However i also said that I can understand Suarez in that when it actually came to do it, he couldn't go through with it.
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We've moved on from that. Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
TOOR: "unfortunately this doesn't happen in football. It's all about PR nowadays and rarely people show their true feelings"
Rarely people show their true emotions? Ah, I see. So I take it you're not fooled by the apologies and comments that have come out of Liverpool since the weekend then. Suarez isn't really sorry, nor does he really care about letting Dalglish or the club down. And perhaps even Dalglish isn't really sorry for the way he acted when interviewed after the game by Geoff Shreeves.
It's an interesting view you have TOOR. Even more interesting that you feel a forced apology, one that isn't even genuine, should result in the whole matter being put to bed. Perhaps I should take your view on board and also think that Suarez' apology was basically a load of crap, thus denying him even the possibility that he has showed any genuine act of contrition in all of this sorry episode.
it's not. had Suarez made a complaint about it, and evra admitted to saying it, or it could be proved some other way, then I'm sure he would also have been banned.
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I read the quote in the report, so obviously Evra did admit to it
comment by oldnewtonheath (U10418)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by oldnewtonheath (U10418)
posted 1 second ago
were not in Uraguay are we!!!!!!!!!!!
& you cant walk round saying "eh black" or "why black", WE ALL KNOW THIS DONT WE.
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We can't but it still isn't racial abuse to ask, "why, black?" as there is no derogative used in reference to race.
Please grow up. Its wrong you know it but you keep defending it, WHY?
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Grow up? In what way are my comments childish? This is fact. You cannot abuse somebody without being derogatory. You cannot racially abuse somebody without be derogatory in regards to their race. These are factual statements and to suggest somebody is childish just because he/she doesn't agree with you is quite frankly ridiculous.
Was Saurez right or wrong, in your eyes what is it to be?
Never mind a long winded essay, just a simple right or wrong PLEASE our kid.
comment by VictorGooner™ (U2027)
posted 2 minutes ago
How is "don't touch me south american" any better by the way?
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it's not. had Suarez made a complaint about it, and evra admitted to saying it, or it could be proved some other way, then I'm sure he would also have been banned.
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Evra admitted to abusing Suarez. He wasn't banned. Suarez doesn;t need to make a complaint if the FA are aware of the situation, which they obviously were as they sad and listened to Evra admitting abusing Suarez.
Quite frankly you show a complete ignorance on this whole subject, so to come here on your high horse or absolutely ridiculous. Climb down, go read about the situation, read the report, then come back.
He asked "why, black?" which isn't derogatory meaning it isn't even abuse nevermind racist abuse
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the fact that you keep coming out with this, despite it being explained several times why it IS derogatory in itself, without the needs for qualifying words, is really quite worrying.
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
However i also said that I can understand Suarez in that when it actually came to do it, he couldn't go through with it.
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We've moved on from that. Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Elvis said it is against FA rules to mention race at all, if so fair enough, Suarez was against this rule. However why wasn't he punished for this but instead abuse and racist abuse? I'll tell you, because it is not about what Suarez admitted to, it is about what Evra said that Suarez said.
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I dont think that he was charged with racist abuse was he? It doesnt sound like he was to me - just for mentioning skin colour as part of the abuse. Which he has admittted:
The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
Rarely people show their true emotions? Ah, I see. So I take it you're not fooled by the apologies and comments that have come out of Liverpool since the weekend then. Suarez isn't really sorry, nor does he really care about letting Dalglish or the club down. And perhaps even Dalglish isn't really sorry for the way he acted when interviewed after the game by Geoff Shreeves.
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I don't think Suarez is sorry for not shaking Evra's hand. He might be sorry for making Kenny look a fool.
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
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Mr Evra used insulting words towards Mr Suarez during the match, that's breaking these rules and it's all in the report.
So why has nothing been done?
I see you are still avoiding the CAS point then TOOR?
