe homosexuality is wrong?

comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 12 minutes ago

Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.
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comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 12 minutes ago

Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.
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I had the exact same reaction.

"Nobody is noticing it" = "nothing has ever been complained about so much or so vociferously in the entirety of human history"

comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 36 minutes ago
comment by Ruben The King Amorim Tim Tagi Dim (U10026)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by whodunnit (U22710)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Obi Van Kobbie (U4302)
posted 1 minute ago
What I see with these types of situations (and certain ones in particular) time and again is that unless you actively support these campaigns, you’re automatically against them. It’s no longer good enough to even respectfully decline to participate
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Agreed, the double standards and hypocrisy is astounding.


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yup, people are no longer able to just say "I dont really care about any of it" that seems to be construed as he is anti-(fill the blank). Why are you not wearing the rainbow armband ..... " I dont really care for any of that, I just wanna play football" would be viewed as being against it in todays world.
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For sure, if you say you don't care.... which I'm guessing majority of people feel, holy moly will you be attacked by the internet/social media mob and labeled, cancelled and whatever tactics that are used in this day and age to make you feel like you did something wrong.

In the real world, people just don't care, got other things to worry about that are more important.
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People that don’t really care wouldn’t refuse to wear something due to their religious beliefs.
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but at the same time if you dont care then you shouldnt be forced by the club or society to wear and promote if its nothing something you care about.

"cos they laces look stupid and I prefer the black ones" should be a valid reason for not wearing it. using religion when you have already wore stuff that your religion is against isnt a valid reason IMO.
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But the point being argued is that because someone doesn’t support something doesn’t mean they aren’t against it and may just not care. This is logically inconsistent with someone refusing to support something because of their religion.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.

I am a Christian, and I support the rainbow laces, but I respect others views not to support it and I would never tell them they have to support it either.

I guess the FA need to get really hard on players if they start punishing people for their religious beliefs, how many Muslim/Christian players have we seen giving a prayer before the game kicks off ? Will that now be allowed ?

We are all told we need to be more tolerant, so where is the tolerance for the people who do not want to support it, but want to support their religion ?

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You think we should respect the views of people who believe homosexuality is wrong?
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People are free to respect or not respect any views they want to respect or not respect.

comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.

I am a Christian, and I support the rainbow laces, but I respect others views not to support it and I would never tell them they have to support it either.

I guess the FA need to get really hard on players if they start punishing people for their religious beliefs, how many Muslim/Christian players have we seen giving a prayer before the game kicks off ? Will that now be allowed ?

We are all told we need to be more tolerant, so where is the tolerance for the people who do not want to support it, but want to support their religion ?

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You think we should respect the views of people who believe homosexuality is wrong?
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At a fundamental survival of the species level, it is wrong.

If we could send one space ship into space to avoid an extinction event in the hope of reaching and repopulating on a new planet, we wouldn’t send people carrying the gay gene.

comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 27 seconds ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.

I am a Christian, and I support the rainbow laces, but I respect others views not to support it and I would never tell them they have to support it either.

I guess the FA need to get really hard on players if they start punishing people for their religious beliefs, how many Muslim/Christian players have we seen giving a prayer before the game kicks off ? Will that now be allowed ?

We are all told we need to be more tolerant, so where is the tolerance for the people who do not want to support it, but want to support their religion ?

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You think we should respect the views of people who believe homosexuality is wrong?
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People are free to respect or not respect any views they want to respect or not respect.
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I think we all know that already, but thanks.

comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Disband the PGMOL (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 12 minutes ago

Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.
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I had the exact same reaction.

"Nobody is noticing it" = "nothing has ever been complained about so much or so vociferously in the entirety of human history"
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Nobody noticing it aside, his comment is spot on

At a fundamental survival of the species level, it is wrong.

If we could send one space ship into space to avoid an extinction event in the hope of reaching and repopulating on a new planet, we wouldn’t send people carrying the gay gene.

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Thankfully, we are not at a "fundamental survival of the species level".

comment by He’s French, He’s Flash… (U9335)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Winston (U16525)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by LordDowlias (U3236)
posted 10 minutes ago
Ive tried avoiding this subject on here, but reading this thread really troubles me.

We are moving more and more to a fascist society every day, we are being told by the far left what we should support, what is offensive, what we are allowed to find funny, TV programs with the required content in them, films with the required content in them, what we say can now land us in trouble with the law.

I could go on.

And nobody is noticing it.

I am a Christian, and I support the rainbow laces, but I respect others views not to support it and I would never tell them they have to support it either.

I guess the FA need to get really hard on players if they start punishing people for their religious beliefs, how many Muslim/Christian players have we seen giving a prayer before the game kicks off ? Will that now be allowed ?

We are all told we need to be more tolerant, so where is the tolerance for the people who do not want to support it, but want to support their religion ?

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You think we should respect the views of people who believe homosexuality is wrong?
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At a fundamental survival of the species level, it is wrong.

If we could send one space ship into space to avoid an extinction event in the hope of reaching and repopulating on a new planet, we wouldn’t send people carrying the gay gene.
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Well seeing as being gay wont affect the survival of mankind, I think we can rule this one out.

We are all told we need to be more tolerant, so where is the tolerance for the people who are bigoted, but want to hide behind their religion?
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Fixed that for you.

comment by Clockwork Red: Rúben's Train (U4892)
posted 2 minutes ago
At a fundamental survival of the species level, it is wrong.

If we could send one space ship into space to avoid an extinction event in the hope of reaching and repopulating on a new planet, we wouldn’t send people carrying the gay gene.

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Thankfully, we are not at a "fundamental survival of the species level".
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You wouldn’t believe that if you’d read the reactions online and in the MSM to Trump being elected.