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This is now proper reaching btw

Just seen a still from the penalty shootout, think it was Engels penalty, and the rules clearly state that only the kicker and the goalkeeper should be in the penalty area, the goalkeeper from the kickers team should be on the goal line, outside the penalty area

Schmeichel is inside the box, walking towards the 6 yard box before Engels has even kicked the ball

The refs yesterday were really fcking poor
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Aye I did notice that at the time and was amazed he wasn't told to fvck off out the box.

Tbf he was out of eyeline so other than shouting he wasn't interfering with play

Pure accidental 600 there - like accidental blow too soon which we’ve all suffered tbf

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comment by St3vie (U11028)
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This is now proper reaching btw

Just seen a still from the penalty shootout, think it was Engels penalty, and the rules clearly state that only the kicker and the goalkeeper should be in the penalty area, the goalkeeper from the kickers team should be on the goal line, outside the penalty area

Schmeichel is inside the box, walking towards the 6 yard box before Engels has even kicked the ball

The refs yesterday were really fcking poor
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Aye I did notice that at the time and was amazed he wasn't told to fvck off out the box.

Tbf he was out of eyeline so other than shouting he wasn't interfering with play
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Which matters not a jot like

comment by Silver (U6112)
posted 6 minutes ago
His idea of game management is booking people, whistling like Fvck and scary faces.
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Shame Ginger couldn't ref the latest Charity Match

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comment by St3vie (U11028)
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This is now proper reaching btw

Just seen a still from the penalty shootout, think it was Engels penalty, and the rules clearly state that only the kicker and the goalkeeper should be in the penalty area, the goalkeeper from the kickers team should be on the goal line, outside the penalty area

Schmeichel is inside the box, walking towards the 6 yard box before Engels has even kicked the ball

The refs yesterday were really fcking poor
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Aye I did notice that at the time and was amazed he wasn't told to fvck off out the box.

Tbf he was out of eyeline so other than shouting he wasn't interfering with play
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Which matters not a jot like
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Other question has to be why VAR aren't getting involved there

Pretty sure if either goalkeeper was a millimeter off their line for any of the pens it would have been retaken, or if it was during normal play and their was encroachment they would get involved....but seems they didn't give a fck either

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comment by St3vie (U11028)
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This is now proper reaching btw

Just seen a still from the penalty shootout, think it was Engels penalty, and the rules clearly state that only the kicker and the goalkeeper should be in the penalty area, the goalkeeper from the kickers team should be on the goal line, outside the penalty area

Schmeichel is inside the box, walking towards the 6 yard box before Engels has even kicked the ball

The refs yesterday were really fcking poor
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Aye I did notice that at the time and was amazed he wasn't told to fvck off out the box.

Tbf he was out of eyeline so other than shouting he wasn't interfering with play
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Which matters not a jot like
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It's also a bit of a grey area, just looked at the penalty kick rules and there are two parts of it which contradict each other

"The players other than the kicker and goalkeeper must be:
• at least 9.15 m (10 yds) from the penalty mark
• behind the penalty mark
• inside the field of play
• outside the penalty area"

Followed by:

"a team-mate of the player taking the penalty kick is penalised for encroachment only if:
• the encroachment clearly impacted on the goalkeeper"

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 5 minutes ago
This is now proper reaching btw

Just seen a still from the penalty shootout, think it was Engels penalty, and the rules clearly state that only the kicker and the goalkeeper should be in the penalty area, the goalkeeper from the kickers team should be on the goal line, outside the penalty area

Schmeichel is inside the box, walking towards the 6 yard box before Engels has even kicked the ball

The refs yesterday were really fcking poor
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Same with Butland for the Yilmaz penalty iirc , should have got a retake for that as well

Let's replay the match , I think these stills that people have on their phones justifies it

Just remembered about the Santa dash through argyle street before the game as well.

This long ball game rangers get labelled with is fair enough.
The last few games they have been playing out from defence, moving through the midfield whilst getting the ball out wide to Cerny or jefte to get crosses in.

They go long with souter now and then but the last few games looks like they are trying to play more faster possession type football

Before it was slow turgid tippy tappy back and forward football.

it's taken a while, but finally catholics have infiltrated scottish football at the top level.

soon rangers player will be forced to take communion before entering the pitch, and no more water at the side of the pitch, just wine.

going to be cath-class.

i think if you had souttar it would have been a different game.

we wouldn't have needed penalties, he's schite.

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posted 48 minutes ago
‘Celtic and their big bucks have stole the establishment from us with bungs’

I hope this is serious.
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Very, not a laughing matter

comment by St3vie (U11028)
posted 3 hours, 27 minutes ago
It's more VAR that I'm concerned with mate...can understand how Beaton doesn't see it's on the line, can understand the linesman not giving it as things are happening outside the box and on the line.....but VAR have a clear view of a foul starting outside the box, continuing while both the defender is in the box and Cerny's foot is on the line, then finishing with Cerny falling over outside the box.