Your view of his appeal being illegal is incorrect. All he needs to do is appeal at the levels below CAS (FA and UEFA) in order to get a hearing.
Now if you were innocent, dont you think that would be a good idea to clear your name?
omment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Elvis said it is against FA rules to mention race at all, if so fair enough, Suarez was against this rule. However why wasn't he punished for this but instead abuse and racist abuse? I'll tell you, because it is not about what Suarez admitted to, it is about what Evra said that Suarez said.
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I dont think that he was charged with racist abuse was he?
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Yes. From your own post:-
"insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour"
So he was charged for making insulting words in reference to Evra's colour. In other words racial abuse.
comment by Fred Bassett and Anfield Cat vs The World (U3979)
posted 32 seconds ago
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
____________________________
Mr Evra used insulting words towards Mr Suarez during the match, that's breaking these rules and it's all in the report.
So why has nothing been done?
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I dont think it was the insulting words that the Fa were worried about. I might be wrong here, but I think that they had to charge him with the insulting words bit so that they could also do him for mentioning the skin colour.
"Was Saurez right or wrong, in your eyes what is it to be?"
I don't know either way. Neither did the panel, as there was no evidence. Which is why the case should have been thrown out or both players receive four-game bans for abuse.
it's not. had Suarez made a complaint about it, and evra admitted to saying it, or it could be proved some other way, then I'm sure he would also have been banned.
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Evra admitted to abusing Suarez. He wasn't banned. Suarez doesn;t need to make a complaint if the FA are aware of the situation, which they obviously were as they sad and listened to Evra admitting abusing Suarez.
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Well, in my opinion, that is wrong - evidently there must be some reason why he wasn't pulled up for it - which can only realistically be that Suarez didn't put in a complaint about it.
Afterall the laws on harrasment are very vague. for instance the definition of sexual harrassment isn't "such n such act" or "so n so words" it is simply if the complainer feels harrassed. An act that to one person would be harrassment to another would be a simple friendly gesture.
Evra felt harrassed. he made a complaint. that complaint was upheld. deal with it.
Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
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No, that is your view. You were the one who said that "I doubt anything in this apology was his true feelings on the matter"
To which I replied: "You doubt anything in Suarez' apology are his true feelings. So you doubt his true feelings do not only extend to regretting anything that he did, but also his true feelings do not extend to letting Dalglish down, or the club itself."
To which you replied: "Correct".
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Bassett and Anfield Cat vs The World (U3979)
posted 32 seconds ago
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
____________________________
Mr Evra used insulting words towards Mr Suarez during the match, that's breaking these rules and it's all in the report.
So why has nothing been done?
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I dont think it was the insulting words that the Fa were worried about. I might be wrong here, but I think that they had to charge him with the insulting words bit so that they could also do him for mentioning the skin colour.
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it doesn't matter what they're worried about. According to the rules, Evra broke them and admitted to it. Suarez was done for saying the word 'black' so sure Evra should have been for the abusive words he used in relation to Suarez?
I just find it mind-boggling.
"Was Saurez right or wrong, in your eyes what is it to be?"
I don't know either way. Neither did the panel, as there was no evidence. Which is why the case should have been thrown out or both players receive four-game bans for abuse.
I'am so glad you've cleared that up.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Yes. From your own post:-
"insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour"
So he was charged for making insulting words in reference to Evra's colour. In other words racial abuse.
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Im confused now. You seem to have contradicted yourself, but maybe im wrong. What exactly do you think he should have been charged with then?
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
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No, that is your view. You were the one who said that "I doubt anything in this apology was his true feelings on the matter"
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I mean in relation to Evra.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
it doesn't matter what they're worried about. According to the rules, Evra broke them and admitted to it. Suarez was done for saying the word 'black' so sure Evra should have been for the abusive words he used in relation to Suarez?
I just find it mind-boggling.
