Scholes
Agreed, my concern is we've tried the giggs in midfield thing and it has failed over and over again but the manager did it yesterday again.
These are the things that trouble me.
Macca
My 'have you watched him play' was based on the simple passing question. Whatever Giggs' strengths or weaknesses, he can pass a ball as good as anyone else.
Before anyone mentions 'that' backheel last night, that could happen to anyone and was something that Giggs will be ruing afterwards.
I think it was a risk which certainly didn't pay off. Giggs was class against Madrid in the champions league and I think Fergie was hoping he would replicate that performance. I can see the reasoning behind his selection but I think it was ultimately the wrong decision and I would think that Fergie in hindsight would agree
I think it was a risk which certainly didn't pay off. Giggs was class against Madrid in the champions league and I think Fergie was hoping he would replicate that performance. I can see the reasoning behind his selection but I think it was ultimately the wrong decision and I would think that Fergie in hindsight would agree
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comment by Robb Lannister (U9808)
posted 3 minutes ago
Macca
How many big games has Cleverley been a bench warmer this season?
He started against Chelsea (twice), Arsenal, Real, City and Spurs this season.
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I know
He should have been on the pitch last night too
Not fekking Giggs
We've argued this so many times Rob.
You are the only United fan I know that isn't baffled by it
Giggs was shambolic last night. He did absolutely nothing and was shown up even by players like Barry and Milner ffs
Why risk it when you have players more adept to that job on the bench.
Giggs would have given Zabaleta a torrid time if he had played on the wing instead yesterday. Instead he provided city with the assist for their goal
And he's terrible. We've been saying it for 2 years now and he still plays him there
.........................
I always go back to this game, where I first really saw how old Giggs and Scholes were getting, and how poor Giggs is in the CM.
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/21-03-2009-fulham.html
So, I have been saying this for four years.
Macca
Mate, who knows why Cleverley started on the bench last night. But it's incorrect to say that Giggs always starts the big games for us.
If he started in CM in all those games that Tom did then you could argue that Giggs is his 'big game player' but as he hasn't then you have to give the boss the benefit of the doubt and there must have been a good reason.
In the past 2 games Ferguson has played Cleverly on the wing and Giggs in the middle.
Sums up Ferguson's needless rotation and playing players out of position recently.
My 'have you watched him play' was based on the simple passing question. Whatever Giggs' strengths or weaknesses, he can pass a ball as good as anyone else
----------------
One of Giggy's weakest links all his career has been his short passing ability
His strength has always been terrorising fullbacks with his pace and skill
Never has he had the consistant passing ability like a Michael Carrick for example.
Cleverley started both the madrid games, Giggs arguably only played the second game because of Jones' injury so I wouldn't subscribe to the idea that Giggs starts all the big games
Mate, who knows why Cleverley started on the bench last night. But it's incorrect to say that Giggs always starts the big games for us.
---------------
Not once have a stated that
Thanks Macca, Rob, you are talking cak. As a winger, Giggs final ball was always an issue. Surely a Utd fan would know this
I don't mind Giggs playing on the wing, but I don't think he should be starting games in the centre of midfield.
The problem of Giggs and Scholes in the squad is that it doesn't allow for other players with a long term future at the club to play their way into form or prove themselves in the big games.
Because Fergie keeps chopping and changing things.
From a squad management poit of view I can understand it, and we are winning so it's vindicated, however, it's having a big impact on the team ethic.
This is one of the main reasons we are not seeing great performances.
I don't buy into the idea all the players are average and cannot keep the ball or play well - as every player in the squad has proven on occasion that this is false.
But the consistency with which these players perform is hindered due to how many different sorts of players we have in the side all playing a different way and not playing regularly enough.
We have a few really good players that will play most games and then a big squad of good but not unstoppable players. This is why they can never find any form or cohesiveness.
This is my biggest problem with United the last few years. As it's becoming crap to watch - despite the wins.
ManUtdDaredevil
Very true, I think it has improved over the years but when he was an out an out winger he was never really known for his delivery.
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OP
If you have been reading this site for a year, then you would know we are not over reacting.
The vast majority of us have been saying these same things even when we have won games.
A lot of people on here do talk crap every now and again, but if you look back on yesterdays match thread, you will see people calling for Giggs to be replaced well before half time.
If you go back far enough on it, you will find my comment after five minutes saying Giggs will start to tire in another ten - fifteen minutes and city will start to grip midfield.
You really have to wonder why SAF can not see this.
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The articles I am referring to mention midfield problems more deep seeded than just from last nights game they refer to the whole season
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Vidicschin (U3584)
on your last bit, i think he does now after last night, we might sign a midfielder this summer.
