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posted on 14/2/12

comment by VictorGooner™ (U2027)
posted 11 minutes ago
Suarez admitted to saying 'why, black' not to racially abusing anybody. Why can't people get this into their heads? Are the media saying he admitted to something else?
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can you not see that referring to someone by their colour and not their name is, in itself, racist?

bearing in mind that the person saying it was mid argument with the person he is referring to, it's even moreso.
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it is not racist to refer to somebody's colour. To be racist you have to hold views that one race is somehow inferior to another.

To racially abuse somebody a derogative has to be used. Asking "why, black" is not derogatory and therefore not even abuse, never mind racial abuse.

posted on 14/2/12

comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 2 minutes ago
TOOR,

Lets not forget he nipped (and admitted to it) Evra to relieve the tension!

He is proven guilty, if he is so adamant that he is innocent why not take a trip to the CAS and at least get your name cleared?
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He nipped a player, so what? A lot of strikers do or did that to annoy their markers.

He couldn't goto CAS.

comment by Bobby (U4765)

posted on 14/2/12

He is proven guilty, if he is so adamant that he is innocent why not take a trip to the CAS and at least get your name cleared?
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You can't really use that argument as it's not possible to go straight to CAS, all other avenues of clearing the problem with the countries football association must be exhausted before going to CAS.

posted on 14/2/12

WHO bites other players then TOORON?

My god what an utterly sad pathetic attention seeking little boy you are!!!

You will say anything to get attention, I honestly have the utmost pity for you, how sad your life must be when you need to constantly come on here spouting drivel just so people will argue with you?

Your Drs surgery will have a counsellor on staff, who you can be referred to, they might be able to start sort out your muddled little mind, and give you some direction in life

posted on 14/2/12

can you not see that referring to someone by their colour and not their name is, in itself, racist?

bearing in mind that the person saying it was mid argument with the person he is referring to, it's even moreso.
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it is not racist to refer to somebody's colour. To be racist you have to hold views that one race is somehow inferior to another.

To racially abuse somebody a derogative has to be used. Asking "why, black" is not derogatory and therefore not even abuse, never mind racial abuse.
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that is quite possibly the most absurd viewpoint i have seen about this incident.

posted on 14/2/12

comment by newWAYNEorder, the smiley god (U1015)
posted 1 minute ago
WHO bites other players then TOORON?

My god what an utterly sad pathetic attention seeking little boy you are!!!

You will say anything to get attention, I honestly have the utmost pity for you, how sad your life must be when you need to constantly come on here spouting drivel just so people will argue with you?

Your Drs surgery will have a counsellor on staff, who you can be referred to, they might be able to start sort out your muddled little mind, and give you some direction in life
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You're boring. Zip it. I don't wish to enter into debate with a forty year old with the mental capacity of a twelve year old. Go draw some nice pretty things, my special little friend.

comment by Bobby (U4765)

posted on 14/2/12

newWAYNEorder, you seem to be a little bit obsessed with TOOR , are you sure it's not yourself who requires a counsellor?

posted on 14/2/12

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posted on 14/2/12

WHO bites other players then TOORON?
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Jermain Defoe.

posted on 14/2/12

comment by VictorGooner™ (U2027)
posted 1 minute ago
can you not see that referring to someone by their colour and not their name is, in itself, racist?

bearing in mind that the person saying it was mid argument with the person he is referring to, it's even moreso.
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it is not racist to refer to somebody's colour. To be racist you have to hold views that one race is somehow inferior to another.

To racially abuse somebody a derogative has to be used. Asking "why, black" is not derogatory and therefore not even abuse, never mind racial abuse.
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that is quite possibly the most absurd viewpoint i have seen about this incident.
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The problem you have Victor is you don't actually know what racism is. What i told you is not a viewpoint, it is a fact. Racism is why you hold thoughts that one race is inferior to another.

Racial abuse is when you abuse somebody using their race. To do this you have to refer to his/her race using a derogatory.

Suarez asking, "why, black?" is not derogatory and therefore not even abuse nevermind racial abuse.

posted on 14/2/12

comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 1 minute ago
He couldn't goto CAS.

