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posted on 5/6/22

Has anyone of you watched Scamacca yesterday?

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 18 minutes ago
It is a tricky situation and one which will need to be dealed with in the right way. The WC is in 5 months. As it stands, Saliba is going with the senior team. Deschamps confirmed it today that he likes his maturity and calmness. With Varane being in sharp decline, it is even likely that Saliba is a direct starter. Bringing him back to AFC to make him seat on the bench and miss the WC won't beneficiate neither parties.
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I am sure he will get enough games with the Europa, Cups.

Europa will make him look even better.

comment by IAWT (U10012)

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 18 minutes ago
It is a tricky situation and one which will need to be dealed with in the right way. The WC is in 5 months. As it stands, Saliba is going with the senior team. Deschamps confirmed it today that he likes his maturity and calmness. With Varane being in sharp decline, it is even likely that Saliba is a direct starter. Bringing him back to AFC to make him seat on the bench and miss the WC won't beneficiate neither parties.
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I am sure he will get enough games with the Europa, Cups.

Europa will make him look even better.
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16 PL games, 6 EL and at least 1 EFL game.

Those numbers are from DJ so will have to trust him on that one. Nonetheless, if White and Gabriel are fit, that is not a lot of game to cement his spot. He won't start in the PL, that is almost for sure (unless injuries), so it is basically the 7 cup games.

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Gunnerthru (U6675)
posted 19 minutes ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted less than a minute ago
France have loads of CBs. Upamecano, Lenglet, Varane and Zouma all options from outside the current squad.

16 PL games, 6 EL and at least 1 EFL game.
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The players you mentioned are all worse than Saliba currently. Lenglet not really an alternative. Barca want to get rid. He didnt really play a role there anymore.
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The point is "currently" - we are talking about if Willy Sal is benched at Arsenal in the 16 PL games between now and the World Cup. Langlet leaving Barca probably means he will be playing somewhere...

posted on 5/6/22

Deschamps rate Saliba. Absolute no doubt. True is that Arteta's first choice pair is White/Gabriel. But this can change quickly. They played many games together but I dont know how many times they played with nggles and injections during games. So having Saliba as an alternative who can make it straight into the team is a good thing.

posted on 5/6/22

*niggles

posted on 5/6/22

*naggers

posted on 5/6/22

ffs

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 46 minutes ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 18 minutes ago
It is a tricky situation and one which will need to be dealed with in the right way. The WC is in 5 months. As it stands, Saliba is going with the senior team. Deschamps confirmed it today that he likes his maturity and calmness. With Varane being in sharp decline, it is even likely that Saliba is a direct starter. Bringing him back to AFC to make him seat on the bench and miss the WC won't beneficiate neither parties.
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I am sure he will get enough games with the Europa, Cups.

Europa will make him look even better.
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16 PL games, 6 EL and at least 1 EFL game.

Those numbers are from DJ so will have to trust him on that one. Nonetheless, if White and Gabriel are fit, that is not a lot of game to cement his spot. He won't start in the PL, that is almost for sure (unless injuries), so it is basically the 7 cup games.
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We get enough injuries and I think its clear from Arteta that he envisages a CB partnership of Saliba and White as the future. Its critical that both CBs should be comfortable coming into centre midfield to defeat a forward press. So his future should clearly be at Arsenal.

Now in terms of the near term, I don't think Deschamps intends to start him so if he is one of the younger picks for future experience, I am not sure he needs him to be playing every match. Especially when its pretty much recognised by everyone that playing in the toughest league is definitely another string to his bow.

comment by IAWT (U10012)

posted on 5/6/22

Now in terms of the near term, I don't think Deschamps intends to start him so if he is one of the younger picks for future experience, I am not sure he needs him to be playing every match.
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I would disagree and that it's based on comments Deschamps made today. We will probably have a better idea tomorrow in the game vs Croatia but I think Saliba has gone up in the picking order and he is now ahead of Kimpembe and Konate.

