Redcon I would agree with Agger, he's a great defender. Suarez can be quality on his day, but for me Gerrard is past it.
So that's 1 solid and 1 if he performs.
People who don't rate Lucas don't know football.
People who don't rate Lucas don't know football.
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By the Lucas I was referring to Leiva Lucas comment about Reina Gerrard Suarez and Lucas. Then also Bellamy.
Not Lucas the player. Although I haven't seen enough of him to say he is top quality.
"I still don't think Arsenal's squad is that strong. Take RVP out of your team and put him in ours and I think our places in the league would be reversed."
talk about delusion
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How is it delusional? RVP has carried your team all season. Without him, you'd be 7th/8th.
RonAlvinho-10 (U6117)
If you say Suarez can be quality on his day then the same will have to be said for Gerrard.
Arsenal have had more individual players score than any other club.
The one man team business is bol|ocks.
Arsenal need Arteta more than Van Persie for me.
Although without Van Persie, you will wonder where do the goals come from
If you say Suarez can be quality on his day then the same will have to be said for Gerrard.
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Every player can be quality on there day.
Some just do it more often than others. Gerrard hasn't done it consistently for a long time.
Bellamy has been a limited success though. His age and fitness are holding him back i'm afraid. Plus, Henderson has played too many games to merely call him a replacement for Poulsen as Poulsen never played that many. Henderson has pretty much been a first teamer. As for Carroll, it's hard to spend £35m and say he is one for the future. At that sort of money and considering how short Liverpool are up front then you really can't just say he's one for the future. Or if you do then it reflects very poorly on the manager who bought him.
Agger and Suarez are realistically the only two who would compete to get into the City team, but even then they still wouldn't be assured of a starting place. Although admittedly I haven't watched an awful lot of Lucas in the last year or two. Gerrard is in decline I'm sorry to say.
Gerrard's only issue is injuries.
If he can stay relatively fit then he's still one of the top in the league.
RvP has had the same issue his whole career. Except he stayed fit this year.
I honestly feel if Arsenal are offered a HUGE amount for Van Persie, they should take it.
30-35 mil
we would i reckon because of his age and injury record
Aslong as it went straight back into the team though right?
Ofcourse...im sure the board knows that as well
Arsenal have scored 68 goals RVP has 28 of them! Take him away and you're left with 40 goals. Thats 2 more than Wolves have managed.
Chamakh couldn't get at least half of that if he ever played, Walcott has 11 and is Gervinho even a striker??
This is obvioulsy a massive assumption as if RVP wasn't there someone half decent would at least be but it puts a huge onus on him to perform. Luckily he has in this case....
hhmmm probably only spend half of it on a player someone like giroud or huntelaar
TopGunner if you could sell RVP, buy Huntelaar and still have £15mil or so left that would be incredible business.
Even Holland seem to favour Huntelaar.
Arsenal have had more individual players score than any other club.
The one man team business is bol|ocks.
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No its not b o llocks. A lot of players have pitched in with one goal or two but that doens't mean you haven't been heavily reliant on RVP.
After RVP you only have one other player who has managed double figures.
After RVP, your next higest scorers in all comps are Walccot (11), Arteta (6), Vermaelen (6), Yossi(4), Gervinho (4) and AOC (4). Thats 35 goals between them.
Suarez is our top scorer and our six scorers behind him are Bellamy (9), Gerrard (9), Carroll (8), Maxi (6), Kuyt (5), Skrtel (4). Thats 40 goals.
The difference between us and you is that you have RVP. Otherwise you'd be in a worse position.
The difference between us and you is that you have RVP. Otherwise you'd be in a worse position.
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Well no... the difference between "you and us", is we have players like Dextor Blackstock and Andy Reid and we are in the Championship.
The difference between Arsenal and Liverpool however is Arsenal have a much stronger midfield who feed somebody to tuck away the chances. Where as Liverpool have Suarez, who has to create his own chances if he wants to score.
But that's the point isn't it though?? You feel Liverpool need to make 5 or 6 top quality signings to break into the top 4. Now I'd be very surprised if you or anyone else thought that last Summer.
