posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
...let alone 'considerably' less?
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
Was going to say this. Greenwood went through twice what he Rashford has, at a younger age and was literally abandoned by both fans and management. It was so bad, even supporters wanting to back hi got serious slack for it. Most half hoped he would crumble to the pressure he was given.
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Why don't you listen again to the recording of Greenwood threatening to physically harm his girlfriend if she doesn't give him sะตั
. Imagine having that in your head and trying to wholeheartedly support him as you watch him represent your team. If you don't feel conflicted about that, you're a very different person to me (which I guess I already knew). But what abject projection in your final sentence. Not wanting Greenwood to play for the club again wasn't about wanting him to be crushed as a person. The whole episode was desperately sad: the abuse of the victim, the fact that a talented young man could sink so low, the fact that much of the football discourse viewed the issue (as you do) in terms of the implications for the club's sporting asset, and how victims of domestic and sะตั
ual abuse felt as the whole thing unfolded.
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You doth protest too much. This case has been duly adjudicated by the social media courts. Your offense have been placated. He is still a United player, every action taken by the club was never for his good but us. Its fine and accepted by the majority.
Hes a United player. Just like Rashford. We accept his flaws and actually feel sympathy for him in his emotional struggle making him for not "playing well". Truth is he has been shielded from any real criticism by us. Every single foolish Twitter idiot saying he should step up is being compared to other players at half his wages with "stats". He is a United player, and I actually still prefer he is brought back into form by Amorim than to be sold, but lets not feel bad for him. Everything he is facing, LIKE GREENWOOD, is of his own doing. and hes had it a lot better regardless of how he got there.
If I am weird for feeling a bit worse for dismissing a 19 year old United player? then I am disgusting.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
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Thanks pal. I’ll be fine.
I like Christmas personally but it’s a tough time for many which doesn’t get spoken about enough.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
Process.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
"[Kane] keeps himself to hemself if utterly professional and has made the very best of his natural talent, which is considerably less than Rashfords."
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In what way is Rashford more 'naturally talented' than Kane?
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Are you facking kidding me? Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now? You guys do not understand the talent being wasted by Rashford? There was a moment at his peak he was being compared to Mbappe (billioniare rated player).
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
"[Kane] keeps himself to hemself if utterly professional and has made the very best of his natural talent, which is considerably less than Rashfords."
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In what way is Rashford more 'naturally talented' than Kane?
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Are you facking kidding me? Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now? You guys do not understand the talent being wasted by Rashford? There was a moment at his peak he was being compared to Mbappe (billioniare rated player).
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Rashford isn't and never has been a brilliant dribbler.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
On Rashy's wages, there's a select few clubs who could afford him, then you add his performances into the mix, the only clubs stupid enough to buy him are possibly PSG and Chelsea, unless he fancies the Middle East.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
On Rashy's wages, there's a select few clubs who could afford him, then you add his performances into the mix, the only clubs stupid enough to buy him are possibly PSG and Chelsea, unless he fancies the Middle East.
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Maybe they were in the the past but I don't see why PSG would be interested now. They have Barcola at LW who is younger and better than Rashford backed up by a 19 year old prospect in Desire Doue.
Can't see Chelsea having any interest either.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA... (U2462)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
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Rashford just isnt cut out for the elite level game then.
Coping with the expectation and pressure that such a position brings is a key part of a players skillset, one he may lack.
You want to excuse a player for not giving enough effort in training, so much so the manager doesnt even included him in a squad of 20, that's fine.
Higher position brings higher accountability. How would you feel if the manager said, yeah it's been a tough week and it's a tough job and to be honest i couldnt really be arrrsed this week and the team were under prepared and we lost.
Yes! we all feel like that sometimes in our job/lives but at that elite level, you are at that level because you are the best. Having that mentality and ability to cope is what makes you elite.
Sometimes it may become too much. Remember R9 in the WC final. It crushed him that day. Rashford has been pretty damn meh for ages now. He is far more off than he is on. If he played in Keane's era, he'd be made very aware of his under performing and rightly so.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
I think a lot depends on what Rashford wants. Does he believe he can consistently get back to his best form? Is he determined to stay at United (for sporting or financial or personal reasons)? Does he want to leave to get his career back on track, and is he keen enough to accept a substantial pay cut?
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA... (U2462)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
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Rashford just isnt cut out for the elite level game then.