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It is no different from Rooney getting the ban for swearing down the camera. Everyone breaks the swearing rule all the time. They also insult each other all the time. But the rule will only be imposed in the most severe cases.
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Yes. From your own post:-
"insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour"
So he was charged for making insulting words in reference to Evra's colour. In other words racial abuse.
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Im confused now. You seem to have contradicted yourself, but maybe im wrong. What exactly do you think he should have been charged with then?
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Nothing. There was no evidence that he did anything wrong. On the otherhand there was evidence that Evra did something wrong, as he admitted to it.
Oh wait, Suarez could have been charged with that rule you spoke of, players aren't allowed to mention race. Not sure what the punishment is though. What is it?
I mean in relation to Evra.
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You mean what in relation to Evra?
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
it doesn't matter what they're worried about. According to the rules, Evra broke them and admitted to it. Suarez was done for saying the word 'black' so sure Evra should have been for the abusive words he used in relation to Suarez?
I just find it mind-boggling.
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It is no different from Rooney getting the ban for swearing down the camera. Everyone breaks the swearing rule all the time. They also insult each other all the time. But the rule will only be imposed in the most severe cases.
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This wasn't a severe case?
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
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No, that is your view. You were the one who said that "I doubt anything in this apology was his true feelings on the matter"
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I mean in relation to Evra.
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His apology wasnt aimed at Evra.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
This wasn't a severe case?
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Yes of course it was. Which is why they decided to use the insulting rule to also hit Suarez with the reference to skin colour bit.
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posted on 14/2/12
However i also said that I can understand Suarez in that when it actually came to do it, he couldn't go through with it.
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We've moved on from that. Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
TOOR: "unfortunately this doesn't happen in football. It's all about PR nowadays and rarely people show their true feelings"
Rarely people show their true emotions? Ah, I see. So I take it you're not fooled by the apologies and comments that have come out of Liverpool since the weekend then. Suarez isn't really sorry, nor does he really care about letting Dalglish or the club down. And perhaps even Dalglish isn't really sorry for the way he acted when interviewed after the game by Geoff Shreeves.
It's an interesting view you have TOOR. Even more interesting that you feel a forced apology, one that isn't even genuine, should result in the whole matter being put to bed. Perhaps I should take your view on board and also think that Suarez' apology was basically a load of crap, thus denying him even the possibility that he has showed any genuine act of contrition in all of this sorry episode.
posted on 14/2/12
it's not. had Suarez made a complaint about it, and evra admitted to saying it, or it could be proved some other way, then I'm sure he would also have been banned.
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I read the quote in the report, so obviously Evra did admit to it
posted on 14/2/12
comment by oldnewtonheath (U10418)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by oldnewtonheath (U10418)
posted 1 second ago
were not in Uraguay are we!!!!!!!!!!!
& you cant walk round saying "eh black" or "why black", WE ALL KNOW THIS DONT WE.
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We can't but it still isn't racial abuse to ask, "why, black?" as there is no derogative used in reference to race.
Please grow up. Its wrong you know it but you keep defending it, WHY?
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Grow up? In what way are my comments childish? This is fact. You cannot abuse somebody without being derogatory. You cannot racially abuse somebody without be derogatory in regards to their race. These are factual statements and to suggest somebody is childish just because he/she doesn't agree with you is quite frankly ridiculous.
Was Saurez right or wrong, in your eyes what is it to be?
Never mind a long winded essay, just a simple right or wrong PLEASE our kid.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by VictorGooner™ (U2027)
posted 2 minutes ago
How is "don't touch me south american" any better by the way?
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it's not. had Suarez made a complaint about it, and evra admitted to saying it, or it could be proved some other way, then I'm sure he would also have been banned.
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Evra admitted to abusing Suarez. He wasn't banned. Suarez doesn;t need to make a complaint if the FA are aware of the situation, which they obviously were as they sad and listened to Evra admitting abusing Suarez.