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If there was one thing that literally every Liverpool fan agreed on last summer it was that we needed to sign at least 5-6 players just to get a competitive squad again. We needed a LB, CB, RW, LW, CF and maybe another CM and maybe a back up GK.
We signed Enrique, Coates, Bellamy, Downing which covered most of the gaps but instead of a striker we bought two CM, neither of whom have been spectacular. Plus we got rid of both Aquilani and Meireles our two most creative midfielders
But believe me, 5 players was the minimum being talked about last season, it was that poor. We are a lot better of now even if there are still some major gaps.
Once again we need a CF, RW and a creative midfielder. It's the same positions we've been crying out for for about 10 years now
Arsenal fans kidding themselves that they'd be fine without RVP are the real delusional ones, the man's been irreplaceable last year, you better pray City don't take him.
The difference between Arsenal and Liverpool however is Arsenal have a much stronger midfield who feed somebody to tuck away the chances. Where as Liverpool have Suarez, who has to create his own chances if he wants to score.
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Again not true. Statistically we've created as many, if not more goalscoring opportunites than Arsenal this season. RVP put them away, we don't. Our conversion rate has been very poor. So again, the difference between us and them is RVP.
No, i'm talking about after you signed Enrique, Henderson etc etc. None of your fans would've been thinking there would need to be many more signings to complete the squad or to have them finishing in the top 4 at least. But now after a poor league campaign there are some people who feel they are still 5 or so players short of finishing in the top 4, like RonAlvinho for instance.
Hence why I am asking have the signings moved Liverpool backwards, because looking at their league position it doesn't look like they have moved them forward.
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posted on 2/5/12
Redcon I would agree with Agger, he's a great defender. Suarez can be quality on his day, but for me Gerrard is past it.
So that's 1 solid and 1 if he performs.
posted on 2/5/12
People who don't rate Lucas don't know football.
posted on 2/5/12
People who don't rate Lucas don't know football.
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By the Lucas I was referring to Leiva Lucas comment about Reina Gerrard Suarez and Lucas. Then also Bellamy.
Not Lucas the player. Although I haven't seen enough of him to say he is top quality.
posted on 2/5/12
"I still don't think Arsenal's squad is that strong. Take RVP out of your team and put him in ours and I think our places in the league would be reversed."
talk about delusion
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How is it delusional? RVP has carried your team all season. Without him, you'd be 7th/8th.
posted on 2/5/12
RonAlvinho-10 (U6117)
If you say Suarez can be quality on his day then the same will have to be said for Gerrard.
posted on 2/5/12
Arsenal have had more individual players score than any other club.
The one man team business is bol|ocks.
posted on 2/5/12
Arsenal need Arteta more than Van Persie for me.
Although without Van Persie, you will wonder where do the goals come from
posted on 2/5/12
If you say Suarez can be quality on his day then the same will have to be said for Gerrard.
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Every player can be quality on there day.
Some just do it more often than others. Gerrard hasn't done it consistently for a long time.
posted on 2/5/12
Bellamy has been a limited success though. His age and fitness are holding him back i'm afraid. Plus, Henderson has played too many games to merely call him a replacement for Poulsen as Poulsen never played that many. Henderson has pretty much been a first teamer. As for Carroll, it's hard to spend £35m and say he is one for the future. At that sort of money and considering how short Liverpool are up front then you really can't just say he's one for the future. Or if you do then it reflects very poorly on the manager who bought him.
Agger and Suarez are realistically the only two who would compete to get into the City team, but even then they still wouldn't be assured of a starting place. Although admittedly I haven't watched an awful lot of Lucas in the last year or two. Gerrard is in decline I'm sorry to say.
posted on 2/5/12
correct ronalvinho
posted on 2/5/12
Gerrard's only issue is injuries.
If he can stay relatively fit then he's still one of the top in the league.
RvP has had the same issue his whole career. Except he stayed fit this year.
posted on 2/5/12
I honestly feel if Arsenal are offered a HUGE amount for Van Persie, they should take it.
