Billy Nicholson took Spurs from the bottom of the table to the double in two years.
Bill Shanks took Liverpool from the second division to the title within two years.
Brian Clough took a provincial team from the second division to winning the European Cup within 3 years.
These are the sort of managers that should be classed as the best managers of all time. Not managers that have spent the most to win trophies.
comment by Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 19 seconds ago
SAF is RUBBISH IN EUROPE!!!!
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Two cup winners cups two CL.
There are not many more managers out there who have won more than four trophies in Europe, and fifteen domestic titles.
Anfield of dreams
So Paisley won 3 European cups in 9 years, thats 33.3% right? Pep is 2 in 4 years, thats 50% so does that mean Pep > Paisley? no it doesnt.
SAF is a great great manager and I have the upmost respect for what he has done and achieved in the game. He is not quite the greatest because while he has dominated on the domestic front he has failed to build a team that has consistenty dominated Europe like Super Bob Paisley did.
It is the main reason (in my opinion) why Bob Paisley was the greatest and will remain the greatest of all time.
There's an argument that the old European days is very different to the modern Champions League, no one has defended the CL in its era and that includes the other great managers like Mourinho and Pep. Where as with the EC, teams like Madrid won it 5 times in a row.
Billy Nicholson took Spurs from the bottom of the table to the double in two years.
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In 1989 United nearly got relegated. By 1993 Fergie had won the FA Cup, ECWC, and the PL.
These are the sort of managers that should be classed as the best managers of all time. Not managers that have spent the most to win trophies.
And they all did this without spending a penny at all?
Alex Ferguson broke how many transfer records to win his first title?
how many out of this lot broke transfer records?
Steve Bruce
Gary Pallister
Brian McClair
Mark Hughes
Denis Irwin
Peter Schmeichel
Paul Ince
Ryan Giggs
Paul Parker
Andrei Kanchelskis
Lee Sharpe
Eric Cantona
Clayton Blackmore
Bryan Robson
Darren Ferguson
Mike Phelan
Dion Dublin
Danny Wallace
Neil Webb
Lee Martin
Gary Walsh
Keith Gillespie
David Beckham
Nicky Butt
Gary Neville
Everyone spends money, that doesnt matter. Chelsea spent over 500m and only won the CL this season, So even spending money has no bearing on how good a manager is. Even some hypocritical Utd fans that only go on about City spending cannot deny Mancini is a good manager.
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They way Mancini handled Tevez was laughable.
Id say bringing back Tevez swung the title to Citys favour.
Has to be Clough for me for what he did at two unfashionable clubs especially Forest, never be repeated that. Some achievment.
Pains me to say it though after he dumped us out of the European Cup in 79 as holders, still hurts that.
comment by Frankie Lampards Dietician (U13688)
posted 1 minute ago
Id say bringing back Tevez swung the title to Citys favour.
..........................
That and SAF messing it up for once.
Cup Winners Cup doesnt even exist anymore
I don't think Fergies European record is as bad as many make out. He has been to 4 finals, winning two, only coming second to the best footballing side of their generation. You have to take into account how difficult the foreigner rule made Europe early on, not many teams walk into Europe and win it without recent experience either.
Jock Stein was a great manager, as were Shankly, Paisley, Clough and many others.
I am probably bias but I think the fact Fergy has won things consistently for so long would make him the best, the legacy he will leave will be like no other.
3 champions league final appearances in 25 years at the worlds richest club is laughable
Rafa Benitez - 1 champions league in 6 years
Alex Ferguson - 2 champions leagues in 25 yrs
Why ???
3 champions league final appearances in 25 years at the worlds richest club is laughable
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well it ain't 25 years is it considering english clubs were banned for 5 years....:p
Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 36 seconds ago
Rafa Benitez - 1 champions league in 6 years
Alex Ferguson - 2 champions leagues in 25 yrs
Why ???
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But he didn't win a league title.
3 champions league final appearances in 25 years at the worlds richest club is laughable
It was 4 you donkey.
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 1 minute ago
Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 36 seconds ago
Rafa Benitez - 1 champions league in 6 years
Alex Ferguson - 2 champions leagues in 25 yrs
Why ???
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But he didn't win a league title.
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irrlevant...the point is asking why Fergie hadnt got more in such a time scale
Not forgetting the treble season.
darron gibson................ 1 league title
stevie me .......................0 league titles
why????
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posted on 11/7/12
Billy Nicholson took Spurs from the bottom of the table to the double in two years.
Bill Shanks took Liverpool from the second division to the title within two years.
Brian Clough took a provincial team from the second division to winning the European Cup within 3 years.
