Hope you're right about Kagawa and I know he's said himself the PL is very different to the Bundesliga but I just can't see Ferguson changing his very strict ways to accommodate a player like Kagawa. Ferguson's priority in attacking players these days is their ability to defend rather than attack.

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but thats because he contuinues to play people like giggs in midfield, resulting in needing other players to defend when they shouldnt have to.

kagawa is similar to silva and mata, both didnt light up the pl in their first season.

technically he is also better than Rooney, however Rooney seems to bring a drive to the team, but again, if we had drive from the midfield kagawa would be perfectly suited for that no. 10 role.

How many of Welbeck's 35 games has he actually played as a striker rather than a winger though.

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Welbeck has Rooney and RVP in front of him. Would you rather RVP sacrificed for Welbeck? the man who falls to pieces in the box. Regardless of him playing on the wing, which I think he does a fairly good job at, 1 goal in the league is poor and is not exactly showing the kind of goal scoring record required to oust RVP or Rooney from the striker's position. Do you honestly think it is?
Yes you can say that it's because he is playing wide but even when the chances have presented themselves, which they certainly have, he has not taken them.

What alarms me about when you judge Fergie is that you completely disregard all the wins this season. You only mention the losses, that of which there are three compared to twenty five wins.

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and there rests my case where people are blinded by results over performances.

you are right, we have won those games, but in quite a few of those we had to come from behind and squeeze out a result, we shouldnt need to go behind to inferior teams in order to start playing.

many of those wins could easily have been draws or defeats, thats how fine the margins were.

My problem with Fergie this season has nothing to do with wins or losses. It's two very simple things;

1) Square pegs in round holes for just about every single game
2) Way too much tinkering with personnel, formations etc

They are the reasons for our disjointed performances and the reason why a lot of our players aren't developing as they should.

This is what happened before the scousers went belly up.

Scholes' tackling coach

What wins would you say stand out this season though?

Chelsea away? They ended up with 9 players.

City Away? We had a great start but overall I would say City were in control.

Liverpool home and away? Professional but not great performances.

Arsenal home? Same as Liverpool games.

The standard of the PL this season has been pretty terrible and we've taken full advantage of that with our big squad.

Dunc, I take your point but in my opinion results > performances.

In the short term Scholes. Long term it will have a negative effect

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)

I don't see what your point is in regards to our youngsters.

You seem to be referring to the luck we have had in the big matches which granted we have had. But if you are going to win anything at this level of sport you need some luck. e.g. When we didn't get the luck against Madrid

dunc

I know what you're saying but I'd say Mata was pretty good last season, also look at someone like Oscar, he looks like a 5 year old boy yet has been given far more trust in Chelsea's starting line up than Kagawa with us.

Dunc, I take your point but in my opinion results > performances.

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you are right to a degree, but at some point those poor performances will start to catch up with us.

at some point those comebacks and wins will start to turn into defeats and draws as the luck runs out.

you look at the games where we have fallen behind and squeezed out a victory and work out how many points ahead we would be if we hadnt manage to score a late winner.

comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)

No one really knows what the long term effect will be to be honest but I am of the opinion that Welbeck is a future squad player. He is good but I don't ever see him becoming as important to us as say Rooney or any other of our spine players.
I think when the time comes and we move big players like Rooney on we will buy another big talent to replace, I don't think Welbeck will step up.

Scholes' tackling coach

Of course results are the most important thing but why should we only strive for 1 thing, why can't we win and play well?

That's not me being a spoilt brat, I think it's completely fair to expect a higher level of playing standard.

also look at someone like Oscar, he looks like a 5 year old boy yet has been given far more trust in Chelsea's starting line up than Kagawa with us

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thats down to the manager though giving him that trust.

had fergie actually said to kagawa, go on son, go out there and play on a regular basis you'd already be seeing big improvements.

the fact that he hasnt suggests that maybe even next season we will not see the best of kagawa.

Scholes

Look at the way we've played this season. Can you think of one decent game when the performance has been good the whole game?

