Really?

You actually mean this rubbish?

I don't mind people from other clubs, even sheep having an opinion. The problem is it's always twisted. Billy is to blame for very few of our problems. ND MA McClaren, Cotterill and maybe even the fans have all made huge mistakes or not done their jobs right and it's cost us.

Yes Billys probably not the nicest bloke in the world. And he doesn't know when to shut up. But as much as you'd love it to be the case, he isn't to blame for all our problems. He wasn't to blame for your problems either, you lot go on about the money he spent. Promotion was worth around £60m when you went up. He didn't spend that much.

I wouldn't have Billy back, I'm not blind to his faults. But there are some people that not like him and are just unfair. You go around making rubbish up and then make out everyone who doesn't believe it's bonkers.

You are joking right?

How is any of this Billy's fault? In fact if anything it shows you how good a manager Billy is, if he can take our group of players who havn't really changed significantly since he has left, and can take them from a relegation team which they were and are again, and take that team the closest it has been to promotion to the premier League since they were relegated 15 years ago!

Yes he moaned and he groaned but we all know why and we all know we would have been promoted if Billy had got what he had wanted. ND was the one who cost us promotion and that is where the blame lies. By getting rid of Billy we are more or less doomed to relegation as there is no way we would be in this position if he was still manager!

Id have him back as manager within a second, as he was the best thing for Forest in 15 years and the 2009/10 and 2010/11 season made me proud to be a forest fan again, which I feel has been lost now! Inm fact since he has gone this is for me the worst season of watching forest where things seem to go from bad to worse.

Billy was the best thing to happen in an otherwise disastrous ND reign, and by getting rid of him we are going back to L1.

Only hope is if we get rid of SC and bring Billy Back!

As I know if he was back for the Derby game, then I know all you little sheep would be shaking in your boots!

Good old Claude Davis. And who signed him? That's right Billy Davis. He's always had an eye for a player has our Billy.

And if Billy had been a bit more positive in the Play-Off semi final against Swansea at the CG Forest might now be in the Premier League. But of course some Forest fans want to forget about that.

SBD, you should always be proud to support your team not matter how bad they are performing on the pitch. I'm sure Forest could do without fair weather supporters like yourself.

I think Derby Fans are scorned really! I mean he never asked to come back to you lot did he?

And yes you might argue from the ESPN showing it was a PR stunt, but there is no denying that he wants to come back after appearing on LKO ( which only involve the local teams).

Shame everyone wants to come back to Forest but no one ever goes back to Derby, tells you something dosn;t it

I support Forest through whatever situation, but I'm saying the proudest time for me to be a Forest Fan was during those 2 seasons and this season since Billy has left ill admit has been the lowest point to support them; even though I still will regardless!

Otherwise what is the point of me wasting money going down to the ground every week

Good old Claude Davis. And who signed him? That's right Billy Davis. He's always had an eye for a player has our Billy.

And if Billy had been a bit more positive in the Play-Off semi final against Swansea at the CG Forest might now be in the Premier League. But of course some Forest fans want to forget about that.

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That fair enough. No ones perfect. Billy made mistakes like everyone else. If he'd just done a few things differently we could be in the prem. But equally if he'd done things differently when he first came in we would be in league 1. Derby fans want to forget about that.

It's a long way from, he made mistakes. to all our troubles are his fault. That's a frankly stupid thing to say.

Shame everyone wants to come back to Forest but no one ever goes back to Derby, tells you something dosn;t it.
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That's because Forest are desperate, Derby are not. 'Non League' Nigel is doing just fine for Derby and we don't need anyone else. Forest on the other hand...........

On the face of it if you look at the previous season before Billy Davies joined Derby then we were in a relegation dog fight. The first season with Billy Davies we finish 3rd and are promoted.

Then look at Forest in relegation fight before Davies was manager, with him finish 3rd and 6th. He leaves and Forest are in a relegation position.

Looks to be blindingly obvious that both Forest, Derby and before them Preston all benefited from Davies's management.

However the success for all the three clubs came at a cost which was unsustainable and there is a question mark over his temperament. Like thousands of Derby fans I was shocked by the after match interview at Wembley where all he discussed was his contract. His going on holiday when it seemed obvious to all that unless some shrewd and immediate transfer dealing took place we would be struggling in the Premiership. His signing of the likes of Miller, Earnshaw, Clod and Eddie Lewis hardly gave us cause for optimism.

