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posted on 3/10/21

First half vs Liverpool we should have been 3-4 goals up. The front three made the wring choices on about six occasions in front of goal. It was maddening but it also highlighted to me how fallible the Liverpool team is.

In my view, we have four teams that are strong but with weaknesses. Maybe time will make me a fool and City-Liverpool will pull ahead and get silly points totals but I doubt it.

posted on 3/10/21

comment by Oscar. #TeamFury. (U12980)
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Salah and Mane will be big losses for them during acon
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I trust Kepa more than they can trust Minamino or Origi

posted on 3/10/21

comment by (U22712)
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Liverpool have not strengthened either. Regardless of the injury crisis their collapse last season was alarming, so obviously the onus is on them to show they can return to their previous levels. Their performances so far suggest otherwise.

Btw, you are making it sound like I am dismissing them, they have a good team and are contenders. I simply don’t think you can call them favourites.

I highly doubt City or Liverpool will get 95+ points this season. Instead I think we could end up with four teams on 82-87 points which would be exciting,
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I am making my case for why they are my slight favourites. I don't feel you are dismissing them,but I am wary in general of reading too much into games so early in the season and personally prefer to look over the last couple.

I dknt think Liverpool's form was alarming last season, they had to rip their midfield to bits just to get a makeshift CB pairing. No team would survive that. It only took City to lose Kompany for their team to fall apart.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 3/10/21

They did lose 7-2 to Villa before the injury crisis

posted on 3/10/21

comment by (U22712)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
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Likewise we should be cautious praising Liverpool for swatting away easy games.

Before the season, I thought we were contenders but not favourites, and that we were a strong but fallible team. In other words, we could lose narrowly to City courtesy of a deflected goal and it wouldn't change my assessment.

Liverpool failing to break down 10 men is a lot more worrying for them imo.
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We can focus on the deflected goal or we can focus on the fact that City made us look like Sunday pub team because we didn't cope with their press. That is much more of an issue than a deflected goal, but as I said,it's one game and I think on another day we can cope much better than we did last weekend

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I didn’t see it that way. We played poorly but still contained City mostly and were a good final ball away from sucker punching them. Anyway, I think that game can be looked at as a bad day at the office in a way being outplayed by a team with 10 men cant be. We actually created the best second half chances at Anfield.
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I don't see why a bad day in the office can be applies in one case but not the other, so we shall agree to disagree on that.

posted on 3/10/21

Losing five home games in a row is not alarming? Being outplayed at Anfiekd by Burnley, Fulham and your Merseyside rivals is not alarming?

posted on 3/10/21

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted about a minute ago
They did lose 7-2 to Villa before the injury crisis
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Yeah and back in 99 I think it was we beat United 5 0 and they won the league

posted on 3/10/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
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Likewise we should be cautious praising Liverpool for swatting away easy games.

Before the season, I thought we were contenders but not favourites, and that we were a strong but fallible team. In other words, we could lose narrowly to City courtesy of a deflected goal and it wouldn't change my assessment.

Liverpool failing to break down 10 men is a lot more worrying for them imo.
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We can focus on the deflected goal or we can focus on the fact that City made us look like Sunday pub team because we didn't cope with their press. That is much more of an issue than a deflected goal, but as I said,it's one game and I think on another day we can cope much better than we did last weekend

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I didn’t see it that way. We played poorly but still contained City mostly and were a good final ball away from sucker punching them. Anyway, I think that game can be looked at as a bad day at the office in a way being outplayed by a team with 10 men cant be. We actually created the best second half chances at Anfield.
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I don't see why a bad day in the office can be applies in one case but not the other, so we shall agree to disagree on that.
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I see losing narrowly a game to Man City after beating them three times in a row as a bad day at the office.

I see failing to take apart ten men as damning, frankly.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 3/10/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted about a minute ago
They did lose 7-2 to Villa before the injury crisis
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Yeah and back in 99 I think it was we beat United 5 0 and they won the league
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I remember that even though i was 6, fun times

posted on 3/10/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted about a minute ago
They did lose 7-2 to Villa before the injury crisis
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Yeah and back in 99 I think it was we beat United 5 0 and they won the league
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Yeah and Liverpool came fourth

posted on 3/10/21

comment by (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
Losing five home games in a row is not alarming? Being outplayed at Anfiekd by Burnley, Fulham and your Merseyside rivals is not alarming?
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It easbt alarming given the injuries they had and the fact that Anfield was empty. They were restructuring their team every game due to injuries. As soon as they finally had some stability, they stormed back from mid table to finish 3rd.