The rut has set in and if it isn't addressed, we will be royally fecked

So people say we've been playing bad football all season - many of those matches had Cleverley in the middle.

Of course people on here can criticise the performances, I have at times too but to go from that to saying that Sir Alex should go is ridiculous.

And utterly ungrateful. The same people who think he should go would change their minds after 5 minutes in his company and actually listened to his justifications.

It's always been the same though. People think they can do a better job than someone who has proved himself time and time again.

And referring to Kagawa specifically, it's pretty obvious from his and Sir Alex's words that he is being eased into the side while he builds his physique up. What ever happened to giving players time?

I bet with allllll my money that if Kagawa had played and playd badly that people would say that 'it's his first season, give him time' but isn't that what Sir Alex is doing? Giving him time?

This is his 'welcome to England' season and after a trip or 3 to the gym this summer we'll see Kagawa in bigger games next season.

i actually agree.

we seem to have this menatality over the last couple of seasons where we take a lead and just slow everything down to a pedestrian level.

can you ever remember the crowd singing attack attack in the days of becks, keane, cole, yorke??

i cant, and thats because that team was set out to play and attack from the first minute to the last.

comment by manutd1982 (U6633)

Of course the performances could have been improved I am not denying that but what I am saying is that I don't agree that Fergie is losing it and not giving the youngsters a chance which I proved was not the case earlier on.

rob,

take the blinkers off mate, we have performed sheite far too often this season.

noone is being ungrateful for what fergie has done, but the fact is our football has become stale over the last couple of seasons, and fergie will call it a day in the next season or 2.

a new manager, with fresh ideas may actually lift the club.

I feel as if the fact that Fergie tried to sign Hazard or Lucas in the summer is an indication that he is aware that the team is not as exciting as previous squads.

Scholes' tackling coach

TBF giving youth a chance is lower down in my list of problems with Ferguson currently.

My main concerns are playing players out of position, the quality of our play this season, not having a best XI, his reliance on Giggs in the middle, his treatment of Nani and not seemingly knowing why he bought Kagawa in the first place.

I think when the time comes and we move big players like Rooney on we will buy another big talent to replace
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Rooney's replcement is already at the club, being played out of position

comment by dunc_ it is unnaceptable to laugh at people who have split their a n u s! (U11713)
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rob,

take the blinkers off mate, we have performed sheite far too often this season.

noone is being ungrateful for what fergie has done
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Don't know why you bother Dunc

He knows full well nobody is being ungrateful

Macca

Honest question. Like my '05/06' article says, do you think the boss can turn it around?

In 05/06 we had Giggs and O'Shea in CM then the next season we were CL semi finalists.

The reason i'm so optimistic is because i've seen this before and we have always been fine long term.

I do accept that we've been poor for a lot of this season but given that the boss tried to buy top class wingers last summer, I can see him doing the same this summer.

Regarding CM, he had Scholes last summer so that may have persuaded him to stay away from buying a CM but this summer I expect him to retire and we will get someone like Cabaye or Wanyama and that should be the spark in CM we need.

Rob is wumming again. I personally do not believe Cleverley is a big game player yet. Maybe one day. Anderson is and is being carefully managed so he doesn't get the opportunity too.

We started the season with this knowledge and the manager has done nothing to address it. That is what troubles me.

Nani has been injured, Valencia has been useless but he persists with Valencia when Nani is fully fit.

Welbeck has been awful on the wing but still plays there ahead of proper wingers.

Smalling a Cb is played at RB, why? Jones, played everywhere, why?

We are man utd for feck sake. How many of our rivals do this? If our players aren't good enough, why hasn't the manager addressed the problem?

That is what scares me and it should scare you guys too

To be fair we have a big squad and it must be difficult juggling all the players around keeping them happy.

Both Nani and Valencia have been awful this season in my opinion and with Young seemingly injured a fair amount of time it is not that hard to understand why we have had to play players like Welbeck or Kagawa on the wing during some games.
It makes even more sense when you think that the preferred position of these two are taken up by two extremely good players in Rooney and RVP which is also another reason to why they are played out of position.