Really?
So a a single parent can afford rent, food, council tax, bills and childminding on £250 a week?

Ach well, let them eat horse eh?

When will you Tories realise that your crusade against the poor just perpetuates a spiral of decline?

Super you really have fallen for the right wing propaganda regarding the unemployed its very sad you should try to open your eyes a little bit.

Please dont perpetuate sterotypes it helps no one and only plays into the hands of those who want to debate the welfare state on that level of thinking.

We are currently sleep walking into a situation were this government IF they get another term of free reign will scrap the welfare system and introduce private insurance payouts for those unemployed.

Chuman - yes I am taking into account this! Now there is a scenario where we all goto work and all get c.50k jobs never having worked, offering the employer no experience but somehow I dont see it happening!

Apparently there would be assistance for childcare would there not? As for debt nobodys fault but their own! Inept bank lending? Seriously? Were they forced to take the money?

Regarding your link - what did the girl do her degree in? What job does she have currently?

As for the HGV driver there is a massive shortage of HGV drivers so he mustnt be trying too hard!

But they aren't getting any more experience. FFS once you've stacked a shelf once, you stop learning and become a fcking robot.

It's just free labour for corporations paid for by the taxpayer.

So a a single parent can afford rent, food, council tax, bills and childminding on £250 a week?

This theoretical single parent would be getting all sorts of additional help regarding childcare/council tax/rent etc etc

Perhaps she could have used protection then not had the kid that apparently she cant afford!

Nobody could feed a family of 4 on £250 a week.

And also manage to pay all other bills your living in cloud cuckoo land super sorry.

I read an article the other day by the economist Levitt, an american, he said it is more effective and more practical to tie your living wage level to the average wage rather than inflation it provides a fair more equal spread of income.

As for debt nobodys fault but their own! Inept bank lending? Seriously? Were they forced to take the money?
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You did read my post properly didnt you? thats what i said nobodies fault but their own, but you must acknowledge that these people are in debt.

Perhaps she could have used protection then not had the kid that apparently she cant afford!
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Super you can not control people reproducing if you even attempt to your getting into very difficult territory.

This theoretical single parent would be getting all sorts of additional help regarding childcare/council tax/rent etc etc
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Nowhere near as much as you think. Believe me, my cousin is in that position and she hasn't got a pot to pishh in despite holding down a full time job.

It's all very easy talking about scroungers when you don't know any people in that position.

I think he is only suggesting that you plan children

we planned our 2 would have loved more but couldnt afford it so didnt.

perhaps we should have gone ahead and had some more

You wouldnt mind paying for them though would you.

Perhaps she could have used protection then not had the kid that apparently she cant afford!
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Too far

Chuman - I know mores the pity! But why would you have a family of 4 if you dont have a job? How did they envisage feeding and clothing them?

Yes I did read your post correctly and I am not prepared to subsidise somebody to pay their own debt!
So this is of no concern to me!

Mistakes happen though Duke. My cousin was only 16... FFS at that age everyone makes mistakes. But the fact that we have a government and people in this country who demonise these folk makes me fckin sick.

PB I know you cant read this as im on your filter list but I completely agree with what you say, "It's all very easy talking about scroungers when you don't know any people in that position."

Super its easy to judge the lives of others through the media but unless you actually know and see how other people live you'll never understand it.

Partick

I think he is only suggesting that you plan children
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Not everyone is as sensible as that though duke.

Super was discussing earlier about sterilizing these people

The miracle of life eh some people use all sorts of contreception but still become pregnant what shall we do with these people?

Im not demonising! But why the feck should I pay more to subsidise someone elses mistake?

Listen the welfare state is the best solution we have to supporting the weakest and worst off in society. Its not the jolly jape some would like you to think it is living a life on the dole.

Granted the system in place will be open to abuse and is abused but I for one would not use this as a grounds to abandon the truely weakest of society to a life of poverty.

It's a classic Tory technique - divide and rule.

1st up it was turning the private sector against the public by banging on about pensions and pay.

Now it's "strivers v shirkers"

It's all a ploy to make the working man forget that we are all being shafted by those at the top.

Super was discussing earlier about sterilizing these people - no I wasnt it was a flippant light hearted jibe!

FFS get a grip! If your not sensible YOU should face the consequences! Not expect someone to bail you out for the rest of your life!

Super how much do you think you have paid out to subsidise an illegal and immoral war in Iraq and Afghanistan?

seems some who make this mistake then make it again

I know rather Daily Mail.

Mind that women in Leeds was it.

She had he wee girl abducted though in the end she wasnt.

she had I think 4 kids and called 2 of the boys twins
The lady reporters asked her why when one was 7 and the other 9 she called them twins

Her reply was serious.

'Well they have the same Da, thats twins'

Ally I hear your tax goes straight to her now

Im not demonising! But why the feck should I pay more to subsidise someone elses mistake?
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Aye you are. Everytime you call someone a scrounger, you're demonising them.

Why should you subsidise someone's mistake? Because you live in a society where people hopefully care about their fellow man. How much do you think you actually lose out because of the welfare state? I mean, how much do you actually think it costs you personally?

Its a classic tory technique? Seriously who were in charge before them and how was the countrys finances when they left? Who scrapped the 10p tax rate?

Remind me whats happening to your tax allowance?

Public sector pensions are wrong they pay in less than the private sector but get a larger return! Jeez does everybody just want everything for free!!!!!!!

well i tell you what super im fed up subsidising inept politicians who have just voted for a wee pay rise for themselves.

Why is everything so black and white with you lot?

It's right to say that in this day and age, we should expect our poor, sick and needy to be cared for.

However, it's also right to say that when you put plans in place to ensure these people are cared for, others will take advantage and milk the system for what they can.

Sadly, there's no happy medium.