comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 3 minutes ago
... and it begins
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I call them the filtered degenerate crew. Not a single brain cell to share between them.

🤣
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You lot crack me up.

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - It's Amorinnnnnnnof the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 15 seconds ago
SE,

Don’t you work in finance? You understand how the global financial system operates, right? It involves EVERY country, including those you may despise for their actions, for reasons like those we’ve discussed. Money flows into every type of stock and sector around the world, from the retailers you shop with to the institutions you transact with. The club doesn’t operate in isolation, even if you think it does. That means you, and every fan involved with the club, are already engaging with money from the Middle East in your everyday lives.

So, the morality argument you’re making loses its weight when you consider that we’re all part of a global system that includes this kind of investment. If you’re truly committed to your stance, you’d have to remove yourself entirely from the system, including the internet, and then make the argument. Only then would it carry real meaning. Until then, it's difficult to ignore the contradictions inherent in rejecting one specific source of investment while still benefiting from the broader system.

Yes, make the moral argument if you want to see change in those regimes. But don’t use that argument to reject a source of finance simply because it’s from the Middle East, especially when you’re already part of the system. It’s a contradiction. You need to change your record.
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It's called oneupmanship and belittling lickle old City.
Hoping that his hypocrisy is unnoticed.
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There's 115 reasons to belittle ickle City.

The plastic prat just comes across as thick and a tad racist if we're reading his words properly.
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130, last count.
Yeah pure xenophobia.
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Ah, we have someone who enjoys making defamatory claims on a public forum. Personally, I’d ignore anything Cleverson posts, as I find it hard to take him seriously. This thread will likely descend to his level of puerile intelligence soon enough.

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It already has
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It sure has. That's the effect of Cleverson on serious discourse!

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 8 seconds ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 5 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Clever - son son son - It's Amorinnnnnnnof the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 15 seconds ago
SE,

Don’t you work in finance? You understand how the global financial system operates, right? It involves EVERY country, including those you may despise for their actions, for reasons like those we’ve discussed. Money flows into every type of stock and sector around the world, from the retailers you shop with to the institutions you transact with. The club doesn’t operate in isolation, even if you think it does. That means you, and every fan involved with the club, are already engaging with money from the Middle East in your everyday lives.

So, the morality argument you’re making loses its weight when you consider that we’re all part of a global system that includes this kind of investment. If you’re truly committed to your stance, you’d have to remove yourself entirely from the system, including the internet, and then make the argument. Only then would it carry real meaning. Until then, it's difficult to ignore the contradictions inherent in rejecting one specific source of investment while still benefiting from the broader system.

Yes, make the moral argument if you want to see change in those regimes. But don’t use that argument to reject a source of finance simply because it’s from the Middle East, especially when you’re already part of the system. It’s a contradiction. You need to change your record.
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It's called oneupmanship and belittling lickle old City.
Hoping that his hypocrisy is unnoticed.
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There's 115 reasons to belittle ickle City.

The plastic prat just comes across as thick and a tad racist if we're reading his words properly.
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130, last count.
Yeah pure xenophobia.
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Ah, we have someone who enjoys making defamatory claims on a public forum. Personally, I’d ignore anything Cleverson posts, as I find it hard to take him seriously. This thread will likely descend to his level of puerile intelligence soon enough.

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It already has
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It sure has. That's the effect of Cleverson on serious discourse!
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Filtered

That's all he can see with every post but he will be logging in and out to cry to admin

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 31 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Baz tard - ineos your face (U19119)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
FAO Admin: Cleverson posted the below. PLEASE TAKE ACTION.


You just focus on not getting banned again plumpy for abusing people's children from behind your keyboard.

And why are you conversing with me or about from behind your filter you gimp?

Vengeance, Weekendnoncer and Rapelay. What a trio
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Stop bothering admin you plonker
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It’s a thrill a minute checking in on this site when fecked off with visiting relatives
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Idiots condoning idiocy. The common denominator.
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I’m not condoning anything just tuning it while watching the darts
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I wasn’t having a dig at you, Frankie. You kindly shared what Baz said. My comment was aimed at his illuminating contribution.

comment by Clever - son son son - It's Amorinnnnnnn of the year Runner Up 2021 (U18599)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 1 minute ago
... and it begins
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Technically this is your fault. Yours and Walter Mittys
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How is this my fault? I was only bringing accountability to SE85.

As I thought, a thread with serious discourse and some great points from opposing sides has gone downhill since the introduction of stupidson.

He is going to run and write an article about me after this 🤣

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also, the Qatari that was stated to want to buy United was usurped by Ineos. Would we really want those guys in charge when we don't know anything about them. It'd be typical if we had the only Arab owners not to have unlimited wealth!
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Wasn’t that more about the Glazers wanting to keep control?
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Perhaps, but if the Qataris were really serious I reckon they'd have got it done.
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It has been well reported the Glazers never wanted to sell the whole thing. They took the pis* with the Qataris.