Coping with the expectation and pressure that such a position brings is a key part of a players skillset, one he may lack.
You want to excuse a player for not giving enough effort in training, so much so the manager doesnt even included him in a squad of 20, that's fine.
Higher position brings higher accountability. How would you feel if the manager said, yeah it's been a tough week and it's a tough job and to be honest i couldnt really be arrrsed this week and the team were under prepared and we lost.
Yes! we all feel like that sometimes in our job/lives but at that elite level, you are at that level because you are the best. Having that mentality and ability to cope is what makes you elite.
Sometimes it may become too much. Remember R9 in the WC final. It crushed him that day. Rashford has been pretty damn meh for ages now. He is far more off than he is on. If he played in Keane's era, he'd be made very aware of his under performing and rightly so.
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Perhaps he isn't cut out for the very top or it could be there's something that's really dragging him down now too. He could also be a waster too for all that we know but I'm always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
Perhaps I'm more forgiving of players now because I'm old enough to be their Dad and I realise it's not always easy for people.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Devonshire
Not true, Rashford wasn’t anywhere near as highly rated as other kids from our youth set up around the time such as Wilson and Morrison. He got lucky with injuries to Martial and Keane on the day of a EL game and LVG thrusted him into the first team (same as he did with loads of youth such as McNair, Blackett and Borthwick-Jackson). Luckily he took his chance and had some very impressive performances that season.
He’s had sporadic spells of good form but hasn’t really improved in the same way Kane has. Don’t think there’s much to suggest he had the ability to be as good as someone like Mbappe.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 20 minutes ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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For facks sake. At 17, Kane was not even playing on his u21 team for crying out loud. He was faffing around for years in the lower divisions. If only Rashford underwent the same process, maybe he would have come out a better player. But his talent was pure. I cannot understand it being put like we all expected Kane to be this great player.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Kane going out on loan spells doesn’t mean he wasn’t talented, Rashford was given an opportunity because he had a manager famed for giving youth a chance. Like I just said, Rashford wasn’t even the most rated in the United youth set up at the time.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Devonshire
Not true, Rashford wasn’t anywhere near as highly rated as other kids from our youth set up around the time such as Wilson and Morrison. He got lucky with injuries to Martial and Keane on the day of a EL game and LVG thrusted him into the first team (same as he did with loads of youth such as McNair, Blackett and Borthwick-Jackson). Luckily he took his chance and had some very impressive performances that season.
He’s had sporadic spells of good form but hasn’t really improved in the same way Kane has. Don’t think there’s much to suggest he had the ability to be as good as someone like Mbappe.
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Kane was hardy rated at all. When he started he was viewed as more of a 10, Teddy Sherringham comparisons. He wasnt known a s a deadly finisher. He had some baron loans at Norwich and Millwall. No one would have said back then he'd be England's and Spurs' record scorer, Eng Captain, record Bundesliga scorer. What he has achieved has been through hard work and dedication, developing what he had and working on the weaker parts too. It is his attitude that has projected him to the elite level, without that, if he had just settled, he would have been a pretty bog average player.
Fee like Rashford had a lot more to work with.
Anyway, not sure why that bit of my earlier comment is being so acutely dissected. I think most would agree Rashford could have made a lot more of himself as a player. All the hype wasnt based on nothing.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
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I feel like im in a weird place. Just the other day, someone said Mainoo had a poor game against Man city, while everyone else online is saying he had a brilliant game. Me I didn't think he was the worst player and maybe because I support a position, people actively work against it
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
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I feel like im in a weird place. Just the other day, someone said Mainoo had a poor game against Man city, while everyone else online is saying he had a brilliant game. Me I didn't think he was the worst player and maybe because I support a position, people actively work against it
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A lot of that happens on here. Some will garner objection because of who is saying it, rather than what is being said. TBH find myself doing that a bit with some Spurs fans, just the negative ones who have nothing positive to say.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
Kane going out on loan spells doesn’t mean he wasn’t talented, Rashford was given an opportunity because he had a manager famed for giving youth a chance. Like I just said, Rashford wasn’t even the most rated in the United youth set up at the time.
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By who? The manager you just stated was famed for giving youths a chance? Help me understand.
Will it be correct to say anyone who thought there was a player better than Rashford has been proven to be wrong?