I don't like the idea that the VAR has to disagree with the ref entirely in order for the correct decision to be come to.....fully believe in such instances, if there is a dubiety, the ref should be allowed to see all the angles and make the decision, surely that's the whole point of having the VAR no?

Hate sitting arguing about ref decisions changing games, we did enough to win that game even without that decision going our way, and we still didn't do it

The second goal we gave away was absolutely criminal
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Var did intervene. They checked it and cleared it and I can see why.

I think what happended was beaton gave the foul for the first kick by scales rather than the shirt pull. Once he gives the freekick for that then var checked it and confirmed the first kick happened outside the box.

Remember the punditry team confirmed VAR looked at it and cleared it.

I think as always clement is looking for excuses as that is what he always does when he loses.

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It's more VAR that I'm concerned with mate...can understand how Beaton doesn't see it's on the line, can understand the linesman not giving it as things are happening outside the box and on the line.....but VAR have a clear view of a foul starting outside the box, continuing while both the defender is in the box and Cerny's foot is on the line, then finishing with Cerny falling over outside the box.

I don't like the idea that the VAR has to disagree with the ref entirely in order for the correct decision to be come to.....fully believe in such instances, if there is a dubiety, the ref should be allowed to see all the angles and make the decision, surely that's the whole point of having the VAR no?

Hate sitting arguing about ref decisions changing games, we did enough to win that game even without that decision going our way, and we still didn't do it

The second goal we gave away was absolutely criminal
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Var did intervene. They checked it and cleared it and I can see why.

I think what happended was beaton gave the foul for the first kick by scales rather than the shirt pull. Once he gives the freekick for that then var checked it and confirmed the first kick happened outside the box.

Remember the punditry team confirmed VAR looked at it and cleared it.

I think as always clement is looking for excuses as that is what he always does when he loses.
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I understand all this mate......but if Beaton has given the free kick for the first foul....he's done the wrong thing in my view, same as when it was mentioned earlier about a foul being given on the halfway line when Celtic were on the attack

I have no issue if this is what has happened....but I will have an issue if Collum says the decision making here was correct, because same as the linesmen, the refs are told to allow play to go on until advantage is lost, Beaton hasn't done that if he's blown for a foul when Cerny still has possession, is on his feet and needs to be hauled down by Scales before the attack stops

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comment by Changing my name from My POV - but not decided... (U10636)
posted 48 minutes ago
‘Celtic and their big bucks have stole the establishment from us with bungs’

I hope this is serious.
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Very, not a laughing matter
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I disagree-i think it is.

I also think you should step away from the internet for a couple of days with some of the stuff you’ve been coming out with. For your own sake.

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I keep hearing this two fouls argument.....to me they are all the same incident....Scales basically tried to stop Cerny by any means whatsoever, so when the first attempt fails he starts pulling at him

For me it's a complete cop out that argument....and if that's what Willie Collum comes out with I'll be disappointed, because of the first foul didn't stop Cerny, advantage should be played until there is none, and it was the shirt pull that finally stopped Cerny in his tracks
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So you also think that the ref should have let us attack at pace down the left when one of our players got wiped out at the halfway line? The first fould didn't stop our attack

As I said before keep going, you are only convincing yourself
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Yes, I do think the ref should have allowed that

Point being made is...if Collum says the first foul is what was given, and that was the right thing to do from the refs point of view...then I'll be disappointed, because he would be wrong...same way he would be wrong if he said Beaton blowing for your foul was the right thing to do
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Excellent. We would have scored from that attack and therefore your penalty claim wouldn't have happened. Happy to clear that up for you
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VAR doesn't look at fouls on the halfway line do they...they do look at potential penalties....hence the difference

It's really not me that's trying to convince myself of anything here mate
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There wasn't a potential penalty. There was a foul given. Rangers opted to ignore it and play on
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.....which is what the referee should have done until the attack was actually stopped, the very argument that you are making regards the halfway line foul...so I'll say again, if Collum says the decision to award the first foul is correct, them it'll be a poor show, a very poor show indeed
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but that is the rules.

Whats wrong with applying the rules?

Don’t think the game hinged on that ‘penalty’ decision anyway. There were more talking points. Rangers 4 v 1 at one point, and only getting a corner. Did clement make the right substitutions? What did they add? The penalty takers-I thought Ridvan was looking goosed well before the penalties-who agreed he should take a penalty? Raskin being lauded-he had a hand in all 3 goals that rangers conceded.

But of course-then there’s a guy called Connor I suppose.