Quite frankly you show a complete ignorance on this whole subject, so to come here on your high horse or absolutely ridiculous. Climb down, go read about the situation, read the report, then come back.
posted on 14/2/12
He asked "why, black?" which isn't derogatory meaning it isn't even abuse nevermind racist abuse
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the fact that you keep coming out with this, despite it being explained several times why it IS derogatory in itself, without the needs for qualifying words, is really quite worrying.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
However i also said that I can understand Suarez in that when it actually came to do it, he couldn't go through with it.
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We've moved on from that. Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Elvis said it is against FA rules to mention race at all, if so fair enough, Suarez was against this rule. However why wasn't he punished for this but instead abuse and racist abuse? I'll tell you, because it is not about what Suarez admitted to, it is about what Evra said that Suarez said.
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I dont think that he was charged with racist abuse was he? It doesnt sound like he was to me - just for mentioning skin colour as part of the abuse. Which he has admittted:
The Independent Regulatory Commission announced its decision on 20 December 2011, which is as follows:
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
the insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour within the meaning of Rule E3(2);
posted on 14/2/12
Rarely people show their true emotions? Ah, I see. So I take it you're not fooled by the apologies and comments that have come out of Liverpool since the weekend then. Suarez isn't really sorry, nor does he really care about letting Dalglish or the club down. And perhaps even Dalglish isn't really sorry for the way he acted when interviewed after the game by Geoff Shreeves.
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I don't think Suarez is sorry for not shaking Evra's hand. He might be sorry for making Kenny look a fool.
posted on 14/2/12
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
____________________________
Mr Evra used insulting words towards Mr Suarez during the match, that's breaking these rules and it's all in the report.
So why has nothing been done?
posted on 14/2/12
I see you are still avoiding the CAS point then TOOR?
Your view of his appeal being illegal is incorrect. All he needs to do is appeal at the levels below CAS (FA and UEFA) in order to get a hearing.
Now if you were innocent, dont you think that would be a good idea to clear your name?
posted on 14/2/12
omment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Elvis said it is against FA rules to mention race at all, if so fair enough, Suarez was against this rule. However why wasn't he punished for this but instead abuse and racist abuse? I'll tell you, because it is not about what Suarez admitted to, it is about what Evra said that Suarez said.
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I dont think that he was charged with racist abuse was he?
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Yes. From your own post:-
"insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour"
So he was charged for making insulting words in reference to Evra's colour. In other words racial abuse.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by Fred Bassett and Anfield Cat vs The World (U3979)
posted 32 seconds ago
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
____________________________
Mr Evra used insulting words towards Mr Suarez during the match, that's breaking these rules and it's all in the report.
So why has nothing been done?
----------------------------------------------
I dont think it was the insulting words that the Fa were worried about. I might be wrong here, but I think that they had to charge him with the insulting words bit so that they could also do him for mentioning the skin colour.
posted on 14/2/12
"Was Saurez right or wrong, in your eyes what is it to be?"
I don't know either way. Neither did the panel, as there was no evidence. Which is why the case should have been thrown out or both players receive four-game bans for abuse.
posted on 14/2/12
it's not. had Suarez made a complaint about it, and evra admitted to saying it, or it could be proved some other way, then I'm sure he would also have been banned.
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Evra admitted to abusing Suarez. He wasn't banned. Suarez doesn;t need to make a complaint if the FA are aware of the situation, which they obviously were as they sad and listened to Evra admitting abusing Suarez.
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Well, in my opinion, that is wrong - evidently there must be some reason why he wasn't pulled up for it - which can only realistically be that Suarez didn't put in a complaint about it.
Afterall the laws on harrasment are very vague. for instance the definition of sexual harrassment isn't "such n such act" or "so n so words" it is simply if the complainer feels harrassed. An act that to one person would be harrassment to another would be a simple friendly gesture.