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Devonshire
Not true, Rashford wasn’t anywhere near as highly rated as other kids from our youth set up around the time such as Wilson and Morrison. He got lucky with injuries to Martial and Keane on the day of a EL game and LVG thrusted him into the first team (same as he did with loads of youth such as McNair, Blackett and Borthwick-Jackson). Luckily he took his chance and had some very impressive performances that season.
He’s had sporadic spells of good form but hasn’t really improved in the same way Kane has. Don’t think there’s much to suggest he had the ability to be as good as someone like Mbappe.
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Kane was hardy rated at all. When he started he was viewed as more of a 10, Teddy Sherringham comparisons. He wasnt known a s a deadly finisher. He had some baron loans at Norwich and Millwall. No one would have said back then he'd be England's and Spurs' record scorer, Eng Captain, record Bundesliga scorer. What he has achieved has been through hard work and dedication, developing what he had and working on the weaker parts too. It is his attitude that has projected him to the elite level, without that, if he had just settled, he would have been a pretty bog average player.
Fee like Rashford had a lot more to work with.
Anyway, not sure why that bit of my earlier comment is being so acutely dissected. I think most would agree Rashford could have made a lot more of himself as a player. All the hype wasnt based on nothing.
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*barren not baron
posted 3 days, 12 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
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I feel like im in a weird place. Just the other day, someone said Mainoo had a poor game against Man city, while everyone else online is saying he had a brilliant game. Me I didn't think he was the worst player and maybe because I support a position, people actively work against it
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There's 1 or 2 United fans on here who try to shoot down Mainoo however he plays.
posted 3 days, 11 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
"[Kane] keeps himself to hemself if utterly professional and has made the very best of his natural talent, which is considerably less than Rashfords."
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In what way is Rashford more 'naturally talented' than Kane?
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Are you facking kidding me? Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now? You guys do not understand the talent being wasted by Rashford? There was a moment at his peak he was being compared to Mbappe (billioniare rated player).
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Of course not, developing earlier just means you're more precocious, not that you have more natural talent.
Lukaku was banging in more goals at 16 than either of the other two at 18 or 19, doesn't mean he was more naturally talented. Rashford never even hit 10 league goals until he was 21 anyway. It's like suggesting that someone whose voice breaks earlier is a more naturally talented singer.
Breaking through for an underperforming side under a manager who -as others stated- is renowned for his trust in youth, isn't an indicator of 'natural talent' either.
The club where you break through is largely a product of circumstance too. At 17, Rashford, Raúl and Maradona were playing for Man United, Real Madrid, and Argentinos Juniors, respectively.
Any guesses as to why was each one of those players at each one of those teams? Which of the three was the most naturally talented?
posted 3 days, 11 hours ago
Obviously Rashford could have done more with his talents but the point is I don’t think he was ever really had the ability to be as good as someone are claiming here (as good as Mbappe). He wasn’t raved about in the youth set up and was fortunate to get a chance when others were injured and took it. But since then he hasn’t really developed much and more often than not been pretty average. The club however wanted to make him the clubs poster boy which led to people expecting far more from him than he was ever able to give.
He’s an ok player who has had a couple of great periods in his career, other than that he’s not done much.
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posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
...let alone 'considerably' less?
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
comment by Red Russian (U4715)
posted 14 minutes ago
Was going to say this. Greenwood went through twice what he Rashford has, at a younger age and was literally abandoned by both fans and management. It was so bad, even supporters wanting to back hi got serious slack for it. Most half hoped he would crumble to the pressure he was given.
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Why don't you listen again to the recording of Greenwood threatening to physically harm his girlfriend if she doesn't give him sะตั . Imagine having that in your head and trying to wholeheartedly support him as you watch him represent your team. If you don't feel conflicted about that, you're a very different person to me (which I guess I already knew). But what abject projection in your final sentence. Not wanting Greenwood to play for the club again wasn't about wanting him to be crushed as a person. The whole episode was desperately sad: the abuse of the victim, the fact that a talented young man could sink so low, the fact that much of the football discourse viewed the issue (as you do) in terms of the implications for the club's sporting asset, and how victims of domestic and sะตั ual abuse felt as the whole thing unfolded.
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You doth protest too much. This case has been duly adjudicated by the social media courts. Your offense have been placated. He is still a United player, every action taken by the club was never for his good but us. Its fine and accepted by the majority.