You all wanted Jim you got Jim. Deal with it and move on.
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I certainly dont remember everybody wanting Jim
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Most were opposed to Middle Eastern investment on JA and were open to anything, not necessarily just Jim, the reality was Jim was the only alternative!
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There is only about 10 of us on JA. ... United fans on the whole in SM wanted the Qatar bid
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There are more than 10, but I don’t recall overwhelming support for the Qatari bid. People wanted outright ownership, for sure, but many were making the moral argument against Qatari ownership.
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cmon... some did OK. ffs.

Many didnt. They saw the Qatari bid is the preferred perfect answer.

Much inner City development on a High Street near you in the UK is Qatar backed. I dont see anybody moaning about that.

No matter what what our board is the best by a mile, it’s never dull.

comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 minute ago
As I thought, a thread with serious discourse and some great points from opposing sides has gone downhill since the introduction of stupidson.

He is going to run and write an article about me after this 🤣
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Could someone please repost this so the thick rapey cant understands that when they filter someone they should avoid trying to talk about them.

Especially when they have huge rape tendencies like Rapelay. The nonce.

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 2 hours, 52 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by Diafol Coch 77 🏴󠁧󠁢󠁷󠁬󠁳󠁿 JA606 Class Act (U2462)
posted 3 minutes ago
Also, the Qatari that was stated to want to buy United was usurped by Ineos. Would we really want those guys in charge when we don't know anything about them. It'd be typical if we had the only Arab owners not to have unlimited wealth!
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Wasn’t that more about the Glazers wanting to keep control?
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Perhaps, but if the Qataris were really serious I reckon they'd have got it done.
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It has been well reported the Glazers never wanted to sell the whole thing. They took the pis* with the Qataris.

You all wanted Jim you got Jim. Deal with it and move on.
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I certainly dont remember everybody wanting Jim
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Most were opposed to Middle Eastern investment on JA and were open to anything, not necessarily just Jim, the reality was Jim was the only alternative!
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There is only about 10 of us on JA. ... United fans on the whole in SM wanted the Qatar bid
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There are more than 10, but I don’t recall overwhelming support for the Qatari bid. People wanted outright ownership, for sure, but many were making the moral argument against Qatari ownership.
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cmon... some did OK. ffs.

Many didnt. They saw the Qatari bid is the preferred perfect answer.

Much inner City development on a High Street near you in the UK is Qatar backed. I dont see anybody moaning about that.
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Your final paragraph encapsulates everything I've said throughout this thread, RB&W so not sure why are directing that point towards me!

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
SE,

Don’t you work in finance?
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Given his track record here: I would have a leap of faith and say, no he doesn't.

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
No matter what what our board is the best by a mile, it’s never dull.
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Defamatory claims by a puerile idiot is not a form of entertainment though and by repeating his claims you are condoning such claim. Breach of the law is not a laughing matter.

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 6 seconds ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
No matter what what our board is the best by a mile, it’s never dull.
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Defamatory claims by a puerile idiot is not a form of entertainment though and by repeating his claims you are condoning such claim. Breach of the law is not a laughing matter.
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All he will see is 'filtered'

SE85 has disappeared within this melée.

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
No matter what what our board is the best by a mile, it’s never dull.
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Defamatory claims by a puerile idiot is not a form of entertainment though and by repeating his claims you are condoning such claim. Breach of the law is not a laughing matter.
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Quite a lot of stuff not centred on your self indulgent world goes on as well Vengeance, it wasn’t a comment just based on tonight’s small sample

comment by mancWoohoo- maximus mardius cob-onius (U10676)
posted 5 minutes ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 hour, 8 minutes ago
SE,

Don’t you work in finance?
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Given his track record here: I would have a leap of faith and say, no he doesn't.
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He hasn’t confirmed or denied it. Let’s not jump to conclusions based on his silence, he probably just doesn’t want to boast! SE85 is a modest chap.

Its pointelss talking about tha Qatar bid anyway. We aren't even sure if was real.

We got Jim.... and its going badly. Thats the discussion point of this thread. Harping on about hes better than Qatar or whatever, doesnt change or help fack all about the reality of our situation atm.

I would be worried by the fact that MUFC (who ever they are) are declaring publicly that they are embroiled ina a dire financial situation atm, despite being minority owned by the richest man in the UK who owns a multi-£billion chemical business and has just recently passed all his personal ownership and liabilities into that business.

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
No matter what what our board is the best by a mile, it’s never dull.
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Defamatory claims by a puerile idiot is not a form of entertainment though and by repeating his claims you are condoning such claim. Breach of the law is not a laughing matter.
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Quite a lot of stuff not centred on your self indulgent world goes on as well Vengeance, it wasn’t a comment just based on tonight’s small sample
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Like the nonsense you constantly post with all your stooges? Truly enlightening entertainment.

