"It's a factual appraisal whether you accept it or not."
Except that it isn't. Unles factual actually means "retar*ed"
I don't think it's about the money. He's still a and a liar though.
I imagine that he wants to play and win trophies
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Now now Robbin, such silly talk. It's all about the money and you know it. If every player were to demand a move because they wanted success, well then Liverpool wouldn't have a squad.
I can't imagine them all leaving, no one would want adam and downing?
adam and downing would be the new gillett and hicks
Cereal Spiller - apparently Chamakh's goal bonus is stored in a piggy bank (U12126)
Which part is wrong?
Serial;
No not really. I'm pretty sure if we have not won anything by the time Suarez is 28, for example, despite him getting paid more than RvP he'll be off. He'll want to win things.
I understand that it helps your pride to think he is a money grabber but the reality is that you've won feck all for years and in truth that does not look like changing. Certainly in the league or CL.
Quite an odd stance Robbing, you're saying he want to leave to win trophies, but he's not good enough to go to a team that won a trophy last year.
Very strange logic.
Sorry but no. You'll get nowhere near the league and I literally don't know anyone that does. Seeing as Utd clocked up 89 points and are ALWAYS there or there abouts surely he just wants to win things. You then have the CL which Utd have featured in the final regularly and Arsenal have never ever won.
Spains reserve winger, a German reject and the French Grant Holt ain't going to change that surely?
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I didn't say we'll win the league. However, if RVP stays then I don't think United will either. I have a lot of respect for United and it pains me when fellow gooners say how United are going backwards, but I genuinely don't think you'll win a major title this season. FA Cup maybe, but that's not what appeases players.
If van Persie wanted to win things, he could easily go to Barcelona as a back up, but he'd have the wages of a back up offered by a club who don't have huge amounts of cash. However, he'd rather go to United, City or Juventus. Funny that. City were his first choice but have pulled out of the race, Juventus were next but are no longer a viable option for obvious reasons and that leaves just you.
Feel free to say I'm wrong, but the fact is that you're relying on past glories in an attempt to say your club will win something. If I say you won nothing and went out at the group stage of the CL last season, that's essentially the same thing as your doing by saying "we're always there or thereabouts."
Ultimately, Man City, Barcelona, Chelsea, Real Madrid and PSG are all stronger than United on paper this season. Sure, not all of them will succeed, but United have no more chance of winning the CL than Arsenal this season.
Of course Fergie gets his players to play at 110%, but even that may not be enough.
As for your comments on our signings, I sincerely hope they're tongue in cheek otherwise I'm worried about you.
comment by Donald Vito (U4098) posted 5 minutes ago
Why would he go to the second team in Manchester to do that?
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Because more often than not they win a trophy every year. They simply do. You don't.
"Which part is wrong?"
Which part is right? German reject? French Grant Holt? please explain your logic behind each of these phrases completely, using examples, since they are "factual" of course
City were his first choice but have pulled out of the race
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Really?
RVP said last season that he could never picture leaving Arsenal if a bigger club came in because he felt if he won a trophy with them it wouldn't feel right. He said that he would only consider his career a success if he won trophies at the club that he has put so much effort into and not a club that he would simply become an addition to.
That isn't my gripe with him though. My gripe is that he claims to love Arsenal and the club. If he REALLY loved Arsenal then he would not join United. He knows the history between the clubs. Arsenal players should not join United and vice versa. Look at the treatment Owen received from Scousers for going to United (even though he didn't move directly to them). Look at how Fergie blocked Heinze's move to Anfield even though they had triggered his release clause. And it isn't as if the clubs are competing with one another, they are just historical rivals. So why should Arsenal treat this situation different and why should we believe RVP loves the club like he claims to when he is going to our biggest, most hated rivals in PL history?
If he leaves then I do honestly believe it won't be about the money, and that he feels that he has a better chance of success at United which he is fully entitled to. But it doesn't take away the fact that he is a liar, he lied to the fans and he lied to himself. All facts.
Really?
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Come on Rooney, please don't say you believe all that agent stuff about preferring United which conveniently came around a day after City very publicly ended their interest?