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 3/10/21

Klopp taking his glasses off these days is the real issue. Man just looks odd

posted on 3/10/21

comment by (U22712)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted about a minute ago
They did lose 7-2 to Villa before the injury crisis
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Yeah and back in 99 I think it was we beat United 5 0 and they won the league
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Yeah and Liverpool came fourth
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3rd actually ahead of us

posted on 3/10/21

Liverpool went on a great run of form last season when the chips were down but this season they have a very favourable hand and are barely ahead of us. This suggests they are a strong team but far from a perfect one.

I don't consider us to be better, I just don’t see us as worse.

posted on 3/10/21

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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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Likewise we should be cautious praising Liverpool for swatting away easy games.

Before the season, I thought we were contenders but not favourites, and that we were a strong but fallible team. In other words, we could lose narrowly to City courtesy of a deflected goal and it wouldn't change my assessment.

Liverpool failing to break down 10 men is a lot more worrying for them imo.
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We can focus on the deflected goal or we can focus on the fact that City made us look like Sunday pub team because we didn't cope with their press. That is much more of an issue than a deflected goal, but as I said,it's one game and I think on another day we can cope much better than we did last weekend

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I didn’t see it that way. We played poorly but still contained City mostly and were a good final ball away from sucker punching them. Anyway, I think that game can be looked at as a bad day at the office in a way being outplayed by a team with 10 men cant be. We actually created the best second half chances at Anfield.
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I don't see why a bad day in the office can be applies in one case but not the other, so we shall agree to disagree on that.
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I see losing narrowly a game to Man City after beating them three times in a row as a bad day at the office.

I see failing to take apart ten men as damning, frankly.
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I dont

posted on 3/10/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 10 seconds ago
comment by (U22712)
posted about a minute ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted about a minute ago
They did lose 7-2 to Villa before the injury crisis
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Yeah and back in 99 I think it was we beat United 5 0 and they won the league
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Yeah and Liverpool came fourth
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3rd actually ahead of us
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Great, chuck the CL trophy in the bin, lets get a bronze medal in the league instead

comment by Blarmy (U14547)

posted on 3/10/21

I didnt consider the City loss to be narrow in terms of the actual play

posted on 3/10/21

comment by (U22712)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
Likewise we should be cautious praising Liverpool for swatting away easy games.

Before the season, I thought we were contenders but not favourites, and that we were a strong but fallible team. In other words, we could lose narrowly to City courtesy of a deflected goal and it wouldn't change my assessment.

Liverpool failing to break down 10 men is a lot more worrying for them imo.
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We can focus on the deflected goal or we can focus on the fact that City made us look like Sunday pub team because we didn't cope with their press. That is much more of an issue than a deflected goal, but as I said,it's one game and I think on another day we can cope much better than we did last weekend

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I didn’t see it that way. We played poorly but still contained City mostly and were a good final ball away from sucker punching them. Anyway, I think that game can be looked at as a bad day at the office in a way being outplayed by a team with 10 men cant be. We actually created the best second half chances at Anfield.
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I don't see why a bad day in the office can be applies in one case but not the other, so we shall agree to disagree on that.
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I see losing narrowly a game to Man City after beating them three times in a row as a bad day at the office.

I see failing to take apart ten men as damning, frankly.
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That is how you want to see it I guess. I see them exactly the same.

posted on 3/10/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
Likewise we should be cautious praising Liverpool for swatting away easy games.

Before the season, I thought we were contenders but not favourites, and that we were a strong but fallible team. In other words, we could lose narrowly to City courtesy of a deflected goal and it wouldn't change my assessment.

Liverpool failing to break down 10 men is a lot more worrying for them imo.
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We can focus on the deflected goal or we can focus on the fact that City made us look like Sunday pub team because we didn't cope with their press. That is much more of an issue than a deflected goal, but as I said,it's one game and I think on another day we can cope much better than we did last weekend

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I didn’t see it that way. We played poorly but still contained City mostly and were a good final ball away from sucker punching them. Anyway, I think that game can be looked at as a bad day at the office in a way being outplayed by a team with 10 men cant be. We actually created the best second half chances at Anfield.
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I don't see why a bad day in the office can be applies in one case but not the other, so we shall agree to disagree on that.
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I see losing narrowly a game to Man City after beating them three times in a row as a bad day at the office.

I see failing to take apart ten men as damning, frankly.
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I dont
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I think failing to exploit a man advantage for a whole half of football as up there with letting a three goal lead slip

posted on 3/10/21

comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by (U22712)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
Likewise we should be cautious praising Liverpool for swatting away easy games.