These are the sort of managers that should be classed as the best managers of all time. Not managers that have spent the most to win trophies.
posted on 11/7/12
Marcello Lippi
posted on 11/7/12
comment by Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 19 seconds ago
SAF is RUBBISH IN EUROPE!!!!
...............
Two cup winners cups two CL.
There are not many more managers out there who have won more than four trophies in Europe, and fifteen domestic titles.
posted on 11/7/12
Anfield of dreams
So Paisley won 3 European cups in 9 years, thats 33.3% right? Pep is 2 in 4 years, thats 50% so does that mean Pep > Paisley? no it doesnt.
posted on 11/7/12
SAF is a great great manager and I have the upmost respect for what he has done and achieved in the game. He is not quite the greatest because while he has dominated on the domestic front he has failed to build a team that has consistenty dominated Europe like Super Bob Paisley did.
It is the main reason (in my opinion) why Bob Paisley was the greatest and will remain the greatest of all time.
posted on 11/7/12
There's an argument that the old European days is very different to the modern Champions League, no one has defended the CL in its era and that includes the other great managers like Mourinho and Pep. Where as with the EC, teams like Madrid won it 5 times in a row.
posted on 11/7/12
Billy Nicholson took Spurs from the bottom of the table to the double in two years.
***
In 1989 United nearly got relegated. By 1993 Fergie had won the FA Cup, ECWC, and the PL.
posted on 11/7/12
These are the sort of managers that should be classed as the best managers of all time. Not managers that have spent the most to win trophies.
And they all did this without spending a penny at all?
posted on 11/7/12
Alex Ferguson broke how many transfer records to win his first title?
how many out of this lot broke transfer records?
Steve Bruce
Gary Pallister
Brian McClair
Mark Hughes
Denis Irwin
Peter Schmeichel
Paul Ince
Ryan Giggs
Paul Parker
Andrei Kanchelskis
Lee Sharpe
Eric Cantona
Clayton Blackmore
Bryan Robson
Darren Ferguson
Mike Phelan
Dion Dublin
Danny Wallace
Neil Webb
Lee Martin
Gary Walsh
Keith Gillespie
David Beckham
Nicky Butt
Gary Neville
posted on 11/7/12
Everyone spends money, that doesnt matter. Chelsea spent over 500m and only won the CL this season, So even spending money has no bearing on how good a manager is. Even some hypocritical Utd fans that only go on about City spending cannot deny Mancini is a good manager.
posted on 11/7/12
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posted on 11/7/12
They way Mancini handled Tevez was laughable.
posted on 11/7/12
Id say bringing back Tevez swung the title to Citys favour.
posted on 11/7/12
Has to be Clough for me for what he did at two unfashionable clubs especially Forest, never be repeated that. Some achievment.
Pains me to say it though after he dumped us out of the European Cup in 79 as holders, still hurts that.
posted on 11/7/12
comment by Frankie Lampards Dietician (U13688)
posted 1 minute ago
Id say bringing back Tevez swung the title to Citys favour.
..........................
That and SAF messing it up for once.
posted on 11/7/12
Cup Winners Cup doesnt even exist anymore
posted on 11/7/12
I don't think Fergies European record is as bad as many make out. He has been to 4 finals, winning two, only coming second to the best footballing side of their generation. You have to take into account how difficult the foreigner rule made Europe early on, not many teams walk into Europe and win it without recent experience either.
Jock Stein was a great manager, as were Shankly, Paisley, Clough and many others.
I am probably bias but I think the fact Fergy has won things consistently for so long would make him the best, the legacy he will leave will be like no other.
posted on 11/7/12
3 champions league final appearances in 25 years at the worlds richest club is laughable
posted on 11/7/12
Rafa Benitez - 1 champions league in 6 years
Alex Ferguson - 2 champions leagues in 25 yrs
Why ???
posted on 11/7/12
3 champions league final appearances in 25 years at the worlds richest club is laughable
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well it ain't 25 years is it considering english clubs were banned for 5 years....:p
posted on 11/7/12
Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 36 seconds ago
Rafa Benitez - 1 champions league in 6 years
Alex Ferguson - 2 champions leagues in 25 yrs
Why ???
_________________________________________
But he didn't win a league title.
posted on 11/7/12
3 champions league final appearances in 25 years at the worlds richest club is laughable
It was 4 you donkey.
posted on 11/7/12
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 1 minute ago
Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 36 seconds ago
Rafa Benitez - 1 champions league in 6 years
Alex Ferguson - 2 champions leagues in 25 yrs
Why ???
_________________________________________
But he didn't win a league title.
======================
irrlevant...the point is asking why Fergie hadnt got more in such a time scale
posted on 11/7/12
Not forgetting the treble season.
posted on 11/7/12
darron gibson................ 1 league title
stevie me .......................0 league titles
why????
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