At Forest he refused to move South, spent more than the club could afford and still couldn't produce a team capable of reaching the Premiership. It will be always be something for Doughty and Forest fans to ponder over that if a little more had spent in his first season there, could they have achieved automatic promotion. I tend to think no if one looks at the mid season transfers he carried out at Derby.

Davies is not alone in the successful manager leaving a trail of desolation. Look at the fate of 'Arry's previous clubs before going to Spurs. Bournemouth and Portsmouth are both in danger of going out of business yet 'Arry was being touted as a future England manager.

Can't believe Derby fans have so much hate for Billy and their previous owners and Paul Jewell seem to escape with little or no criticism.

Oh believe me Albert I dislike Paul Jewel as much as I do Billy Davies. Its just that this article concerns Billy Davies.

Again with this idea that Billys spending has cost us dear. We appointed a former England manager when he left who had a bigger budget than Billy.

We were prepared to spend more after Billy had gone. The money he spent was easily sustainable if ND hadn't done one. Billy probably added less then £10m to an £80m+ debt.

Half of the stuff people want to believe is just not true.

I think the difference between Paul Jewell and Billy Davies is that Jewell was an honest guy who didn't know how to manage. Davies was a devious guy who knew how to manage but not as well as he thought he could.

Fair comment Richmond,but I find that Derby fans on most forums seem to blame Billy for all their woe's over the past few seasons.

Sutton, history has proved that Billy cannot be trusted with money. Swansea spent a lot less than Forest and yet they went up. Not only that but they are likely to stay up. I honestly don't know where Billy's next job is coming from. He now has too much bagage to be trusted. I'm sure his back room staff are delighted with that prospect.

Fair comment Richmond,but I find that Derby fans on most forums seem to blame Billy for all their woe's over the past few seasons.
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Albert, most educated derby fans see it as being far more complex. Billy Davies disrupted the squad halfway through our promotion season but the board allowed him to do that. The same board also allowed him to call all the shots and spend stupid money on the likes of Claude Davis.

However, the current board threw stupid money at Paul Jewel and yet are getting cold feet at the prospect of Derby making the Play-Offs this season. Thank god we've got Nigel.

Sutton, history has proved that Billy cannot be trusted with money. Swansea spent a lot less than Forest and yet they went up.

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Billy spent around £6m in his first summer with us. Turned us from almost certainties for relegation to side that got a points total that would have seen us go up almost every other season. It was only the fact the WBA and Newcastle were that good and had much much bigger budgets that stopped us. Yes £6m is very good money. But if you look at what some sides are spending it's not huge.

Like I say I'm not saying he was perfect or he's an amazing manager. But he did do a good job for us. He was a little unlucky, most years we would have gone up and he isn't to blame for our current troubles.

You could use the same arguement for Cloughie, since he left our teams Derby won one league title (with a predominantly Cloughie team) Forest nothing.
Billy (although not in Cloughie's class) got players playing above themselves. He got a very average Preston team to the playoffs, he got a very average Derby team promoted and he got (what is obvious now) a very average Forest team to two playoffs.
To fans of Derby and Preston would you rather be where you are now or where you were when Billy left (or was sacked). If we go down this season it will mean that all three of us are in a lower league than when he left us.

Fair do's Sutton but in that season Blackpool also went up who had certainly not spent £6m! In my view Billy has yet to justify the hype. One or two Championship clubs have changed their managers this season and yet none have been linked with Billy. Surely that tells you something?

To fans of Derby and Preston would you rather be where you are now or where you were when Billy left (or was sacked). If we go down this season it will mean that all three of us are in a lower league than when he left us.
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Billy Davies left Derby in a mess. Thanks to Niegl we're no longer in a mess. We won't go up this season but we're certainly heading in the right direction.

Richmond,I often see the name Claude Davis being thrown up as a stick to beat Billy with but every manager including Brian has made poor choices.
On the other hand I have seen Brian and Billy get more out of mediocre players than I thought was possible.

I think Davies is such battled goods to Derby fans due to how he conducted himself at playoffs and after he left, that they will never see him as anything more than the poison dwarf.

We know in our hearts that Jewell's failure was far bigger than Davies' and that Davies can clearly get bad players to do good things, but his personality is so disreputable that I think most cannot forgive for them, despite his certain abilities as manager.

What Derby players did Billy get playing above their ability?

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He's a Championship expert, Strettea.

Will he be as good in League 1?