No system ever dies, simply the teams adopting them.
Spot on, Henrik.
Total football is a perfect example. Did it die? Or did Ajax and Holland no longer have the manager and players to play it to its optimum?
I think we can all agree catenaccio is dead though.
Football has always gone in cycles- and that's because it is hard to consistently reinvent yourself. It's even harder at International level when you cannot just address your problems by replacing players with those on the market that do suit your needs.
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Very true. I do insist though that there warning signs have been around way too long and that DB failed to address them when he ought to. In fairness to him though, it can't be easy to depart from a winning formula, you're always tempted to give it a final chance. Success is a bítch of a mistress.
thers simply haven't got an effing clue of what they're takling about. Given the right set of players, the original tiki-taka could still be quite devastating.
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Honestly what I think is people are just a bit too excited that the Spain/Barca is coming to an end to even have any meaningful discussion on the topic. That is why you will hardly find me discussing the matter outside this thread. There just isn't much sense there.
comment by ☺ Wumpatröl - I know you put in the hours to keep me in sunglasses... (U5046)
posted less than a minute ago
thers simply haven't got an effing clue of what they're takling about. Given the right set of players, the original tiki-taka could still be quite devastating.
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Honestly what I think is people are just a bit too excited that the Spain/Barca is coming to an end to even have any meaningful discussion on the topic. That is why you will hardly find me discussing the matter outside this thread. There just isn't much sense there.
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A lot of it is from the hostility towards Barcelona and Spain in general. Arsenal and Chelsea fans are particularly bad with this, I feel, simply because they played that Barcelona team.
"That was probably from my comment. What I am saying is that at this moment powerful play is the way to play against tiki-taka given the way the teams who have adopted tiki-taka have taken it to excess. If the likes of Del Bosque or Guardiola tweaked their team in terms of personnel then it could again come out on top.
But right now if the likes of Spain or Bayern Munich do not change then they will continue to be defeated by this style of play- assuming it too remains the same"
The rest of your comment is absolutely spot on but I think for this part it just comes back to not having the right personnel to play the system which Pep and Barca/Spain don't have to execute it like they did before.
Chelsea could beat them though. So there shouldn't be any hostility.
Us and Arsenal on the other hand.
Well that was just rape of epic proportions.
Yes, but even when Barcelona lost they took the moral high ground with people like Xavi etc. It really annoyed people- and the fact people hate teams who win things.
Yeah that's true.
Anyway I'm off. Enjoy the football. Come on England!
Honestly what I think is people are just a bit too excited that the Spain/Barca is coming to an end to even have any meaningful discussion on the topic. That is why you will hardly find me discussing the matter outside this thread. There just isn't much sense there.
--
I get the impression that there are a lot of people creeping out of the woodwork who criticised tiki-taka almost from the start just because it was some bunch of Johnny foreigners getting all the praise.
2 Euros, a World Cup and 2 CLs later, they're now rushing to say "See, I always said it was overrated and wouldn't work."
We beat them in one leg
Then van persie got sent off for shooting
Fabregas missed 3 or 4 great chances against that chelsea team, and now he's playing for them
I give up on football
Yeah, we really were robbed in that game weren't we? I was absolutely fuming after the game swearing that even if Spurs met Barca later in the tournament I would support Spurs Talk about being stupidly irrational!!!
“I feel bad, I’m disappointed but with enough courage to get over the defeat. We came out well and then the first half ended in a draw. The dressing room has responded well because we’re a squad of professionals and good guys, both those who’ve played and those that didn’t. There are not accusatory glares. There was an uplifting conversation and it’s good for the team. We have to talk about it." - Del Boy
comment by ☺ Wumpatröl - I know you put in the hours to keep me in sunglasses... (U5046)
posted 36 minutes ago
Yeah, we really were robbed in that game weren't we?
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No you weren't.
Van Persie was a total fúcking móron, not only for doing what he did
- which IS a bookable offence by the book - in an away game in front of 90,000 spectators putting the pressure on the ref for every single split decision, but because by that time he'd already made a unt of himself and the ref had let him off a red card in the first half. Any player with half a brain knows he should have kept a low profile after that, but not Robin the Petulant.