====================================
Those exact words or some derivative of it have been uttered for going on three years now and little has changed.
I always go back to this game, where I first really saw how old Giggs and Scholes were getting, and how poor Giggs is in the CM.
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/21-03-2009-fulham.html
So, I have been saying this for four years.
--------------
The guy just isn't a CM
Felt a bit for Clevs last night
What was more shocking for me than anything is not that he started ahead of Clevs, which was bad enough, it was that, despite him being dreadful, he kept him on the whole game, and Clevs remained on the bench
Clevs should have been on for Giggs by half time
UnitedRedMacca
What shocked me more was Ferguson's decision to bring on Valencia ahead of Kagawa and Nani last night, baffling!?
Pogba made the right decision leaving Utd. I've been one of his biggest critics but fair play to the lad.
I agree that fergie made a mistake with Giggs last night, what I don't agree with is how Fergie supposedly plays Giggs all the time and doesn't give others a chance.
Before anyone mentions 'that' backheel last night, that could happen to anyone and was something that Giggs will be ruing afterwards.
------------------------
no its not.
you wouldnt see carrick or cleverly trying to backheel a ball like that.
people have been going on for ages about how Giggs gives away needless possession by trying hollywood flicks that rarely come off and that one last night was a prime example.
if your going to try a flick like that, try it around the oppositions box, not halfway between your area and the halfway line facing your own goal.
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
Thanks Macca, Rob, you are talking cak. As a winger, Giggs final ball was always an issue. Surely a Utd fan would know this
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Giggs crossing has never really been all that either
manutd1982
So true mate, just have a gander at Giggs assists and you'll see.
He's my favourite Utd player of all time but I'm honest enough to accept his limitations. This however makes me a bad fan according to some.
I also see the same issues with the manager and his decline, but I'm a bad fan and I'm ungrateful for saying this about Fergie.
There comes a time in everyone's career when you say, I can't do it anymore and you bow out.
GNev was a perfect example
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posted on 9/4/13
Scholes
Agreed, my concern is we've tried the giggs in midfield thing and it has failed over and over again but the manager did it yesterday again.
These are the things that trouble me.
posted on 9/4/13
Macca
My 'have you watched him play' was based on the simple passing question. Whatever Giggs' strengths or weaknesses, he can pass a ball as good as anyone else.
Before anyone mentions 'that' backheel last night, that could happen to anyone and was something that Giggs will be ruing afterwards.
posted on 9/4/13
I think it was a risk which certainly didn't pay off. Giggs was class against Madrid in the champions league and I think Fergie was hoping he would replicate that performance. I can see the reasoning behind his selection but I think it was ultimately the wrong decision and I would think that Fergie in hindsight would agree
posted on 9/4/13
I think it was a risk which certainly didn't pay off. Giggs was class against Madrid in the champions league and I think Fergie was hoping he would replicate that performance. I can see the reasoning behind his selection but I think it was ultimately the wrong decision and I would think that Fergie in hindsight would agree
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posted on 9/4/13
comment by Robb Lannister (U9808)
posted 3 minutes ago
Macca
How many big games has Cleverley been a bench warmer this season?
He started against Chelsea (twice), Arsenal, Real, City and Spurs this season.
------------------
I know
He should have been on the pitch last night too
Not fekking Giggs
We've argued this so many times Rob.
You are the only United fan I know that isn't baffled by it
Giggs was shambolic last night. He did absolutely nothing and was shown up even by players like Barry and Milner ffs
posted on 9/4/13
Why risk it when you have players more adept to that job on the bench.
Giggs would have given Zabaleta a torrid time if he had played on the wing instead yesterday. Instead he provided city with the assist for their goal
posted on 9/4/13
And he's terrible. We've been saying it for 2 years now and he still plays him there
.........................
I always go back to this game, where I first really saw how old Giggs and Scholes were getting, and how poor Giggs is in the CM.
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/21-03-2009-fulham.html
So, I have been saying this for four years.
posted on 9/4/13
Macca
Mate, who knows why Cleverley started on the bench last night. But it's incorrect to say that Giggs always starts the big games for us.
If he started in CM in all those games that Tom did then you could argue that Giggs is his 'big game player' but as he hasn't then you have to give the boss the benefit of the doubt and there must have been a good reason.
posted on 9/4/13
In the past 2 games Ferguson has played Cleverly on the wing and Giggs in the middle.
