comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
darron gibson................ 1 league title
stevie me .......................0 league titles
why????
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because Liverpool havnt been very good have they?
irrlevant...the point is asking why Fergie hadnt got more in such a time scale
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It is hard to win Europe, nobody has ever won the competition in this format twice in a row, it is a cup competition which makes it a bit of a lottery, we have consistently done pretty well in Europe for a long time.
Like I said, not many teams go into Europe and start winning the competition, he had to build a team capable from scratch.
Mourinho won a treble! he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur with less years and different teams!!!
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
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Those who doubt Ferguson would do well to remember past history. Few expected him to win nine major trophies with Aberdeen or to end Liverpool's dominance of English football. There were also times when he looked likely to be submerged by the brilliant teams of Wenger at Arsenal and then Jose Mourinho at Chelsea. He always found the right answer.
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That's just a little taste of this article, pretty good read I thought;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/jeremywilson/100021175/why-mancheser-uniteds-sir-alex-ferguson-deserves-to-be-recognised-as-footballs-greatest-ever-manager/
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 22 seconds ago
irrlevant...the point is asking why Fergie hadnt got more in such a time scale
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It is hard to win Europe, nobody has ever won the competition in this format twice in a row, it is a cup competition which makes it a bit of a lottery, we have consistently done pretty well in Europe for a long time.
Like I said, not many teams go into Europe and start winning the competition, he had to build a team capable from scratch.
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so did Rafa and he got to 2 champions league finals in 6 years...thats not luck either!!
comment by Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 1 minute ago
Mourinho won a treble! he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur with less years and different teams!!!
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
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Just about the most bitter and twisted comment iv'e ever seen on this forum
Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 38 seconds ago
Mourinho won a treble! he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur with less years and different teams!!!
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
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Like I said it is Fergy's longevity which, in my opinion is the difference. If Jose stays a club for 10 years and continues is such fashion, he will have an incredible record.
I meant an English treble. Hasn't Jose won one at Porto as well as Inter?
he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur
***
Is Slur Fergie? Hilarious that.
there is no such thing as best for this. Too subjective.
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
This is why people like you don't know football and should stick to watching wrestling
redconn > (U5676)
posted 1 minute ago
there is no such thing as best for this. Too subjective.
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Not read all the comments;
Tricky one really as football has changed so much.
Mr AF has a brilliant record and if he won another CL it would be hard to argue against. Many believe, however, that to be considered truly great he should have gone and done it abroad. Not sure how I feel about that as I think that creating new teams, as he has, is something to be admired.
You then have his modern equivalent in Mourinho who again has a brilliant record. Many, and I include myself in this, believe that he picks his jobs well, spends an awful lots of money on mature players and then jumps ship. He does win though.
I was born in 79 so it's hard to compare with earlier managers.
"Collectively, Shankly and Paisley were at Liverpool for 24 years. In that time, they won three European Cups, nine domestic titles, two Uefa Cups, two FA Cups and three league cups.
By comparison, Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for 25 years. In that time, he’s won two Champions Leagues, 12 domestic titles, a Cup Winners Cup, five FA Cups and four league cups. If anything, it illustrates the astonishing breadth of Ferguson’s career."
Ferguson
There's holes and what ifs in everyones resume... But Fergie is right up there no arguments. To be at the top of the game for 30 something years and evolve with the times as he is exceptional.
Similarly what Bob did for us in the manner he did it was a huge feat.
I still stick by Clough though despite him costing us at least one more European Cup! All opinion of course...
Paisley done fantastic but he took over a well oiled machine in liverpool as opposed to fergie who had to totally rebuild united from the foundations up hence creating a dynasty.
Anfield of Dreams
If you keeping talking about cups won over a period of time, Here's another take on it.
Collectively, Shankly and Paisley were at Liverpool for 24 years. In that time, they won three European Cups, nine domestic titles, two Uefa Cups, two FA Cups and three league cups.
By comparison, Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for 25 years. In that time, he’s won two Champions Leagues, 12 domestic titles, a Cup Winners Cup, five FA Cups and four league cups.
Better than both of them put together
There's always the finances and history of a club that the manager gets the use of to consider.
It's certainly not a level playing field in that regard.
That's why Big Sam says he could win La Liga with Barca or Reals side
redconn
The question the op asked was,Who is the greatest manager of all time, not who has spent the most money
Generally speaking those two questions yield roughly the same answer give or take a place or two
Unless you want to start talking about Busby & Shanks
Ahhh one of my favourite questions this.
I'm not going to be biased or bitter. I'm going to tellit like it is.