If RVP does leave then it will be about money and a better chance of winning trophies. Same with most footballers.
Because more often than not they win a trophy every year. They simply do. You don't.
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But that still doesn't make sense, because City are the team most likely to win trophies at the moment.
So if his rationale is, I am good enough to play for a trophy winning side therefore I don't belong here, why wouldn't he simply pick the one with the best chance of it?
Are you saying he's not good enough?
If RVP does leave then it will be about money and a better chance of winning trophies. Same with most footballers.
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Really?
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Come on Rooney, please don't say you believe all that agent stuff about preferring United which conveniently came around a day after City very publicly ended their interest?
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But you believe he wanted City with no evidence atall?
I understand that it helps your pride to think he is a money grabber but the reality is that you've won feck all for years and in truth that does not look like changing.
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Robbin, i appreciate your concern for our beloved captain, but you must get your facts right before starting a WUM attempt.
You see, when Robin Van Persie signed his last contract, we were also trophyless for a few years and he was injured. In fact, he was on the verge of being sold by Wenger, due to his injury problems.
However, for some reason or another, Wenger, being the trusting fellow he is, decided to hand Persie a contract extension, of which Robin gladly signed.
Role on a few years, Robin has a great season behind him and still hasn't won anything. The only difference is that he's not injured and in a good position to get the best possible deal from any club.
I Robin Van Persie was injured tomorrow, with a serious problem, do you think will bid £20m for him or any other club? Do you think Persie will still play the "ambitions" card?
Donald Vito (U4098)
As said. It's very very rare that they don't and surely him joining would have most likely yielded 1 more point.
Bestie;
Good post
However;
"Ultimately, Man City, Barcelona, Chelsea, Real Madrid and PSG are all stronger than United on paper this season. Sure, not all of them will succeed, but United have no more chance of winning the CL than Arsenal this season. "
I've lost count of the times Man Utd have been greater than the sum of their parts. It makes me sick. However if you think Utd have no more chance of winning the CL, with the greatest respect, you're deluded.
Serial;
It's not the only difference though is it. You sold Fabregas and Nasri and both have won major trophies since.
So Robbing, what you're saying is, he's good enough for United, but not good enough for City?
comment by Donald Vito (U4098)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because more often than not they win a trophy every year. They simply do. You don't.
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But that still doesn't make sense, because City are the team most likely to win trophies at the moment.
So if his rationale is, I am good enough to play for a trophy winning side therefore I don't belong here, why wouldn't he simply pick the one with the best chance of it?
Are you saying he's not good enough?
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He has less competition at United so is likely to get more games. City's strikers are simply better than ours.
"I've lost count of the times Man Utd have been greater than the sum of their parts. It makes me sick."
That I agree with. They always pull through even though the team sometimes doesn't look too strong. However, we need to see how our teams perform in the coming season rather than just look at history.
RVP is a , not because he wants to leave but because:
1) He wants to join United
2) He declared his intentions in a totally hypocritical and classless way
3)He wants to join United
This is based on what we are reading. If on the off chance that his interest in United is declared to be false, I will gladly change my opinion
It's not the only difference though is it. You sold Fabregas and Nasri and both have won major trophies since.
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That's kinda what you expect when you spend £500m on one and move to the best team in the world on the other.
comment by Bestie - Your Cesc Is On Fire (U1113)
posted 4 minutes ago
Really?
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Come on Rooney, please don't say you believe all that agent stuff about preferring United which conveniently came around a day after City very publicly ended their interest?
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But did they end their interest before or after they became aware of where RVP wanted to go. From Mancini's quotes, it appears to me that he would be interested in RVP, but that he knows that the player wants to go to United. Someone at Juve has made similar noises haven't they?
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posted on 14/8/12
"It's a factual appraisal whether you accept it or not."