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I keep hearing this two fouls argument.....to me they are all the same incident....Scales basically tried to stop Cerny by any means whatsoever, so when the first attempt fails he starts pulling at him

For me it's a complete cop out that argument....and if that's what Willie Collum comes out with I'll be disappointed, because of the first foul didn't stop Cerny, advantage should be played until there is none, and it was the shirt pull that finally stopped Cerny in his tracks
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So you also think that the ref should have let us attack at pace down the left when one of our players got wiped out at the halfway line? The first fould didn't stop our attack

As I said before keep going, you are only convincing yourself
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Yes, I do think the ref should have allowed that

Point being made is...if Collum says the first foul is what was given, and that was the right thing to do from the refs point of view...then I'll be disappointed, because he would be wrong...same way he would be wrong if he said Beaton blowing for your foul was the right thing to do
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Excellent. We would have scored from that attack and therefore your penalty claim wouldn't have happened. Happy to clear that up for you
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VAR doesn't look at fouls on the halfway line do they...they do look at potential penalties....hence the difference

It's really not me that's trying to convince myself of anything here mate
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There wasn't a potential penalty. There was a foul given. Rangers opted to ignore it and play on
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.....which is what the referee should have done until the attack was actually stopped, the very argument that you are making regards the halfway line foul...so I'll say again, if Collum says the decision to award the first foul is correct, them it'll be a poor show, a very poor show indeed
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but that is the rules.

Whats wrong with applying the rules?
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so not playing advantage is the rules is it?

On the subject of refs.....Was watching the city/Utd derby highlights

First half penalty incident

Mike Dean I think it was doing his ref watch/commentary bit

His very words...."That's not enough for a penalty for me, not in a game like this"

Annoys the fck out of me that $hite

It's either a pen or it isn't
How big or small the game is should not matter a fcking jot

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I keep hearing this two fouls argument.....to me they are all the same incident....Scales basically tried to stop Cerny by any means whatsoever, so when the first attempt fails he starts pulling at him

For me it's a complete cop out that argument....and if that's what Willie Collum comes out with I'll be disappointed, because of the first foul didn't stop Cerny, advantage should be played until there is none, and it was the shirt pull that finally stopped Cerny in his tracks
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So you also think that the ref should have let us attack at pace down the left when one of our players got wiped out at the halfway line? The first fould didn't stop our attack

As I said before keep going, you are only convincing yourself
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Yes, I do think the ref should have allowed that

Point being made is...if Collum says the first foul is what was given, and that was the right thing to do from the refs point of view...then I'll be disappointed, because he would be wrong...same way he would be wrong if he said Beaton blowing for your foul was the right thing to do
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Excellent. We would have scored from that attack and therefore your penalty claim wouldn't have happened. Happy to clear that up for you
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VAR doesn't look at fouls on the halfway line do they...they do look at potential penalties....hence the difference

It's really not me that's trying to convince myself of anything here mate
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There wasn't a potential penalty. There was a foul given. Rangers opted to ignore it and play on
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.....which is what the referee should have done until the attack was actually stopped, the very argument that you are making regards the halfway line foul...so I'll say again, if Collum says the decision to award the first foul is correct, them it'll be a poor show, a very poor show indeed
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but that is the rules.

Whats wrong with applying the rules?
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so not playing advantage is the rules is it?
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Unfortanetly once the ref gives the foul the game is stopped. Blame beaton for not playing advantage.

I blame scales for doddling on the ball once again.

I thought rangers tactics were spot on. Sit deep and hit us on the break. They sprung the trap on us a few times.

Really that game was exciting becuase of how bad the defending was from both teams.

5 of the 6 goals were easily preventable.

We need some new fullbacks in January.

Sorry but greg taylor aint upto it and the drop off from johnston to ralston is astronomical.

Even basic things like putting a cross in ralston made a meal off. I think one of his crosses actually hit row z, which is some doing when there is a running track in the way.

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I keep hearing this two fouls argument.....to me they are all the same incident....Scales basically tried to stop Cerny by any means whatsoever, so when the first attempt fails he starts pulling at him

For me it's a complete cop out that argument....and if that's what Willie Collum comes out with I'll be disappointed, because of the first foul didn't stop Cerny, advantage should be played until there is none, and it was the shirt pull that finally stopped Cerny in his tracks
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So you also think that the ref should have let us attack at pace down the left when one of our players got wiped out at the halfway line? The first fould didn't stop our attack

As I said before keep going, you are only convincing yourself
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Yes, I do think the ref should have allowed that

Point being made is...if Collum says the first foul is what was given, and that was the right thing to do from the refs point of view...then I'll be disappointed, because he would be wrong...same way he would be wrong if he said Beaton blowing for your foul was the right thing to do
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Excellent. We would have scored from that attack and therefore your penalty claim wouldn't have happened. Happy to clear that up for you
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VAR doesn't look at fouls on the halfway line do they...they do look at potential penalties....hence the difference

It's really not me that's trying to convince myself of anything here mate
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There wasn't a potential penalty. There was a foul given. Rangers opted to ignore it and play on
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.....which is what the referee should have done until the attack was actually stopped, the very argument that you are making regards the halfway line foul...so I'll say again, if Collum says the decision to award the first foul is correct, them it'll be a poor show, a very poor show indeed
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but that is the rules.

Whats wrong with applying the rules?
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so not playing advantage is the rules is it?
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Unfortanetly once the ref gives the foul the game is stopped. Blame beaton for not playing advantage.

I blame scales for doddling on the ball once again.
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That's exactly what I am doing.....so as said...again...if Collum says Beaton was right to do what he did, I'll be disappointed

If tav hadn’t made a mess of the free kick, youz would all be lauding Beaton for giving the free kick immediately.