Firstly, in the modern era, it is far easier to remain competitive (at the top) due to the huge financial gaps between the top clubs and pretty much everyone else.
That's exactly why the same old names have been dominating leagues for 20 years. The only teams to have entered the picture are Chelsea and City and we all know why.
The game has monopolised to such an extreme that United will likely be challenging for honours for the remainder of our lives.
But lets wind the clock back about 35 years. This was a time when yes, there were richer clubs but the kind of rich that squashes your competitiors. Most teams signed one player a year.
Liverpool used to build teams out of lads from the British Isles. We didn't scour the globe for the best south americans or best french martial artist - no, it was pure management that got Liverpool to not only conquer its own shores but more importantly, Europe too.
For a club like Liverpool to come up from the second division and conquer football like we did in an age when money was nothing but a footnote.
Yes, Ferguson has worked wonders - but lets not forget that Fergusons title win ratio is less than 50%.
Lets not forget that the united fans still use the myth that United were poor prior to Ferguson taking over. For those of you who have done any research you may have found that in the 4 years before his reign United were finishing in the top 4 for the previous 4 seasons.
Lets not forget that Ferguson manages the richest club in the world alongside Real Madrid andp has done so for many years.
Lets not forget that for all the years at the club he still has yet to dominate Europe. Guardiola has shown that it can be done in the current era.
Ferguson is up there but nobody tops Bob Paisleys achievements in terms of the era and in terms of the timeframe in which he achieved it.
Bob Paisley was an ordinary man amId extraordinary achievements.
Regards
The Great and Always on Hand to Land the Knockout Blow in the Thread.... Metropolis
but nobody tops Bob Paisleys achievements in terms of the era and in terms of the timeframe in which he achieved it.
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Pep already has.
... And that ladies in gentlemen is how you take the previous 97 comments, roll them up in a ball and launch them into the oblivion.
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posted on 11/7/12
comment by Earl Brutus (U1449)
posted 1 minute ago
darron gibson................ 1 league title
stevie me .......................0 league titles
why????
=================
because Liverpool havnt been very good have they?
posted on 11/7/12
irrlevant...the point is asking why Fergie hadnt got more in such a time scale
_____________________________________
It is hard to win Europe, nobody has ever won the competition in this format twice in a row, it is a cup competition which makes it a bit of a lottery, we have consistently done pretty well in Europe for a long time.
Like I said, not many teams go into Europe and start winning the competition, he had to build a team capable from scratch.
posted on 11/7/12
Mourinho won a treble! he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur with less years and different teams!!!
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
posted on 11/7/12
Comment deleted by Site Moderator
posted on 11/7/12
Those who doubt Ferguson would do well to remember past history. Few expected him to win nine major trophies with Aberdeen or to end Liverpool's dominance of English football. There were also times when he looked likely to be submerged by the brilliant teams of Wenger at Arsenal and then Jose Mourinho at Chelsea. He always found the right answer.
**********
That's just a little taste of this article, pretty good read I thought;
http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/sport/jeremywilson/100021175/why-mancheser-uniteds-sir-alex-ferguson-deserves-to-be-recognised-as-footballs-greatest-ever-manager/
posted on 11/7/12
comment by BusbysBabes (U9083)
posted 22 seconds ago
irrlevant...the point is asking why Fergie hadnt got more in such a time scale
_____________________________________
It is hard to win Europe, nobody has ever won the competition in this format twice in a row, it is a cup competition which makes it a bit of a lottery, we have consistently done pretty well in Europe for a long time.
Like I said, not many teams go into Europe and start winning the competition, he had to build a team capable from scratch.
===================
so did Rafa and he got to 2 champions league finals in 6 years...thats not luck either!!
posted on 11/7/12
comment by Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 1 minute ago
Mourinho won a treble! he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur with less years and different teams!!!
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
===================================
Just about the most bitter and twisted comment iv'e ever seen on this forum
posted on 11/7/12
Anfield of Dreams (Mancs go back to your own board) (U6971)
posted 38 seconds ago
Mourinho won a treble! he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur with less years and different teams!!!
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
______________________________________
Like I said it is Fergy's longevity which, in my opinion is the difference. If Jose stays a club for 10 years and continues is such fashion, he will have an incredible record.
I meant an English treble. Hasn't Jose won one at Porto as well as Inter?
posted on 11/7/12
he also won the Champions league the same amount of times as Slur
***
Is Slur Fergie? Hilarious that.
posted on 11/7/12
there is no such thing as best for this. Too subjective.
posted on 11/7/12
not a hope is Alex the greatest...hes not even top 4/5
This is why people like you don't know football and should stick to watching wrestling
posted on 11/7/12
redconn > (U5676)
posted 1 minute ago
there is no such thing as best for this. Too subjective.
