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comment by Pun (U21588)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
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So what now, repeat history and chase Mitchell.. from Newcastle?
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Knowing ineos we’ll end up with Phil Mitchell from east Enders
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Dunno who that is cause I have a life
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no you don’t. If I picked anyone on this site who has no life you’d beat first pick by a landslide
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Anyone who watches fooking EastEnders can get in the bin
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Agreed
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Who needs EastEnders when you can watch us

comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 30 minutes ago
Given the complexity of bringing him in to begin with, this is a mess.

That said, we've no idea what led to this outcome. If Ashworth really was in favour of retaining ETH or bringing in Southgate then that would be a concern for me.
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Yes, if he was projecting that vision to the group and they started to exclude him, well done that group.


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Southgate will be in next after Amorim, we’ve got that to look forward too …
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We are the biggest soap opera in the world. Should be on Netflix not Sky Sports.

Long way back on the pitch but we already knew that when we appointed Ruben.

It's looking like a long way back for INEOS already too. The trust has already gone. Fans aren't happy with them over a number of decisions and they haven't even completed a full year yet.

Absolute shambles but at least there's never a dull moment. 😂

comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
posted 23 minutes ago
comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
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comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 30 minutes ago
Given the complexity of bringing him in to begin with, this is a mess.

That said, we've no idea what led to this outcome. If Ashworth really was in favour of retaining ETH or bringing in Southgate then that would be a concern for me.
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Yes, if he was projecting that vision to the group and they started to exclude him, well done that group.


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Southgate will be in next after Amorim, we’ve got that to look forward too …
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Does that mean it's coming home then?

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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 23 seconds ago
So what now, repeat history and chase Mitchell.. from Newcastle?
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Knowing ineos we’ll end up with Phil Mitchell from east Enders
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Dunno who that is cause I have a life
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no you don’t. If I picked anyone on this site who has no life you’d beat first pick by a landslide
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Anyone who watches fooking EastEnders can get in the bin
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Agreed
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Who needs EastEnders when you can watch us
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Is that coming from a big us fan?

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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 23 seconds ago
So what now, repeat history and chase Mitchell.. from Newcastle?
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Knowing ineos we’ll end up with Phil Mitchell from east Enders
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Dunno who that is cause I have a life
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no you don’t. If I picked anyone on this site who has no life you’d beat first pick by a landslide
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Anyone who watches fooking EastEnders can get in the bin
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Agreed
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Who needs EastEnders when you can watch us
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Is that coming from a big us fan?
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Not sure where you are going with this one Pun but yes I am a big fan of us United now the biggest feck up in sporting history, three episodes a week until the new year

comment by Pun (U21588)
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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Shinjury list (U1700)
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comment by BerbaKing11 (U6256)
posted 30 minutes ago
Given the complexity of bringing him in to begin with, this is a mess.

That said, we've no idea what led to this outcome. If Ashworth really was in favour of retaining ETH or bringing in Southgate then that would be a concern for me.
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Yes, if he was projecting that vision to the group and they started to exclude him, well done that group.


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Southgate will be in next after Amorim, we’ve got that to look forward too …
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Does that mean it's coming home then?
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Yes, yes it does

what's coming home? Sir Gareth?

At least our women beat the Dippers 4-0

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
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At least our women beat the Dippers 4-0
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I thought they played forrest yesterday?!

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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
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comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
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comment by Pun (U21588)
posted 23 seconds ago
So what now, repeat history and chase Mitchell.. from Newcastle?
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Knowing ineos we’ll end up with Phil Mitchell from east Enders
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Dunno who that is cause I have a life
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no you don’t. If I picked anyone on this site who has no life you’d beat first pick by a landslide
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Anyone who watches fooking EastEnders can get in the bin
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Agreed
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Who needs EastEnders when you can watch us
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Is that coming from a big us fan?
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Not sure where you are going with this one Pun but yes I am a big fan of us United now the biggest feck up in sporting history, three episodes a week until the new year
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Barry reference innit

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
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At least our women beat the Dippers 4-0
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Was VVD playing?