Except that it isn't. Unles factual actually means "retar*ed"
posted on 14/8/12
I don't think it's about the money. He's still a and a liar though.
posted on 14/8/12
I imagine that he wants to play and win trophies
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Now now Robbin, such silly talk. It's all about the money and you know it. If every player were to demand a move because they wanted success, well then Liverpool wouldn't have a squad.
posted on 14/8/12
I can't imagine them all leaving, no one would want adam and downing?
posted on 14/8/12
adam and downing would be the new gillett and hicks
posted on 14/8/12
Cereal Spiller - apparently Chamakh's goal bonus is stored in a piggy bank (U12126)
Which part is wrong?
Serial;
No not really. I'm pretty sure if we have not won anything by the time Suarez is 28, for example, despite him getting paid more than RvP he'll be off. He'll want to win things.
I understand that it helps your pride to think he is a money grabber but the reality is that you've won feck all for years and in truth that does not look like changing. Certainly in the league or CL.
posted on 14/8/12
Quite an odd stance Robbing, you're saying he want to leave to win trophies, but he's not good enough to go to a team that won a trophy last year.
Very strange logic.
posted on 14/8/12
Sorry but no. You'll get nowhere near the league and I literally don't know anyone that does. Seeing as Utd clocked up 89 points and are ALWAYS there or there abouts surely he just wants to win things. You then have the CL which Utd have featured in the final regularly and Arsenal have never ever won.
Spains reserve winger, a German reject and the French Grant Holt ain't going to change that surely?
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I didn't say we'll win the league. However, if RVP stays then I don't think United will either. I have a lot of respect for United and it pains me when fellow gooners say how United are going backwards, but I genuinely don't think you'll win a major title this season. FA Cup maybe, but that's not what appeases players.
If van Persie wanted to win things, he could easily go to Barcelona as a back up, but he'd have the wages of a back up offered by a club who don't have huge amounts of cash. However, he'd rather go to United, City or Juventus. Funny that. City were his first choice but have pulled out of the race, Juventus were next but are no longer a viable option for obvious reasons and that leaves just you.
Feel free to say I'm wrong, but the fact is that you're relying on past glories in an attempt to say your club will win something. If I say you won nothing and went out at the group stage of the CL last season, that's essentially the same thing as your doing by saying "we're always there or thereabouts."
Ultimately, Man City, Barcelona, Chelsea, Real Madrid and PSG are all stronger than United on paper this season. Sure, not all of them will succeed, but United have no more chance of winning the CL than Arsenal this season.
Of course Fergie gets his players to play at 110%, but even that may not be enough.
As for your comments on our signings, I sincerely hope they're tongue in cheek otherwise I'm worried about you.
posted on 14/8/12
comment by Donald Vito (U4098) posted 5 minutes ago
Why would he go to the second team in Manchester to do that?
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Because more often than not they win a trophy every year. They simply do. You don't.
posted on 14/8/12
"Which part is wrong?"
Which part is right? German reject? French Grant Holt? please explain your logic behind each of these phrases completely, using examples, since they are "factual" of course
posted on 14/8/12
City were his first choice but have pulled out of the race
...........
Really?
posted on 14/8/12
RVP said last season that he could never picture leaving Arsenal if a bigger club came in because he felt if he won a trophy with them it wouldn't feel right. He said that he would only consider his career a success if he won trophies at the club that he has put so much effort into and not a club that he would simply become an addition to.
That isn't my gripe with him though. My gripe is that he claims to love Arsenal and the club. If he REALLY loved Arsenal then he would not join United. He knows the history between the clubs. Arsenal players should not join United and vice versa. Look at the treatment Owen received from Scousers for going to United (even though he didn't move directly to them). Look at how Fergie blocked Heinze's move to Anfield even though they had triggered his release clause. And it isn't as if the clubs are competing with one another, they are just historical rivals. So why should Arsenal treat this situation different and why should we believe RVP loves the club like he claims to when he is going to our biggest, most hated rivals in PL history?
If he leaves then I do honestly believe it won't be about the money, and that he feels that he has a better chance of success at United which he is fully entitled to. But it doesn't take away the fact that he is a liar, he lied to the fans and he lied to himself. All facts.
posted on 14/8/12
Really?