30-35 mil
posted on 2/5/12
we would i reckon because of his age and injury record
posted on 2/5/12
Aslong as it went straight back into the team though right?
posted on 2/5/12
Ofcourse...im sure the board knows that as well
posted on 2/5/12
Arsenal have scored 68 goals RVP has 28 of them! Take him away and you're left with 40 goals. Thats 2 more than Wolves have managed.
Chamakh couldn't get at least half of that if he ever played, Walcott has 11 and is Gervinho even a striker??
This is obvioulsy a massive assumption as if RVP wasn't there someone half decent would at least be but it puts a huge onus on him to perform. Luckily he has in this case....
posted on 2/5/12
hhmmm probably only spend half of it on a player someone like giroud or huntelaar
posted on 2/5/12
TopGunner if you could sell RVP, buy Huntelaar and still have £15mil or so left that would be incredible business.
Even Holland seem to favour Huntelaar.
posted on 2/5/12
Arsenal have had more individual players score than any other club.
The one man team business is bol|ocks.
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No its not b o llocks. A lot of players have pitched in with one goal or two but that doens't mean you haven't been heavily reliant on RVP.
After RVP you only have one other player who has managed double figures.
After RVP, your next higest scorers in all comps are Walccot (11), Arteta (6), Vermaelen (6), Yossi(4), Gervinho (4) and AOC (4). Thats 35 goals between them.
Suarez is our top scorer and our six scorers behind him are Bellamy (9), Gerrard (9), Carroll (8), Maxi (6), Kuyt (5), Skrtel (4). Thats 40 goals.
The difference between us and you is that you have RVP. Otherwise you'd be in a worse position.
posted on 2/5/12
The difference between us and you is that you have RVP. Otherwise you'd be in a worse position.
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Well no... the difference between "you and us", is we have players like Dextor Blackstock and Andy Reid and we are in the Championship.
The difference between Arsenal and Liverpool however is Arsenal have a much stronger midfield who feed somebody to tuck away the chances. Where as Liverpool have Suarez, who has to create his own chances if he wants to score.
posted on 2/5/12
Well said RonAlvinho.
posted on 2/5/12
But that's the point isn't it though?? You feel Liverpool need to make 5 or 6 top quality signings to break into the top 4. Now I'd be very surprised if you or anyone else thought that last Summer.
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If there was one thing that literally every Liverpool fan agreed on last summer it was that we needed to sign at least 5-6 players just to get a competitive squad again. We needed a LB, CB, RW, LW, CF and maybe another CM and maybe a back up GK.
We signed Enrique, Coates, Bellamy, Downing which covered most of the gaps but instead of a striker we bought two CM, neither of whom have been spectacular. Plus we got rid of both Aquilani and Meireles our two most creative midfielders
But believe me, 5 players was the minimum being talked about last season, it was that poor. We are a lot better of now even if there are still some major gaps.
posted on 2/5/12
Once again we need a CF, RW and a creative midfielder. It's the same positions we've been crying out for for about 10 years now
Arsenal fans kidding themselves that they'd be fine without RVP are the real delusional ones, the man's been irreplaceable last year, you better pray City don't take him.
posted on 2/5/12
The difference between Arsenal and Liverpool however is Arsenal have a much stronger midfield who feed somebody to tuck away the chances. Where as Liverpool have Suarez, who has to create his own chances if he wants to score.
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Again not true. Statistically we've created as many, if not more goalscoring opportunites than Arsenal this season. RVP put them away, we don't. Our conversion rate has been very poor. So again, the difference between us and them is RVP.
posted on 2/5/12
No, i'm talking about after you signed Enrique, Henderson etc etc. None of your fans would've been thinking there would need to be many more signings to complete the squad or to have them finishing in the top 4 at least. But now after a poor league campaign there are some people who feel they are still 5 or so players short of finishing in the top 4, like RonAlvinho for instance.
Hence why I am asking have the signings moved Liverpool backwards, because looking at their league position it doesn't look like they have moved them forward.
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