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Why can't he?
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Because it's against the law.

posted on 14/2/12

I feel the owners stepped in and due to the recent PR failures and criticism of the club decided that Suarez would issue an apology and as an employee of the club he obeyed it.

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Yes, that has already been established. What has also been established is that it is your view that Suarez' true feelings do not extend to letting Dalglish or the club down.

So, as an employee, he will rightly do as he is told, while at the same time misleading the club by not doing something that he was either told to do or stated, by his own volition, that he would do.

Personally, I would rather it was the case that Suarez' apology was of his own volition. I feel that would paint Suarez in a better light as at least it would be genuine. I would rather that the comments contained within his apology were his true feelings, as that would mean that there is no doubt that he does, at the very least, care about his manager and club.

posted on 14/2/12

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posted on 14/2/12

Because it's against the law.

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What to appeal a decision you feel is incorrect? Which law is this you refer to then. Will happily eat humble pie on this if you can show me

posted on 14/2/12

No waynes alright,
it's Toor whose a sandwich short of a picnic.
next he'll be telling you its quite acceptable to stand on a street corner calling people you black this you black that.
see if you get your stupid point across then, with no teeth.

posted on 14/2/12

The problem you have Victor is you don't actually know what racism is.
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I know exactly what racism is you condescending twit.

the panel in this case knew what had been said, after all, suarez admitted to saying it - and they too took the viewpoint that it constituted a racist remark - quite rightly.

you simply cannot go around referring to people simply by their colour/ethnicity and call it anything else. You're telling that person they are not even worthy of a name, they are simply a person of that colour.

The fact that you cannot see this is rather worrying frankly.

posted on 14/2/12

Stringer....

same logic applys to every bald guy that walks passed!

or fat guy

"why black" is not racist and wasnt being said to a number of people, it was a one on one. Dependiong on the individual u cud take it as an insult but racism it most certainly isnt.

posted on 14/2/12

comment by RipleysCat (U1862)
posted 1 minute ago
I feel the owners stepped in and due to the recent PR failures and criticism of the club decided that Suarez would issue an apology and as an employee of the club he obeyed it.

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Yes, that has already been established. What has also been established is that it is your view that Suarez' true feelings do not extend to letting Dalglish or the club down.
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This is wrong. I have already said throughout articles today that Suarez was wrong to say that he would shake Evra's hand, then not do it as it made the club look bad. However i also said that I can understand Suarez in that when it actually came to do it, he couldn't go through with it.
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Personally, I would rather it was the case that Suarez' apology was of his own volition. I feel that would paint Suarez in a better light as at least it would be genuine. I would rather that the comments contained within his apology were his true feelings, as that would mean that there is no doubt that he does, at the very least, care about his manager and club.
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unfortunately this doesn't happen in football. It's all about PR nowadays and rarely people show their true feelings. Even managers in post-match interviews will be diplomatic when they know the team has been shocking. It is all for the cameras. The apology was PR and nothing more, Suarez wouldn't have meant it, in my opinion.

comment by X (U4074)

posted on 14/2/12

VictorGooner - good point well made, I can't believe it took this long to point out the point where saying 'black' becomes racist.

But answer me this if Suarez would have said, "Why, my black friend?"
Would that be racist and why? Please assume Suarez has momentarily forgotten Evra's name x

posted on 14/2/12

comment by Fellaini's pirouette to perfection (U1308)
posted 5 minutes ago
Because it's against the law.

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What to appeal a decision you feel is incorrect?
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No, for him to goto the CAS in this instance.

posted on 14/2/12

comment by VictorGooner™ (U2027)
posted 4 minutes ago
The problem you have Victor is you don't actually know what racism is.
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I know exactly what racism is you condescending twit.
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you obviously do not as you said racism is when you refer to somebody's race.

posted on 14/2/12

Don't touch me South American.

Why black.
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Six of one half a dozen of the other.

posted on 14/2/12

what happens if he had said "why French?" is that derogatory because hes not worthy of a name???

your also forgetting that negro is commonly used in Uruguay.

posted on 14/2/12

Saying "why, black"? is not even abuse as there is no derogative used, nevermind racist abuse.

posted on 14/2/12

exactly Fred

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