Hes a United player. Just like Rashford. We accept his flaws and actually feel sympathy for him in his emotional struggle making him for not "playing well". Truth is he has been shielded from any real criticism by us. Every single foolish Twitter idiot saying he should step up is being compared to other players at half his wages with "stats". He is a United player, and I actually still prefer he is brought back into form by Amorim than to be sold, but lets not feel bad for him. Everything he is facing, LIKE GREENWOOD, is of his own doing. and hes had it a lot better regardless of how he got there.
If I am weird for feeling a bit worse for dismissing a 19 year old United player? then I am disgusting.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
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Thanks pal. I’ll be fine.
I like Christmas personally but it’s a tough time for many which doesn’t get spoken about enough.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
Process.
posted 3 days, 15 hours ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
"[Kane] keeps himself to hemself if utterly professional and has made the very best of his natural talent, which is considerably less than Rashfords."
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In what way is Rashford more 'naturally talented' than Kane?
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Are you facking kidding me? Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now? You guys do not understand the talent being wasted by Rashford? There was a moment at his peak he was being compared to Mbappe (billioniare rated player).
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 30 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
"[Kane] keeps himself to hemself if utterly professional and has made the very best of his natural talent, which is considerably less than Rashfords."
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In what way is Rashford more 'naturally talented' than Kane?
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Are you facking kidding me? Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now? You guys do not understand the talent being wasted by Rashford? There was a moment at his peak he was being compared to Mbappe (billioniare rated player).
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Rashford isn't and never has been a brilliant dribbler.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
On Rashy's wages, there's a select few clubs who could afford him, then you add his performances into the mix, the only clubs stupid enough to buy him are possibly PSG and Chelsea, unless he fancies the Middle East.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by Busby (U19985)
posted 11 minutes ago
On Rashy's wages, there's a select few clubs who could afford him, then you add his performances into the mix, the only clubs stupid enough to buy him are possibly PSG and Chelsea, unless he fancies the Middle East.
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Maybe they were in the the past but I don't see why PSG would be interested now. They have Barcola at LW who is younger and better than Rashford backed up by a 19 year old prospect in Desire Doue.
Can't see Chelsea having any interest either.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA... (U2462)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
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Rashford just isnt cut out for the elite level game then.
Coping with the expectation and pressure that such a position brings is a key part of a players skillset, one he may lack.
You want to excuse a player for not giving enough effort in training, so much so the manager doesnt even included him in a squad of 20, that's fine.
Higher position brings higher accountability. How would you feel if the manager said, yeah it's been a tough week and it's a tough job and to be honest i couldnt really be arrrsed this week and the team were under prepared and we lost.
Yes! we all feel like that sometimes in our job/lives but at that elite level, you are at that level because you are the best. Having that mentality and ability to cope is what makes you elite.
Sometimes it may become too much. Remember R9 in the WC final. It crushed him that day. Rashford has been pretty damn meh for ages now. He is far more off than he is on. If he played in Keane's era, he'd be made very aware of his under performing and rightly so.
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
I think a lot depends on what Rashford wants. Does he believe he can consistently get back to his best form? Is he determined to stay at United (for sporting or financial or personal reasons)? Does he want to leave to get his career back on track, and is he keen enough to accept a substantial pay cut?
posted 3 days, 14 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 9 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA... (U2462)
posted 53 minutes ago
comment by The Process (U20671)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 ๐ด๓ ง๓ ข๓ ท๓ ฌ๓ ณ๓ ฟ JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
I feel a bit down at present and I know that I'm probably not giving everything 100%. I'm lucky (or unlucky perhaps?) in that I'm not under that much microscopic scrutiny that everything I do is judged and commented on. Nor do the hopes of millions rest on my shoulders.
Rashford is obviously much different to the likes of me because he's far more wealthy than I am but there are similarities too. I wish sometimes I could slink away and just be left alone to recharge the batteries for a month or two but I can't because I've got bills to pay and responsibilities at home. Marcus can't slink away because he'd be judged and he'd also be tracked down most probably by those wanting a scoop.
It doesn't matter who you are it's possible to suffer from mental health issues. That's why I do have sympathy with him.
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Know how you feel Diafol. Got some bad news yesterday and have zero interest in work today.
But as you said, unlike Rashford I don’t have millions watching and scrutinising me.
Hope all ok with you, it will get better.
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Ah no. Hope you can get through it.