What a mess

comment by Robben Amorim (U22716)
posted 4 hours, 42 minutes ago
On Twitter they’re saying it’s because he didn’t want Ten Hag to leave. So if that’s the level of his football knowledge I’m fine with him going.
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I've read he wanted Southgate and spat his dummy out over it

https://x.com/UnitedRedReport/status/1865772738327015857?s=19

Suggestions that INEOS weren't impressed with Ashworth performance, and with all the other talent in the team both above and below him, the leadership structure appeared bloated. Very messy start to the INEOS era, and it reflects badly on Ratcliffe and Brailsford in particular. Only positive, I suppose, is if this reflects a culture in which mistakes are recognised and rectified quickly.

Best case scenario: Ashworth was solely responsible for preventing decisive action on ETH in the summer, and the new team will be much more aligned. Worst case scenario (as Rosso outlined) is Ratcliffe wanting much more personal control than he has communicated thus far, in which case we haven't left the Woodward era after all.

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5978018/2024/12/08/dan-ashworth-manchester-united-exit-reasons/

Some more detailed and reliable reporting on the Ashworth sacking here. Some key points:

- Ratcliffe was disappointed by Ashworth's lack of informed input on ETH replacement candidates. Apparently, the names he put forward was a list of people with PL experience: Eddie Howe, Marco Silva, Thomas Frank and Graham Potter.
- Ashworth wasn't really involved in the selection of / negotiations for Amorim. Ratcliffe was keen to select someone with the charisma to handle the burden of the United job.
- Ratcliffe was disappointed with Ashworth's lack of decisiveness / assertiveness around the head coach question, and the fact that he failed to look beyond figures he was already familiar with.
- Ashworth's core skill is as an operations manager who can optimise the organisational structure and ensure decision making works efficiently. There's a suggestion that Ratcliffe incorrectly expected him to have greater recruitment knowledge/impact, which would be a failure of due diligence on INEOS's part.
- Ashworth was popular among staff and actively working on changes to the sporting structure.
- Some see this as evidence of Ratcliffe being too involved in the running of the club. Others argue that he is naturally interested, having invested so much, but not overly influencing things. Ratcliffe himself has said: “I don’t make the decisions, but I like to feel comfortable that we’re making the correct decisions. I do get involved in most of the big decisions, but ultimately so that I can understand the rationale behind them.”
- It's possible that the executive team started to look a bit bloated, with Berrada (Ashworth's boss) able to get involved in sporting discussions as well as purely financial ones, and having a close relationship with Wilcox.

Does all beg the question where was the due diligence before appointing him.

Apparently, the names he put forward was a list of people with PL experience: Eddie Howe, Marco Silva, Thomas Frank and Graham Potter.
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I can see where he's coming from logically but Silva, really?

The Athletic's Laurie Whitwell was on MOTD last night. Interesting short converstaion with the pundits.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/videos/c0j1nv0epjvo

If Ashworth really was in the ETH camp... who also didnt want RA.... in this gang of Executives that Jim has assembled, then MUFC are well shut of him. The MEN are claiming that he even preferred his mate Southgate over RA. United have dodged a bullet sacking both ETH and Ashworth. But should have sacked both of them at the same time in the summer or not even appointed Ashworth after his £3M gardening leave. Especially whilst sacking low paid workers at OT and hiking the cost of tickets to save money to pay for the financial mess that they partly caused. Terrible business management by Jim and INEOS.

But Im sure United will get over it soon and progress under RA. Just keep out of things Jim... apart from your money. Thats all we want from you.

Thanks for sharing that link RBW. Agree with your wider comment. The charitable interpretation to this is that sacking Ashworth represents quickly acting on something that wasn't right. But it still means the initial decision making was flawed. INEOS wanted to bring in the best people to run the club (good). INEOS chose the wrong man for the job they had in mind (bad). It raises the question of whether INEOS also needed to rely more on external expertise to select their executives, and whether they relied too much on Brailsford's generic sporting competence over football-specific figures.

This is a shambles, but not a catastrophe if it means we go forward with a stable and coherent team. If it's evidence of a Ratcliffe tendency to stick his oar in, then my optimism about the INEOS era was misplaced.