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 1 minute ago
Now in terms of the near term, I don't think Deschamps intends to start him so if he is one of the younger picks for future experience, I am not sure he needs him to be playing every match.
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I would disagree and that it's based on comments Deschamps made today. We will probably have a better idea tomorrow in the game vs Croatia but I think Saliba has gone up in the picking order and he is now ahead of Kimpembe and Konate.
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I didn't see the last game so I don't know how Saliba performed? I have never thought of Deschamps as much of a risk taker. Look at the number of years he started Giroud ahead of Benzema cause you know he was in their winning run. (despite never actually having a shot in the final). So to risk a newbie in a world cup? Not so sure tbh.

posted on 5/6/22

He picked Giroud over Benzema because Benzema was part of a blackmail plot against an international team-mate - not because of a winning run.

posted on 5/6/22

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 seconds ago
He picked Giroud over Benzema because Benzema was part of a blackmail plot against an international team-mate - not because of a winning run.
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OK, fair enough. Did Deschamps ever lobby for the ban to be lifted because he was never accused of being behind the plot? Did he do enough?

comment by IAWT (U10012)

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 1 minute ago
Now in terms of the near term, I don't think Deschamps intends to start him so if he is one of the younger picks for future experience, I am not sure he needs him to be playing every match.
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I would disagree and that it's based on comments Deschamps made today. We will probably have a better idea tomorrow in the game vs Croatia but I think Saliba has gone up in the picking order and he is now ahead of Kimpembe and Konate.
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I didn't see the last game so I don't know how Saliba performed? I have never thought of Deschamps as much of a risk taker. Look at the number of years he started Giroud ahead of Benzema cause you know he was in their winning run. (despite never actually having a shot in the final). So to risk a newbie in a world cup? Not so sure tbh.
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Saliba was the one who came in when Varane got injured while we had Kimpembe and Pavard, both part of the WC winning team on the bench. Ask anyone who watched Marseille and they will tell you not taking Saliba would be the risk, not the other way around.

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 seconds ago
He picked Giroud over Benzema because Benzema was part of a blackmail plot against an international team-mate - not because of a winning run.
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OK, fair enough. Did Deschamps ever lobby for the ban to be lifted because he was never accused of being behind the plot? Did he do enough?
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I swear we've gone down this road before

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 4 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Grand slam done, World Cup next, Blimey! (U10012)
posted 1 minute ago
Now in terms of the near term, I don't think Deschamps intends to start him so if he is one of the younger picks for future experience, I am not sure he needs him to be playing every match.
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I would disagree and that it's based on comments Deschamps made today. We will probably have a better idea tomorrow in the game vs Croatia but I think Saliba has gone up in the picking order and he is now ahead of Kimpembe and Konate.
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I didn't see the last game so I don't know how Saliba performed? I have never thought of Deschamps as much of a risk taker. Look at the number of years he started Giroud ahead of Benzema cause you know he was in their winning run. (despite never actually having a shot in the final). So to risk a newbie in a world cup? Not so sure tbh.
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Saliba was the one who came in when Varane got injured while we had Kimpembe and Pavard, both part of the WC winning team on the bench. Ask anyone who watched Marseille and they will tell you not taking Saliba would be the risk, not the other way around.
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I am sure he will be selected for the French squad even if he wasn't starting every game for Arsenal.

I was doubting whether he will be starting for France in the WC.

