comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted less than a minute ago
I’m not sure what makes me more angry a 0-0 or a 3-3. 😠
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Southampton game for sure.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted less than a minute ago
Optimistic not rational
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Nah, optimistic would be expecting us to be clicking after a handful of games.
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Clicking, yes. Improving one aspect without having to neuter another i dont feel is so much.

Improving on last year too much to ask

You win more games with a clean sheet that by concecind 2 or 3 goals per game.

Sort out the defence first, we gave the attack to make it work once we do

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by ＴＬＬＬ (U4640)
posted less than a minute ago
I’m not sure what makes me more angry a 0-0 or a 3-3. 😠
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Southampton game for sure.
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Southampton game was enjoyable for a while at least. This was just a bore fest.

comment by CP10 (U1097)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Sideshow (U11809)
posted less than a minute ago
Optimistic not rational
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Nah, optimistic would be expecting us to be clicking after a handful of games.
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Clicking, yes. Improving one aspect without having to neuter another i dont feel is so much.
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Over the longterm I agree, if it's a handful of games only, then it's worth it

I do reckon around the halfway point Lampard will settle on 433 & run with it. Both the 4231 & 343 have only worked circumstantially for him, the 433's been a good middle ground & we've got the personnel to play it a couple of different ways. Would've been handy to have retained one of Barkley or RLC (for depth) though.

Once again, it looks ,to me at least, that its actually player ability thats improving the team. Not any kind of managerial magic work. The players who were leaking goals with Lampard didn't looks so bad before him. Nor did they improve at any point under him.

Zouma improved over the course of last season

Yes you generally need good players to do well

Liverpool losing.

Last season is completely separate to this one IMO. Different circumstances in basically every aspect.

comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted less than a minute ago
Yes you generally need good players to do well
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Nice.

Or you could admit managers are there to elevate their abilities and to get them to play better than individuals and more as a team.

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted about a minute ago
I do reckon around the halfway point Lampard will settle on 433 & run with it. Both the 4231 & 343 have only worked circumstantially for him, the 433's been a good middle ground & we've got the personnel to play it a couple of different ways. Would've been handy to have retained one of Barkley or RLC (for depth) though.
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I hope so, but letting Barkley and RLC go suggests he is not intending to.

comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted less than a minute ago
Last season is completely separate to this one IMO. Different circumstances in basically every aspect.
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Yeah, now he has better players and we look worse

comment by CP10 (U1097)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted less than a minute ago
Yes you generally need good players to do well
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Nice.

Or you could admit managers are there to elevate their abilities and to get them to play better than individuals and more as a team.
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Obviously. But then you’re pretending he hasn’t improved anyone so what’s the point

rtm stop trying

apparently our concerns are irrational and we should bow to the intellectual superiority of biggish and co

comment by CP10 (U1097)
posted 2 minutes ago
Once again, it looks ,to me at least, that its actually player ability thats improving the team. Not any kind of managerial magic work. The players who were leaking goals with Lampard didn't looks so bad before him. Nor did they improve at any point under him.
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I think our defensive problems are down to a mixture of players and how we execute 4 2 3 1.

We may still be able to make 4 2 3 1 work if we can execute it.

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 1 minute ago

comment by Devil (U6522)
posted about a minute ago
I do reckon around the halfway point Lampard will settle on 433 & run with it. Both the 4231 & 343 have only worked circumstantially for him, the 433's been a good middle ground & we've got the personnel to play it a couple of different ways. Would've been handy to have retained one of Barkley or RLC (for depth) though.
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I hope so, but letting Barkley and RLC go suggests he is not intending to.
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Agree, and he'll realize it was an oversight when he does.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 37 seconds ago
rtm stop trying

apparently our concerns are irrational and we should bow to the intellectual superiority of biggish and co
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Yeah fk us for not lying down and whinging every game

comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by CP10 (U1097)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted less than a minute ago
Yes you generally need good players to do well
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Nice.

Or you could admit managers are there to elevate their abilities and to get them to play better than individuals and more as a team.
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Obviously. But then you’re pretending he hasn’t improved anyone so what’s the point
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Reece Hsmrs is improving. Mount has flourished under Lampard. Even Barkley improved slightly under Frank.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 2 minutes ago
rtm stop trying

apparently our concerns are irrational and we should bow to the intellectual superiority of biggish and co
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Why are you saying that?

Have to agree with Blarney now do we?

comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by CP10 (U1097)
posted 39 seconds ago
comment by Kaiser Havertz (U5245)
posted less than a minute ago
Yes you generally need good players to do well
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Nice.

Or you could admit managers are there to elevate their abilities and to get them to play better than individuals and more as a team.
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Obviously. But then you’re pretending he hasn’t improved anyone so what’s the point
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I'm not pretending anything. Who has he improved? Zouma hasn't improved. He's been good. He isn't any better than we knew he was. He just got more time on the pitch.

Mount? Tammy? CHO? Mount is just growing as a player naturally. Luckily he had a great start and earned himself a lot of time.

One issue I find is not picking the right players for the system used against particular opponents.

Like it was obvious this game wouldn’t suit Havertz, which even someone like me could tell. Similarly when we went all defensive after they brought Pogba and Cavani on, I think the team needed Kovacic.

Jorginho played well against Palace; he suits those kind of games. But I don’t think he was more suited to today’s situation than Kovacic.