I know I won't be the only one feeling down at present though and people will have it much worse. From the outside people won't notice much change in me unless they really dig down. Rashford doesn't have that luxury.
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Rashford just isnt cut out for the elite level game then.
Coping with the expectation and pressure that such a position brings is a key part of a players skillset, one he may lack.
You want to excuse a player for not giving enough effort in training, so much so the manager doesnt even included him in a squad of 20, that's fine.
Higher position brings higher accountability. How would you feel if the manager said, yeah it's been a tough week and it's a tough job and to be honest i couldnt really be arrrsed this week and the team were under prepared and we lost.
Yes! we all feel like that sometimes in our job/lives but at that elite level, you are at that level because you are the best. Having that mentality and ability to cope is what makes you elite.
Sometimes it may become too much. Remember R9 in the WC final. It crushed him that day. Rashford has been pretty damn meh for ages now. He is far more off than he is on. If he played in Keane's era, he'd be made very aware of his under performing and rightly so.
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Perhaps he isn't cut out for the very top or it could be there's something that's really dragging him down now too. He could also be a waster too for all that we know but I'm always willing to give someone the benefit of the doubt.
Perhaps I'm more forgiving of players now because I'm old enough to be their Dad and I realise it's not always easy for people.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Devonshire
Not true, Rashford wasn’t anywhere near as highly rated as other kids from our youth set up around the time such as Wilson and Morrison. He got lucky with injuries to Martial and Keane on the day of a EL game and LVG thrusted him into the first team (same as he did with loads of youth such as McNair, Blackett and Borthwick-Jackson). Luckily he took his chance and had some very impressive performances that season.
He’s had sporadic spells of good form but hasn’t really improved in the same way Kane has. Don’t think there’s much to suggest he had the ability to be as good as someone like Mbappe.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 20 minutes ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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For facks sake. At 17, Kane was not even playing on his u21 team for crying out loud. He was faffing around for years in the lower divisions. If only Rashford underwent the same process, maybe he would have come out a better player. But his talent was pure. I cannot understand it being put like we all expected Kane to be this great player.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
Kane going out on loan spells doesn’t mean he wasn’t talented, Rashford was given an opportunity because he had a manager famed for giving youth a chance. Like I just said, Rashford wasn’t even the most rated in the United youth set up at the time.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Devonshire
Not true, Rashford wasn’t anywhere near as highly rated as other kids from our youth set up around the time such as Wilson and Morrison. He got lucky with injuries to Martial and Keane on the day of a EL game and LVG thrusted him into the first team (same as he did with loads of youth such as McNair, Blackett and Borthwick-Jackson). Luckily he took his chance and had some very impressive performances that season.
He’s had sporadic spells of good form but hasn’t really improved in the same way Kane has. Don’t think there’s much to suggest he had the ability to be as good as someone like Mbappe.
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Kane was hardy rated at all. When he started he was viewed as more of a 10, Teddy Sherringham comparisons. He wasnt known a s a deadly finisher. He had some baron loans at Norwich and Millwall. No one would have said back then he'd be England's and Spurs' record scorer, Eng Captain, record Bundesliga scorer. What he has achieved has been through hard work and dedication, developing what he had and working on the weaker parts too. It is his attitude that has projected him to the elite level, without that, if he had just settled, he would have been a pretty bog average player.
Fee like Rashford had a lot more to work with.
Anyway, not sure why that bit of my earlier comment is being so acutely dissected. I think most would agree Rashford could have made a lot more of himself as a player. All the hype wasnt based on nothing.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
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I feel like im in a weird place. Just the other day, someone said Mainoo had a poor game against Man city, while everyone else online is saying he had a brilliant game. Me I didn't think he was the worst player and maybe because I support a position, people actively work against it
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson... (U12026)
posted 26 seconds ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
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I feel like im in a weird place. Just the other day, someone said Mainoo had a poor game against Man city, while everyone else online is saying he had a brilliant game. Me I didn't think he was the worst player and maybe because I support a position, people actively work against it
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A lot of that happens on here. Some will garner objection because of who is saying it, rather than what is being said. TBH find myself doing that a bit with some Spurs fans, just the negative ones who have nothing positive to say.
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 5 minutes ago
Kane going out on loan spells doesn’t mean he wasn’t talented, Rashford was given an opportunity because he had a manager famed for giving youth a chance. Like I just said, Rashford wasn’t even the most rated in the United youth set up at the time.