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posted on 11/7/12
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posted on 11/7/12
Not read all the comments;
Tricky one really as football has changed so much.
Mr AF has a brilliant record and if he won another CL it would be hard to argue against. Many believe, however, that to be considered truly great he should have gone and done it abroad. Not sure how I feel about that as I think that creating new teams, as he has, is something to be admired.
You then have his modern equivalent in Mourinho who again has a brilliant record. Many, and I include myself in this, believe that he picks his jobs well, spends an awful lots of money on mature players and then jumps ship. He does win though.
I was born in 79 so it's hard to compare with earlier managers.
posted on 11/7/12
"Collectively, Shankly and Paisley were at Liverpool for 24 years. In that time, they won three European Cups, nine domestic titles, two Uefa Cups, two FA Cups and three league cups.
By comparison, Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for 25 years. In that time, he’s won two Champions Leagues, 12 domestic titles, a Cup Winners Cup, five FA Cups and four league cups. If anything, it illustrates the astonishing breadth of Ferguson’s career."
Ferguson
posted on 11/7/12
There's holes and what ifs in everyones resume... But Fergie is right up there no arguments. To be at the top of the game for 30 something years and evolve with the times as he is exceptional.
Similarly what Bob did for us in the manner he did it was a huge feat.
I still stick by Clough though despite him costing us at least one more European Cup! All opinion of course...
posted on 11/7/12
Paisley hands down.
posted on 11/7/12
Paisley done fantastic but he took over a well oiled machine in liverpool as opposed to fergie who had to totally rebuild united from the foundations up hence creating a dynasty.
posted on 11/7/12
Anfield of Dreams
If you keeping talking about cups won over a period of time, Here's another take on it.
Collectively, Shankly and Paisley were at Liverpool for 24 years. In that time, they won three European Cups, nine domestic titles, two Uefa Cups, two FA Cups and three league cups.
By comparison, Ferguson has been at Old Trafford for 25 years. In that time, he’s won two Champions Leagues, 12 domestic titles, a Cup Winners Cup, five FA Cups and four league cups.
Better than both of them put together
posted on 11/7/12
There's always the finances and history of a club that the manager gets the use of to consider.
It's certainly not a level playing field in that regard.
That's why Big Sam says he could win La Liga with Barca or Reals side
posted on 11/7/12
redconn
The question the op asked was,Who is the greatest manager of all time, not who has spent the most money
posted on 11/7/12
Generally speaking those two questions yield roughly the same answer give or take a place or two
Unless you want to start talking about Busby & Shanks
posted on 11/7/12
Ahhh one of my favourite questions this.
I'm not going to be biased or bitter. I'm going to tellit like it is.
Firstly, in the modern era, it is far easier to remain competitive (at the top) due to the huge financial gaps between the top clubs and pretty much everyone else.
That's exactly why the same old names have been dominating leagues for 20 years. The only teams to have entered the picture are Chelsea and City and we all know why.
The game has monopolised to such an extreme that United will likely be challenging for honours for the remainder of our lives.
But lets wind the clock back about 35 years. This was a time when yes, there were richer clubs but the kind of rich that squashes your competitiors. Most teams signed one player a year.
Liverpool used to build teams out of lads from the British Isles. We didn't scour the globe for the best south americans or best french martial artist - no, it was pure management that got Liverpool to not only conquer its own shores but more importantly, Europe too.
For a club like Liverpool to come up from the second division and conquer football like we did in an age when money was nothing but a footnote.
Yes, Ferguson has worked wonders - but lets not forget that Fergusons title win ratio is less than 50%.
Lets not forget that the united fans still use the myth that United were poor prior to Ferguson taking over. For those of you who have done any research you may have found that in the 4 years before his reign United were finishing in the top 4 for the previous 4 seasons.
Lets not forget that Ferguson manages the richest club in the world alongside Real Madrid andp has done so for many years.
Lets not forget that for all the years at the club he still has yet to dominate Europe. Guardiola has shown that it can be done in the current era.
Ferguson is up there but nobody tops Bob Paisleys achievements in terms of the era and in terms of the timeframe in which he achieved it.
Bob Paisley was an ordinary man amId extraordinary achievements.
Regards
The Great and Always on Hand to Land the Knockout Blow in the Thread.... Metropolis
posted on 11/7/12
but nobody tops Bob Paisleys achievements in terms of the era and in terms of the timeframe in which he achieved it.
............................
Pep already has.
posted on 11/7/12
... And that ladies in gentlemen is how you take the previous 97 comments, roll them up in a ball and launch them into the oblivion.
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