defense not too convincing.......thoughts
Nothings too convincing atm. Seems that the defence wants to turn this case into a wumfest, a pre-season jolly-up.
comment by Arab Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 5 minutes ago
Arab, can you calrify your question further, is this an off duty copper or an on duty copper, are you expecting me to answer (and if so, why not take a look at my earlier replies on the subject) or is this a hyperthetical question.
CCTV, robbers stuff, I guess you are just exagerating for effect, let's keep this to the case in hand shall we?
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If you don't want to answer the question then just say so. Its easier
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More than happy to, have done all of your questions previously, clarify and I am more than happyy to.
Its the prosecutions job to try and pick holes but so far Terry's stuck to the same story he always has.
Not being funny but i Work in Croydon, used to live in Mitcham, Tooting and Streatham
That's funny because I've lived and worked in these places
then you realise that they are no t funny at all!
lived in mitcham for 17 years!
Yes but how plausible is the story? I have my doubts.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
More than happy to, have done all of your questions previously, clarify and I am more than happyy to.
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Why do YOU think that a crime that is seen on a camera is less worthy of being reported than one seen in the flesh?
The point is Omelette, it remains consistant unlike Ferdinand's that casts further doubt on the prosecutions case.
bluthru
I'm inclined to think Suarez was just ignorant & used a term that(he says) was acceptable in his country
JT on the other hand has got history for various things, & I think they'll be trying to make an example of him
The FA have already stripped him of the England captaincy, & the Prem Lge will want to flex their muscles too
it was of course caught on film too
Sheriff,
your a glass half empty kind of guy arent you.
Cant see how they can say 100% he is guilty, but who knows whats going on in the judges head.
Having said that I was certain old Arry was going to be found guilty when I read the evidence so i do not have a good record at predicting these things
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 10 minutes ago
I don't.
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So how does that tie in with your previous post:
The fact this was done by someone watching from home and has caused this to drag on for so long is ridiculous.
I'm surprised the case has been allowed to carry on to be honest.
I'd say the weakness of the prosecutions case has already shown there is enough reasonable doubt. I suspect there is pressure from media to see this through to the end.
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sheriff,
your a glass half empty kind of guy arent you.
Cant see how they can say 100% he is guilty, but who knows whats going on in the judges head.
Having said that I was certain old Arry was going to be found guilty when I read the evidence so i do not have a good record at predicting these things
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It is often easy to get caught up in how the defendant comes across and whether they seem believable. However, case usually come down to cold hard evidence and there appears to be little concrete against Terry so far. I think it will be a not guilty verdict. I also cant see how this can go on for 5 days. Is there really that much to it?
Agree Elvis. Think we might see a verdict reached early morning tomorrow.
It is your assumption that the guy knows a crime has been comitted.
If you see someone stabbing someone on film you can be sure that a crime has been comitted. Taking a 10 secound snippet of a conversation is stretching it. Expecially given what the lip reading experts have said.
There cant be another 3 days of this .
I will never get any work done.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 29 seconds ago
It is your assumption that the guy knows a crime has been comitted.
If you see someone stabbing someone on film you can be sure that a crime has been comitted. Taking a 10 secound snippet of a conversation is stretching it. Expecially given what the lip reading experts have said.
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It is not my assumption that a crime has been committed - I have used the words suspected crime throughout the thread.
And did you really just compare a film to live football match? Seriously? I think it is you that is stretching it here.
The copper did the right thing by reporting a suspected crime. It is not his job to determine there and then whether the crime actually took place - just to raise the incident so that others can deal with it.
Arab, in relation to the copper you have but when comapring ti to other crimes an off duty policeman should have the duty to report you have not.
By comparing this case to other examples you are over complicating things.
In the case of this copper, I am sure there were many coppers watching, I know my mate was, why only one complaint?
Was our good friend the copper reporting this being overzealous or all those not being negligent?
WW
That's a bit unfair... i'm just being realistic
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 6 seconds ago
Arab, in relation to the copper you have but when comapring ti to other crimes an off duty policeman should have the duty to report you have not.
By comparing this case to other examples you are over complicating things.