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By who? The manager you just stated was famed for giving youths a chance? Help me understand.
Will it be correct to say anyone who thought there was a player better than Rashford has been proven to be wrong?
posted 3 days, 13 hours ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
Devonshire
Not true, Rashford wasn’t anywhere near as highly rated as other kids from our youth set up around the time such as Wilson and Morrison. He got lucky with injuries to Martial and Keane on the day of a EL game and LVG thrusted him into the first team (same as he did with loads of youth such as McNair, Blackett and Borthwick-Jackson). Luckily he took his chance and had some very impressive performances that season.
He’s had sporadic spells of good form but hasn’t really improved in the same way Kane has. Don’t think there’s much to suggest he had the ability to be as good as someone like Mbappe.
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Kane was hardy rated at all. When he started he was viewed as more of a 10, Teddy Sherringham comparisons. He wasnt known a s a deadly finisher. He had some baron loans at Norwich and Millwall. No one would have said back then he'd be England's and Spurs' record scorer, Eng Captain, record Bundesliga scorer. What he has achieved has been through hard work and dedication, developing what he had and working on the weaker parts too. It is his attitude that has projected him to the elite level, without that, if he had just settled, he would have been a pretty bog average player.
Fee like Rashford had a lot more to work with.
Anyway, not sure why that bit of my earlier comment is being so acutely dissected. I think most would agree Rashford could have made a lot more of himself as a player. All the hype wasnt based on nothing.
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*barren not baron
posted 3 days, 12 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 33 minutes ago
comment by Devonshirespur (U6316)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by manutd1982 (U6633)
posted 1 minute ago
“Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now?”
So other than being faster he isn’t more talented considering Rashford’s dribbling has never been one of his strengths and Kane is a vastly superior finisher and always has been. On top of that Kane is a far more intelligent player and has more to his game than Rashford.
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No one really touted Kane for much, even most Spurs fans when he broke into the squad. Rashford looked like he had it all when he landed.
I think the point is that Kane has worked very hard on his game to make him the player he is. If Rashford had applied the same effort then he really would be at another level. As someone above said, an MBappe skillset.
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I feel like im in a weird place. Just the other day, someone said Mainoo had a poor game against Man city, while everyone else online is saying he had a brilliant game. Me I didn't think he was the worst player and maybe because I support a position, people actively work against it
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There's 1 or 2 United fans on here who try to shoot down Mainoo however he plays.
posted 3 days, 11 hours ago
comment by Redastomatoes- Feels very Moyesian...cleverson forever!If he is good enough he is ready! (U12026)
posted 2 hours, 36 minutes ago
comment by it'sonlyagame (U6426)
posted 5 minutes ago
"[Kane] keeps himself to hemself if utterly professional and has made the very best of his natural talent, which is considerably less than Rashfords."
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In what way is Rashford more 'naturally talented' than Kane?
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Are you facking kidding me? Pure pace, great finisher, brilliant dribbler, banging in goals and given a chance to play for the biggest club in the world from 17 till now? You guys do not understand the talent being wasted by Rashford? There was a moment at his peak he was being compared to Mbappe (billioniare rated player).
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Of course not, developing earlier just means you're more precocious, not that you have more natural talent.
Lukaku was banging in more goals at 16 than either of the other two at 18 or 19, doesn't mean he was more naturally talented. Rashford never even hit 10 league goals until he was 21 anyway. It's like suggesting that someone whose voice breaks earlier is a more naturally talented singer.
Breaking through for an underperforming side under a manager who -as others stated- is renowned for his trust in youth, isn't an indicator of 'natural talent' either.
The club where you break through is largely a product of circumstance too. At 17, Rashford, Raúl and Maradona were playing for Man United, Real Madrid, and Argentinos Juniors, respectively.
Any guesses as to why was each one of those players at each one of those teams? Which of the three was the most naturally talented?
posted 3 days, 11 hours ago
Obviously Rashford could have done more with his talents but the point is I don’t think he was ever really had the ability to be as good as someone are claiming here (as good as Mbappe). He wasn’t raved about in the youth set up and was fortunate to get a chance when others were injured and took it. But since then he hasn’t really developed much and more often than not been pretty average. The club however wanted to make him the clubs poster boy which led to people expecting far more from him than he was ever able to give.
He’s an ok player who has had a couple of great periods in his career, other than that he’s not done much.
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