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 seconds ago
He picked Giroud over Benzema because Benzema was part of a blackmail plot against an international team-mate - not because of a winning run.
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OK, fair enough. Did Deschamps ever lobby for the ban to be lifted because he was never accused of being behind the plot? Did he do enough?
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Why would he? Benzema was banned while a legal issue was going on (one which he was found guilty).

posted on 5/6/22

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 seconds ago
He picked Giroud over Benzema because Benzema was part of a blackmail plot against an international team-mate - not because of a winning run.
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OK, fair enough. Did Deschamps ever lobby for the ban to be lifted because he was never accused of being behind the plot? Did he do enough?
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Why would he? Benzema was banned while a legal issue was going on (one which he was found guilty).
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exactly. It's not the cup of tea for a national manager to interfere in a legal issue.

posted on 5/6/22

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 20 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted about a minute ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 11 seconds ago
He picked Giroud over Benzema because Benzema was part of a blackmail plot against an international team-mate - not because of a winning run.
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OK, fair enough. Did Deschamps ever lobby for the ban to be lifted because he was never accused of being behind the plot? Did he do enough?
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Why would he? Benzema was banned while a legal issue was going on (one which he was found guilty).
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I dunno take a risk for a far better player?

My point was about risk taking than anything else. I accept maybe Benzema is a poor example.

I just see him as a conservative establishment figure tbh.

posted on 5/6/22

https://twitter.com/TheAFCnewsroom/status/1533448637941960704

Wonderful

posted on 5/6/22

Only Nigeria (25.9) had a lower squad average age than France (26.0) in 2018, and Deschamps took a lot of U23s.

Benzema was picked for Euro20 and started every game ahead of Giroud. So, by your suggestion, Deschamps took a massive risk?

posted on 5/6/22

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 55 seconds ago
Only Nigeria (25.9) had a lower squad average age than France (26.0) in 2018, and Deschamps took a lot of U23s.

Benzema was picked for Euro20 and started every game ahead of Giroud. So, by your suggestion, Deschamps took a massive risk?
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Fair enough. You think Deschamps is going to start Saliba in the WC and obviously this going to be hurt by not starting straight away at Arsenal is the reason why Arteta will send him out on loan again?

posted on 5/6/22

comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 55 seconds ago
Only Nigeria (25.9) had a lower squad average age than France (26.0) in 2018, and Deschamps took a lot of U23s.

Benzema was picked for Euro20 and started every game ahead of Giroud. So, by your suggestion, Deschamps took a massive risk?
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Fair enough. You think Deschamps is going to start Saliba in the WC and obviously this going to be hurt by not starting straight away at Arsenal is the reason why Arteta will send him out on loan again?
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Where did I say that? There is more chance of Saliba starting for France if he is playing, and playing well, for Arsenal.

Arteta is not sending him out on loan, where did that come from

posted on 5/6/22

comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 15 seconds ago
comment by Jenius99 (U4918)
posted 3 seconds ago
comment by D'Jeezus Mackaroni (U1137)
posted 55 seconds ago
Only Nigeria (25.9) had a lower squad average age than France (26.0) in 2018, and Deschamps took a lot of U23s.

Benzema was picked for Euro20 and started every game ahead of Giroud. So, by your suggestion, Deschamps took a massive risk?
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Fair enough. You think Deschamps is going to start Saliba in the WC and obviously this going to be hurt by not starting straight away at Arsenal is the reason why Arteta will send him out on loan again?
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Where did I say that? There is more chance of Saliba starting for France if he is playing, and playing well, for Arsenal.

Arteta is not sending him out on loan, where did that come from
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That was my discussion with IWAT that you interrupted.

Its very simple. I actually do believe that Deschamps is not going to start Saliba in the WC because my impression of him is that he is very conservative. I used Benzema as an example of that but I later admitted it was not good example because it only stems from the my belief that he could have done more if he really wanted to in his case.

If I am accurate about Deschamps nature then I don't think Saliba joining Arsenal (and so not starting immediately) will harm or be a hindrance to his international career.

posted on 5/6/22

It was actually a discussion between IAWT, GT and myself that you interrupted

If Saliba is starting PL games and playing well, and the likes of Lenglet, Kounde and Konate aren't starting, then there is every chance Saliba can start for France. Deschamps has often trusted young players and he doesn't seem all that settled on a defence.

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