In the case of this copper, I am sure there were many coppers watching, I know my mate was, why only one complaint?
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Institutional racism? The fact that he was the only copper to report it does not mean that he was wrong.
How many people actually saw it in real time? How many actually saw it as a result of youtube videos? How many who saw it in real time were coppers? I cant really answer your question without knowing.
The bottom line is you are criticising a copper for reporting what he believed/suspected to be a crime. That is crazy to me.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 6 minutes ago
Was our good friend the copper reporting this being overzealous or all those not being negligent?
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I have no idea how many other coppers spotted it, if any at all. But I don't criticise a copper for reporting what he believed to be racism. I'd certainly put him above other coppers (if there were any) that turned a blind eye to what they suspected to be racism.
I am criticising the copper, not for reporting it, but for making it formal thus denying an investigation by the FA and a chance to resolve this when it happend last year. If the FA found him guilty a case could still have been heard.
The fact he is a copper is to a large degree symantics. Could work in spesavers for all I care but the fact makes it all the more farcical. That is my view, I don't expect you to understand or agree with it any more than I will with yours.
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am criticising the copper, not for reporting it, but for making it formal thus denying an investigation by the FA and a chance to resolve this when it happend last year. If the FA found him guilty a case could still have been heard.
The fact he is a copper is to a large degree symantics. Could work in spesavers for all I care but the fact makes it all the more farcical. That is my view, I don't expect you to understand or agree with it any more than I will with yours.
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So the English justice system goes on hold so that football can have its day first? Really? How is John Terry supposed to get a fair trial if the FA have already found him guilty? I cant honestly believe you just posted that.
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posted on 10/7/12
defense not too convincing.......thoughts
Nothings too convincing atm. Seems that the defence wants to turn this case into a wumfest, a pre-season jolly-up.
posted on 10/7/12
comment by Arab Elvis (U7425)
posted 8 minutes ago
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 5 minutes ago
Arab, can you calrify your question further, is this an off duty copper or an on duty copper, are you expecting me to answer (and if so, why not take a look at my earlier replies on the subject) or is this a hyperthetical question.
CCTV, robbers stuff, I guess you are just exagerating for effect, let's keep this to the case in hand shall we?
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If you don't want to answer the question then just say so. Its easier
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More than happy to, have done all of your questions previously, clarify and I am more than happyy to.
posted on 10/7/12
Its the prosecutions job to try and pick holes but so far Terry's stuck to the same story he always has.
posted on 10/7/12
Not being funny but i Work in Croydon, used to live in Mitcham, Tooting and Streatham
That's funny because I've lived and worked in these places
then you realise that they are no t funny at all!
lived in mitcham for 17 years!
posted on 10/7/12
Yes but how plausible is the story? I have my doubts.
posted on 10/7/12
comment by JFDI (U1657)
More than happy to, have done all of your questions previously, clarify and I am more than happyy to.
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Why do YOU think that a crime that is seen on a camera is less worthy of being reported than one seen in the flesh?
posted on 10/7/12
true<.laugh>
posted on 10/7/12
I don't.
posted on 10/7/12
The point is Omelette, it remains consistant unlike Ferdinand's that casts further doubt on the prosecutions case.
posted on 10/7/12
bluthru
I'm inclined to think Suarez was just ignorant & used a term that(he says) was acceptable in his country
JT on the other hand has got history for various things, & I think they'll be trying to make an example of him
The FA have already stripped him of the England captaincy, & the Prem Lge will want to flex their muscles too
it was of course caught on film too
posted on 10/7/12
Sheriff,
your a glass half empty kind of guy arent you.
Cant see how they can say 100% he is guilty, but who knows whats going on in the judges head.
Having said that I was certain old Arry was going to be found guilty when I read the evidence so i do not have a good record at predicting these things
posted on 10/7/12
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 10 minutes ago
I don't.
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So how does that tie in with your previous post:
The fact this was done by someone watching from home and has caused this to drag on for so long is ridiculous.
posted on 10/7/12
I'm surprised the case has been allowed to carry on to be honest.