🙄

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 18 seconds ago
Its pointelss talking about tha Qatar bid anyway. We aren't even sure if was real.

We got Jim.... and its going badly. Thats the discussion point of this thread. Harping on about hes better than Qatar or whatever, doesnt change or help fack all about the reality of our situation atm.

I would be worried by the fact that MUFC (who ever they are) are declaring publicly that they are embroiled ina a dire financial situation atm, despite being minority owned by the richest man in the UK who owns a multi-£billion chemical business and has just recently passed all his personal ownership and liabilities into that business.
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City had the golden period of rich owners ploughing money in through multiple routes, the door is closed now for the rest of us unless you have a hotel

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 48 seconds ago
Its pointelss talking about tha Qatar bid anyway. We aren't even sure if was real.

We got Jim.... and its going badly. Thats the discussion point of this thread. Harping on about hes better than Qatar or whatever, doesnt change or help fack all about the reality of our situation atm.

I would be worried by the fact that MUFC (who ever they are) are declaring publicly that they are embroiled ina a dire financial situation atm, despite being minority owned by the richest man in the UK who owns a multi-£billion chemical business and has just recently passed all his personal ownership and liabilities into that business.
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You do have a point. And this is why I said, the majority wanted Jimmy, they got him. It is time to move on and accept it.

comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by Vengeance (U23079)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 1 minute ago
No matter what what our board is the best by a mile, it’s never dull.
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Defamatory claims by a puerile idiot is not a form of entertainment though and by repeating his claims you are condoning such claim. Breach of the law is not a laughing matter.
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Quite a lot of stuff not centred on your self indulgent world goes on as well Vengeance, it wasn’t a comment just based on tonight’s small sample
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Like the nonsense you constantly post with all your stooges? Truly enlightening entertainment.

🙄
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Well you have your regular repeated tirade nothing ever new or informative although I did appreciate something you posted the other day about our players not having the stomach to really scrap if we got for real in a relegation battle.
Some of us are are actually pretty smart guys and just take the whole feck up our club is a bit more lightly and enjoy a banter about it, we all cope our own ways Vengeance

comment by Franko Cantona (U22187)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (U21434)
posted 18 seconds ago
Its pointelss talking about tha Qatar bid anyway. We aren't even sure if was real.

We got Jim.... and its going badly. Thats the discussion point of this thread. Harping on about hes better than Qatar or whatever, doesnt change or help fack all about the reality of our situation atm.

I would be worried by the fact that MUFC (who ever they are) are declaring publicly that they are embroiled ina a dire financial situation atm, despite being minority owned by the richest man in the UK who owns a multi-£billion chemical business and has just recently passed all his personal ownership and liabilities into that business.
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City had the golden period of rich owners ploughing money in through multiple routes, the door is closed now for the rest of us unless you have a hotel
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Which is ironic when the likes of Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal, and Tottenham raised the drawbridge, whilst not having the foresight of Chelsea and Manchester City (e.g. hotels and academy respectively).

I did appreciate something you posted the other day about our players not having the stomach to really scrap if we got for real in a relegation battle.
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Im the one on here who stated that. And its true.

I think the INEOS can do no wrong and ETH is unsackable cos he won stuff at Ajax brigade are beginning to realise that the further we plummet down the PL table.

comment by RB&W - Our representative on the pitch (
posted 1 minute ago
Its pointelss talking about tha Qatar bid anyway. We aren't even sure if was real.

We got Jim.... and its going badly. Thats the discussion point of this thread. Harping on about hes better than Qatar or whatever, doesnt change or help fack all about the reality of our situation atm.

I would be worried by the fact that MUFC (who ever they are) are declaring publicly that they are embroiled ina a dire financial situation atm, despite being minority owned by the richest man in the UK who owns a multi-£billion chemical business and has just recently passed all his personal ownership and liabilities into that business.
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That’s an entirely different angle if we’re suggesting the Qatari bid wasn’t a serious one.

Given that Jim was the alternative, he clearly ticked all the right boxes for the Glazers. His proposal favoured their self-interest far more than it benefited the club or its fans. This suggests that Jim conceded so much to win them over that he’s effectively Glazer 2.0, and with the sweeping cuts now taking place, it all starts to make sense.

There doesn’t appear to be a genuine financial crisis, instead, PSR is being used as a convenient excuse to streamline Utd. Meanwhile, the club still maintains a bloated presence at the Sporting executive level. The cynics might argue that while Utd’s turnover remains healthy, costs are eating into profits, and Jim is simply clearing the cost base to ensure the Glazers continue to benefit. It could even be part of a larger strategy for Jim to secure overall ownership in the future.

Jim himself has admitted that the decisions he’s making will be unpopular but necessary, and he’s acknowledged that he won’t get everything right. That transparency, while refreshing, does little to inspire confidence among fans who are increasingly sceptical of his true motives, his competence of running a club even!