Chelsea hold the record for a domestic game attendance of over 100,000 with arsenal for example.
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Don't City hold the record for a home attendance with United second - both games being at Maine Road

Are you talking about a neutral ground? Wembley?

A Big club for JA606 members to however you happen to support.

I know this is a Bubbles wum, but just how many of these article do we have to have before people realise that supporters will use whatever criteria suits their team in deciding if your a big club.

Milan, Juventus and Liverpool have the history, but not so much the success.
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Pardon?

Clapham. I understand where you're coming from but you can debate about which club is the biggest without thinking that it will insult all the other clubs in the league. Of course Crawley Town fans think they're club is biggest but on a more general scale, which clubs are the biggest that most will people will agree on, is what the OP is trying to get at?

For me personally

United
Liverpool
Arsenal

Then it get a bit murky..

Also I think what is important is the size of your local support. The hardcore supporters. Money will bring you lots of corporates and overseas fans, but it is the local hardcore supporters which support you through the good times and the bad. These are the foundation of the club. The more you have, the bigger the club


But in the case of the London clubs loads of their traditional support moved to the new towns of Bracknall,Harlow,Welyn Gdn,Peterboro,Slough basildon ect ect in the 70s dont mean they are any less passionate or their kids who wernt bought up in london are any less passionate either.

*recent success

Dr Phil

You said it here on this thread... 19 mins ago...
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phil neville has three left feet (U13806)



posted 19 minutes ago

I have referred to or claimed in this day and age Everton FC are a BIG club


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'Big' is vague to the point of meaninglessness. But here is my subjective take.

I don't think we can equate spending power alone with size. If an eccentric Kentish billionaire decided to buy the world's best players, would we consider Dover Athletic a big club? Is someone who is brain dead and on a life support machine alive in a meaningful way? Remove the support and their organs cannot continue. Similarly, Monaco as CL winners would be like an animated corpse. Remove the Middle Easter money and tax breaks and their crowd of 16,000 wouldn't keep them in the upper flight of the 7th/8th best league in the continent. Of course, spending power and the success it buys can attract long-term fans and help a club grow. Already Chelsea has much higher income than it would have done without Abramovich's investment.

I don't think history alone makes a club 'big'. Once a glorious history ceases to sustain large crowds, surely a club becomes 'once great'.

I'd say the ultimate test of a big club is one that can undergo several years of underachievement / financial difficulty while maintaining a large, loyal fan base. This is why I'd say e.g. Liverpool is an organically bigger club than Chelsea. But that isn't set in stone.

"Of course Crawley Town fans think they're club is biggest"

I'm pretty sure they don't, but the big difference is, they don't care.

I was talking to a bloke who works at Anfield last weekend. He said, during the summer Liverpool have 25 stadium tours per day. He also said Everton have 2 per week!!

I dont care either Henrys. Stil, no harm debating it, if it can be done properly.

To any true fan who goes to games his club is his life.

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When I was young, and full of bravado, I used to think the same way.

But having lived life a fair bit since those days, I find that kind of thinking a bit sad.

Despite an easy outlet here for a bit of wumming, Liverppool are still a big club. But the size of 'bigness' will shrink every year they go without a title and stay in that small stadium.

A team of Liverpools stature in the game should not be playing to only 45,000

A lot of the true fans are priced out of the game...

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Exactly VC, people who makes these sort of "it's my life" statements clearly have little else going on - a genuinely sad state of affairs, but acceptable for those of a younger age. There are fewer things more comically pathetic than a middle-aged man coming out with the same thing.

Don't get me wrong, I love football, but it's very much kept in perspective by the rest of my life.

liverpool are a bigger club then chelsea but chelsea can sign better players and has more success so its not important anyway who is a bigger club

HC/VC

I concur i love that word!

It pains me to say it but Utd were arguably a bigger club than us even in the 70's and 80's. Granada always showed a Utd season review every May. We got about 30 seconds if we were lucky.

HC

comment by KnottyAshTaxDodger (U8934)

Wow does tours of the stadium denote a clubs size now???.....It could be said the only time most Liverpool 'fans' actually go inside the stadium is during a tour.

Btw Scouse heart you know that was a typo and should have said Have I not I have.

So by some Liverpool fc supporters logic,the amount of stadium tours off season denotes whether a club is a big club or not.

Keep clutching at those straws lads

Btw Scouse heart you know that was a typo and should have said Have I not I have.
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and you now know what i think..????!!!

you are an AMAZING doctor Dr Phil!

Dr Phil's pure wound up

IT made no sense otherwise.....but being a Liverpool supporter I realise any victory no matter how small is a victory.Congrats scouse-heart you beat me due to my typo

In England only really Utd & Liverpool could be reasonably classed as truly " big " clubs to rank alongside the likes of Juventus,Barcelona,Bayern Munich,Real Madrid,AC Milan etc

How am I wound up knotty? get back to talking to your imaginary friend about the stadium tours,theone who knows about the attendances in both stadia