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Come on Rooney, please don't say you believe all that agent stuff about preferring United which conveniently came around a day after City very publicly ended their interest?
posted on 14/8/12
If RVP does leave then it will be about money and a better chance of winning trophies. Same with most footballers.
posted on 14/8/12
Because more often than not they win a trophy every year. They simply do. You don't.
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But that still doesn't make sense, because City are the team most likely to win trophies at the moment.
So if his rationale is, I am good enough to play for a trophy winning side therefore I don't belong here, why wouldn't he simply pick the one with the best chance of it?
Are you saying he's not good enough?
posted on 14/8/12
If RVP does leave then it will be about money and a better chance of winning trophies. Same with most footballers.
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posted on 14/8/12
Really?
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Come on Rooney, please don't say you believe all that agent stuff about preferring United which conveniently came around a day after City very publicly ended their interest?
............
But you believe he wanted City with no evidence atall?
posted on 14/8/12
I understand that it helps your pride to think he is a money grabber but the reality is that you've won feck all for years and in truth that does not look like changing.
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Robbin, i appreciate your concern for our beloved captain, but you must get your facts right before starting a WUM attempt.
You see, when Robin Van Persie signed his last contract, we were also trophyless for a few years and he was injured. In fact, he was on the verge of being sold by Wenger, due to his injury problems.
However, for some reason or another, Wenger, being the trusting fellow he is, decided to hand Persie a contract extension, of which Robin gladly signed.
Role on a few years, Robin has a great season behind him and still hasn't won anything. The only difference is that he's not injured and in a good position to get the best possible deal from any club.
I Robin Van Persie was injured tomorrow, with a serious problem, do you think will bid £20m for him or any other club? Do you think Persie will still play the "ambitions" card?
posted on 14/8/12
Donald Vito (U4098)
As said. It's very very rare that they don't and surely him joining would have most likely yielded 1 more point.
Bestie;
Good post
However;
"Ultimately, Man City, Barcelona, Chelsea, Real Madrid and PSG are all stronger than United on paper this season. Sure, not all of them will succeed, but United have no more chance of winning the CL than Arsenal this season. "
I've lost count of the times Man Utd have been greater than the sum of their parts. It makes me sick. However if you think Utd have no more chance of winning the CL, with the greatest respect, you're deluded.
posted on 14/8/12
Serial;
It's not the only difference though is it. You sold Fabregas and Nasri and both have won major trophies since.
posted on 14/8/12
So Robbing, what you're saying is, he's good enough for United, but not good enough for City?
posted on 14/8/12
comment by Donald Vito (U4098)
posted 2 minutes ago
Because more often than not they win a trophy every year. They simply do. You don't.
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But that still doesn't make sense, because City are the team most likely to win trophies at the moment.
So if his rationale is, I am good enough to play for a trophy winning side therefore I don't belong here, why wouldn't he simply pick the one with the best chance of it?
Are you saying he's not good enough?
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He has less competition at United so is likely to get more games. City's strikers are simply better than ours.
posted on 14/8/12
"I've lost count of the times Man Utd have been greater than the sum of their parts. It makes me sick."
That I agree with. They always pull through even though the team sometimes doesn't look too strong. However, we need to see how our teams perform in the coming season rather than just look at history.
RVP is a , not because he wants to leave but because:
1) He wants to join United
2) He declared his intentions in a totally hypocritical and classless way
3)He wants to join United
This is based on what we are reading. If on the off chance that his interest in United is declared to be false, I will gladly change my opinion
posted on 14/8/12
It's not the only difference though is it. You sold Fabregas and Nasri and both have won major trophies since.
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That's kinda what you expect when you spend £500m on one and move to the best team in the world on the other.
posted on 14/8/12
comment by Bestie - Your Cesc Is On Fire (U1113)
posted 4 minutes ago
Really?
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Come on Rooney, please don't say you believe all that agent stuff about preferring United which conveniently came around a day after City very publicly ended their interest?
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But did they end their interest before or after they became aware of where RVP wanted to go. From Mancini's quotes, it appears to me that he would be interested in RVP, but that he knows that the player wants to go to United. Someone at Juve has made similar noises haven't they?
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