Sums up Ferguson's needless rotation and playing players out of position recently.
posted on 9/4/13
My 'have you watched him play' was based on the simple passing question. Whatever Giggs' strengths or weaknesses, he can pass a ball as good as anyone else
----------------
One of Giggy's weakest links all his career has been his short passing ability
His strength has always been terrorising fullbacks with his pace and skill
Never has he had the consistant passing ability like a Michael Carrick for example.
posted on 9/4/13
Cleverley started both the madrid games, Giggs arguably only played the second game because of Jones' injury so I wouldn't subscribe to the idea that Giggs starts all the big games
posted on 9/4/13
Mate, who knows why Cleverley started on the bench last night. But it's incorrect to say that Giggs always starts the big games for us.
---------------
Not once have a stated that
posted on 9/4/13
Thanks Macca, Rob, you are talking cak. As a winger, Giggs final ball was always an issue. Surely a Utd fan would know this
posted on 9/4/13
I don't mind Giggs playing on the wing, but I don't think he should be starting games in the centre of midfield.
The problem of Giggs and Scholes in the squad is that it doesn't allow for other players with a long term future at the club to play their way into form or prove themselves in the big games.
Because Fergie keeps chopping and changing things.
From a squad management poit of view I can understand it, and we are winning so it's vindicated, however, it's having a big impact on the team ethic.
This is one of the main reasons we are not seeing great performances.
I don't buy into the idea all the players are average and cannot keep the ball or play well - as every player in the squad has proven on occasion that this is false.
But the consistency with which these players perform is hindered due to how many different sorts of players we have in the side all playing a different way and not playing regularly enough.
We have a few really good players that will play most games and then a big squad of good but not unstoppable players. This is why they can never find any form or cohesiveness.
This is my biggest problem with United the last few years. As it's becoming crap to watch - despite the wins.
posted on 9/4/13
ManUtdDaredevil
Very true, I think it has improved over the years but when he was an out an out winger he was never really known for his delivery.
posted on 9/4/13
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OP
If you have been reading this site for a year, then you would know we are not over reacting.
The vast majority of us have been saying these same things even when we have won games.
A lot of people on here do talk crap every now and again, but if you look back on yesterdays match thread, you will see people calling for Giggs to be replaced well before half time.
If you go back far enough on it, you will find my comment after five minutes saying Giggs will start to tire in another ten - fifteen minutes and city will start to grip midfield.
You really have to wonder why SAF can not see this.
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Vidicschin (U3584)
on your last bit, i think he does now after last night, we might sign a midfielder this summer.
====================================
Those exact words or some derivative of it have been uttered for going on three years now and little has changed.
posted on 9/4/13
*undroppable
posted on 9/4/13
DTKF
Excellent post
posted on 9/4/13
I always go back to this game, where I first really saw how old Giggs and Scholes were getting, and how poor Giggs is in the CM.
http://www.aboutmanutd.com/man-u-matches/21-03-2009-fulham.html
So, I have been saying this for four years.
--------------
The guy just isn't a CM
Felt a bit for Clevs last night
What was more shocking for me than anything is not that he started ahead of Clevs, which was bad enough, it was that, despite him being dreadful, he kept him on the whole game, and Clevs remained on the bench
Clevs should have been on for Giggs by half time
posted on 9/4/13
UnitedRedMacca
What shocked me more was Ferguson's decision to bring on Valencia ahead of Kagawa and Nani last night, baffling!?
posted on 9/4/13
Pogba made the right decision leaving Utd. I've been one of his biggest critics but fair play to the lad.
posted on 9/4/13
I agree that fergie made a mistake with Giggs last night, what I don't agree with is how Fergie supposedly plays Giggs all the time and doesn't give others a chance.
posted on 9/4/13
Before anyone mentions 'that' backheel last night, that could happen to anyone and was something that Giggs will be ruing afterwards.
------------------------
no its not.
you wouldnt see carrick or cleverly trying to backheel a ball like that.
people have been going on for ages about how Giggs gives away needless possession by trying hollywood flicks that rarely come off and that one last night was a prime example.
if your going to try a flick like that, try it around the oppositions box, not halfway between your area and the halfway line facing your own goal.
posted on 9/4/13
comment by ManUtdDaredevil (U9612)
posted 5 minutes ago
Thanks Macca, Rob, you are talking cak. As a winger, Giggs final ball was always an issue. Surely a Utd fan would know this
-----------------
Giggs crossing has never really been all that either
posted on 9/4/13
manutd1982
So true mate, just have a gander at Giggs assists and you'll see.
He's my favourite Utd player of all time but I'm honest enough to accept his limitations. This however makes me a bad fan according to some.
I also see the same issues with the manager and his decline, but I'm a bad fan and I'm ungrateful for saying this about Fergie.
There comes a time in everyone's career when you say, I can't do it anymore and you bow out.
GNev was a perfect example
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