Evra felt harrassed. he made a complaint. that complaint was upheld. deal with it.
posted on 14/2/12
Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
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No, that is your view. You were the one who said that "I doubt anything in this apology was his true feelings on the matter"
To which I replied: "You doubt anything in Suarez' apology are his true feelings. So you doubt his true feelings do not only extend to regretting anything that he did, but also his true feelings do not extend to letting Dalglish down, or the club itself."
To which you replied: "Correct".
posted on 14/2/12
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Fred Bassett and Anfield Cat vs The World (U3979)
posted 32 seconds ago
Mr Suarez used insulting words towards Mr Evra during the match contrary to FA Rule E3(1);
____________________________
Mr Evra used insulting words towards Mr Suarez during the match, that's breaking these rules and it's all in the report.
So why has nothing been done?
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I dont think it was the insulting words that the Fa were worried about. I might be wrong here, but I think that they had to charge him with the insulting words bit so that they could also do him for mentioning the skin colour.
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it doesn't matter what they're worried about. According to the rules, Evra broke them and admitted to it. Suarez was done for saying the word 'black' so sure Evra should have been for the abusive words he used in relation to Suarez?
I just find it mind-boggling.
posted on 14/2/12
"Was Saurez right or wrong, in your eyes what is it to be?"
I don't know either way. Neither did the panel, as there was no evidence. Which is why the case should have been thrown out or both players receive four-game bans for abuse.
I'am so glad you've cleared that up.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Yes. From your own post:-
"insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour"
So he was charged for making insulting words in reference to Evra's colour. In other words racial abuse.
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Im confused now. You seem to have contradicted yourself, but maybe im wrong. What exactly do you think he should have been charged with then?
posted on 14/2/12
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
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No, that is your view. You were the one who said that "I doubt anything in this apology was his true feelings on the matter"
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I mean in relation to Evra.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
it doesn't matter what they're worried about. According to the rules, Evra broke them and admitted to it. Suarez was done for saying the word 'black' so sure Evra should have been for the abusive words he used in relation to Suarez?
I just find it mind-boggling.
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It is no different from Rooney getting the ban for swearing down the camera. Everyone breaks the swearing rule all the time. They also insult each other all the time. But the rule will only be imposed in the most severe cases.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 24 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
Yes. From your own post:-
"insulting words used by Mr Suarez included a reference to Mr Evra's colour"
So he was charged for making insulting words in reference to Evra's colour. In other words racial abuse.
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Im confused now. You seem to have contradicted yourself, but maybe im wrong. What exactly do you think he should have been charged with then?
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Nothing. There was no evidence that he did anything wrong. On the otherhand there was evidence that Evra did something wrong, as he admitted to it.
Oh wait, Suarez could have been charged with that rule you spoke of, players aren't allowed to mention race. Not sure what the punishment is though. What is it?
posted on 14/2/12
I mean in relation to Evra.
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You mean what in relation to Evra?
posted on 14/2/12
comment by Elvis (U7425)
posted 56 seconds ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
it doesn't matter what they're worried about. According to the rules, Evra broke them and admitted to it. Suarez was done for saying the word 'black' so sure Evra should have been for the abusive words he used in relation to Suarez?
I just find it mind-boggling.
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It is no different from Rooney getting the ban for swearing down the camera. Everyone breaks the swearing rule all the time. They also insult each other all the time. But the rule will only be imposed in the most severe cases.
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This wasn't a severe case?
posted on 14/2/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
Now we're discussing about Suarez not caring that he has let Dalglish and the club down. Something which is actually your view.
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I didn't say that, you're saying that.
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No, that is your view. You were the one who said that "I doubt anything in this apology was his true feelings on the matter"
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I mean in relation to Evra.
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His apology wasnt aimed at Evra.
posted on 14/2/12
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds (U1721)
This wasn't a severe case?
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Yes of course it was. Which is why they decided to use the insulting rule to also hit Suarez with the reference to skin colour bit.
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