I'd say the weakness of the prosecutions case has already shown there is enough reasonable doubt. I suspect there is pressure from media to see this through to the end.
posted on 10/7/12
comment by White Wall (U1078)
posted 3 minutes ago
Sheriff,
your a glass half empty kind of guy arent you.
Cant see how they can say 100% he is guilty, but who knows whats going on in the judges head.
Having said that I was certain old Arry was going to be found guilty when I read the evidence so i do not have a good record at predicting these things
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It is often easy to get caught up in how the defendant comes across and whether they seem believable. However, case usually come down to cold hard evidence and there appears to be little concrete against Terry so far. I think it will be a not guilty verdict. I also cant see how this can go on for 5 days. Is there really that much to it?
posted on 10/7/12
Agree Elvis. Think we might see a verdict reached early morning tomorrow.
posted on 10/7/12
It is your assumption that the guy knows a crime has been comitted.
If you see someone stabbing someone on film you can be sure that a crime has been comitted. Taking a 10 secound snippet of a conversation is stretching it. Expecially given what the lip reading experts have said.
posted on 10/7/12
There cant be another 3 days of this .
I will never get any work done.
posted on 10/7/12
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 29 seconds ago
It is your assumption that the guy knows a crime has been comitted.
If you see someone stabbing someone on film you can be sure that a crime has been comitted. Taking a 10 secound snippet of a conversation is stretching it. Expecially given what the lip reading experts have said.
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It is not my assumption that a crime has been committed - I have used the words suspected crime throughout the thread.
And did you really just compare a film to live football match? Seriously? I think it is you that is stretching it here.
The copper did the right thing by reporting a suspected crime. It is not his job to determine there and then whether the crime actually took place - just to raise the incident so that others can deal with it.
posted on 10/7/12
Arab, in relation to the copper you have but when comapring ti to other crimes an off duty policeman should have the duty to report you have not.
By comparing this case to other examples you are over complicating things.
In the case of this copper, I am sure there were many coppers watching, I know my mate was, why only one complaint?
posted on 10/7/12
Was our good friend the copper reporting this being overzealous or all those not being negligent?
posted on 10/7/12
WW
That's a bit unfair... i'm just being realistic
posted on 10/7/12
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 6 seconds ago
Arab, in relation to the copper you have but when comapring ti to other crimes an off duty policeman should have the duty to report you have not.
By comparing this case to other examples you are over complicating things.
In the case of this copper, I am sure there were many coppers watching, I know my mate was, why only one complaint?
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Institutional racism? The fact that he was the only copper to report it does not mean that he was wrong.
How many people actually saw it in real time? How many actually saw it as a result of youtube videos? How many who saw it in real time were coppers? I cant really answer your question without knowing.
The bottom line is you are criticising a copper for reporting what he believed/suspected to be a crime. That is crazy to me.
posted on 10/7/12
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 6 minutes ago
Was our good friend the copper reporting this being overzealous or all those not being negligent?
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I have no idea how many other coppers spotted it, if any at all. But I don't criticise a copper for reporting what he believed to be racism. I'd certainly put him above other coppers (if there were any) that turned a blind eye to what they suspected to be racism.
posted on 10/7/12
I am criticising the copper, not for reporting it, but for making it formal thus denying an investigation by the FA and a chance to resolve this when it happend last year. If the FA found him guilty a case could still have been heard.
The fact he is a copper is to a large degree symantics. Could work in spesavers for all I care but the fact makes it all the more farcical. That is my view, I don't expect you to understand or agree with it any more than I will with yours.
posted on 10/7/12
comment by JFDI (U1657)
posted 2 minutes ago
I am criticising the copper, not for reporting it, but for making it formal thus denying an investigation by the FA and a chance to resolve this when it happend last year. If the FA found him guilty a case could still have been heard.
The fact he is a copper is to a large degree symantics. Could work in spesavers for all I care but the fact makes it all the more farcical. That is my view, I don't expect you to understand or agree with it any more than I will with yours.
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So the English justice system goes on hold so that football can have its day first? Really? How is John Terry supposed to get a fair trial if the FA have already found him guilty? I cant honestly believe you just posted that.
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