Before the season, I thought we were contenders but not favourites, and that we were a strong but fallible team. In other words, we could lose narrowly to City courtesy of a deflected goal and it wouldn't change my assessment.

Liverpool failing to break down 10 men is a lot more worrying for them imo.
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We can focus on the deflected goal or we can focus on the fact that City made us look like Sunday pub team because we didn't cope with their press. That is much more of an issue than a deflected goal, but as I said,it's one game and I think on another day we can cope much better than we did last weekend

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I didn’t see it that way. We played poorly but still contained City mostly and were a good final ball away from sucker punching them. Anyway, I think that game can be looked at as a bad day at the office in a way being outplayed by a team with 10 men cant be. We actually created the best second half chances at Anfield.
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I don't see why a bad day in the office can be applies in one case but not the other, so we shall agree to disagree on that.
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I see losing narrowly a game to Man City after beating them three times in a row as a bad day at the office.

I see failing to take apart ten men as damning, frankly.
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That is how you want to see it I guess. I see them exactly the same.
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Until further exames appear to establish a trend.

posted on 3/10/21

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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
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comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 29 seconds ago
comment by (U22712)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by SWTN - Judas is number 1 (U7916)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by (U22712)
posted 3 minutes ago
Likewise we should be cautious praising Liverpool for swatting away easy games.

Before the season, I thought we were contenders but not favourites, and that we were a strong but fallible team. In other words, we could lose narrowly to City courtesy of a deflected goal and it wouldn't change my assessment.

Liverpool failing to break down 10 men is a lot more worrying for them imo.
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We can focus on the deflected goal or we can focus on the fact that City made us look like Sunday pub team because we didn't cope with their press. That is much more of an issue than a deflected goal, but as I said,it's one game and I think on another day we can cope much better than we did last weekend

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I didn’t see it that way. We played poorly but still contained City mostly and were a good final ball away from sucker punching them. Anyway, I think that game can be looked at as a bad day at the office in a way being outplayed by a team with 10 men cant be. We actually created the best second half chances at Anfield.
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I don't see why a bad day in the office can be applies in one case but not the other, so we shall agree to disagree on that.
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I see losing narrowly a game to Man City after beating them three times in a row as a bad day at the office.

I see failing to take apart ten men as damning, frankly.
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I dont
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I think failing to exploit a man advantage for a whole half of football as up there with letting a three goal lead slip
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I think it happens a lot in the history of the game and you are making a melodram about it.

posted on 3/10/21

We played really well agst Liverrpool and they didn't play well.

City played really well agst us and we didn't play well.

Neither game established a trend.

posted on 3/10/21

comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 38 seconds ago
I didnt consider the City loss to be narrow in terms of the actual play
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Recently I rewatched the Conte win vs City at the Etihad in 2016, we were battered until the Costa goal and KDB missed a sitter at one nil. In terms of general play they were better and yet we won 3-1. We adapted to the game and exploited their high line. But they were the better team tbh.

I only really care about results when it comes to titles, and not exploiting a dodgy referee, the Anfield crowd and 45 mins vs 10 man Chelsea was criminally awful.

If they steamroller City today obviously I will adjust my perspective, but I maintain they are currently contenders not favourites.

posted on 3/10/21

comment by (U22712)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Blarmy (U14547)
posted 38 seconds ago
I didnt consider the City loss to be narrow in terms of the actual play
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Recently I rewatched the Conte win vs City at the Etihad in 2016, we were battered until the Costa goal and KDB missed a sitter at one nil. In terms of general play they were better and yet we won 3-1. We adapted to the game and exploited their high line. But they were the better team tbh.

I only really care about results when it comes to titles, and not exploiting a dodgy referee, the Anfield crowd and 45 mins vs 10 man Chelsea was criminally awful.

If they steamroller City today obviously I will adjust my perspective, but I maintain they are currently contenders not favourites.
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But in that game qesticreated chances and caused them problems.

Wedding have a shot on target last weekend. We were camped in our own half and we were at home. It was more like the awful 1 0 defeat undercoated at the Ethiad.

But again to stress, I don't think that would happen again.I think it was just us being poor and City being great

posted on 3/10/21

I agree, there are no trends, that is my point. Editorialising Liverpool as favourites is a mistake. Perhaps time will vindicate that perspective but I cant see how you can look at:

a) Last season’s collapse
b) The fact they couldnt beat us with 10 men
c) They had easy fixtures but drew to Brighton and Brentford
d) Their paucity if offensive options beyond their first choices
e) AFCON taking their two best players for a month
f) Their lack of transfer activity

And think ‘favourites’.

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