Other than that, how were you robbed? Wasn't that the game you didn't have a single shot on goal, while Barça had about 20 and at least a dozen between the sticks?
Do yourself a favour, stop fantasizing about that night and telling yourself tall stories about it.
Shut up you We were robbed and nothing you say is going to change that! He didn't hear the whistle! We were leading on aggregate and had kept them out really well but once we were down to 10 men, the game changed significantly.
I unfortunately agree with ioag, "robbed" is a bit of an exaggeration.
It was through our own idiocy we lost that game really, Fabregas back-heeling it to Iniesta in our own half (which led to their first goal) being a main example.
The Van Persie sending off was ridiculous, there's no other way of looking at that. However, his first booking was stupid, and with the Nou Cam baying for blood at times, it probably should have been expected.
After the sending off it was all them, they were carving us up for fun. Bendtner still had that chance at the end which he fluffed
wow..strife on la liga thread
IOAG is a secret Barca supporter.
Meanwhile in Northern Ireland - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/world-cup-2014-martin-mcguinness-draws-england-in-stormont-sweepstake-9495641.html
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posted on 14/6/14
No system ever dies, simply the teams adopting them.
posted on 14/6/14
Spot on, Henrik.
Total football is a perfect example. Did it die? Or did Ajax and Holland no longer have the manager and players to play it to its optimum?
I think we can all agree catenaccio is dead though.
posted on 14/6/14
Football has always gone in cycles- and that's because it is hard to consistently reinvent yourself. It's even harder at International level when you cannot just address your problems by replacing players with those on the market that do suit your needs.
--
Very true. I do insist though that there warning signs have been around way too long and that DB failed to address them when he ought to. In fairness to him though, it can't be easy to depart from a winning formula, you're always tempted to give it a final chance. Success is a bítch of a mistress.
posted on 14/6/14
Catenaccio died in 1967.
posted on 14/6/14
thers simply haven't got an effing clue of what they're takling about. Given the right set of players, the original tiki-taka could still be quite devastating.
--------------------------------------
Honestly what I think is people are just a bit too excited that the Spain/Barca is coming to an end to even have any meaningful discussion on the topic. That is why you will hardly find me discussing the matter outside this thread. There just isn't much sense there.
posted on 14/6/14
comment by ☺ Wumpatröl - I know you put in the hours to keep me in sunglasses... (U5046)
posted less than a minute ago
thers simply haven't got an effing clue of what they're takling about. Given the right set of players, the original tiki-taka could still be quite devastating.
--------------------------------------
Honestly what I think is people are just a bit too excited that the Spain/Barca is coming to an end to even have any meaningful discussion on the topic. That is why you will hardly find me discussing the matter outside this thread. There just isn't much sense there.
----------------------------------------------------------------------
A lot of it is from the hostility towards Barcelona and Spain in general. Arsenal and Chelsea fans are particularly bad with this, I feel, simply because they played that Barcelona team.
posted on 14/6/14
"That was probably from my comment. What I am saying is that at this moment powerful play is the way to play against tiki-taka given the way the teams who have adopted tiki-taka have taken it to excess. If the likes of Del Bosque or Guardiola tweaked their team in terms of personnel then it could again come out on top.
But right now if the likes of Spain or Bayern Munich do not change then they will continue to be defeated by this style of play- assuming it too remains the same"
The rest of your comment is absolutely spot on but I think for this part it just comes back to not having the right personnel to play the system which Pep and Barca/Spain don't have to execute it like they did before.
posted on 14/6/14
Chelsea could beat them though. So there shouldn't be any hostility.
Us and Arsenal on the other hand.
Well that was just rape of epic proportions.
posted on 14/6/14
Yes, but even when Barcelona lost they took the moral high ground with people like Xavi etc. It really annoyed people- and the fact people hate teams who win things.
posted on 14/6/14
Yeah that's true.
Anyway I'm off. Enjoy the football. Come on England!
posted on 14/6/14
posted on 14/6/14
Honestly what I think is people are just a bit too excited that the Spain/Barca is coming to an end to even have any meaningful discussion on the topic. That is why you will hardly find me discussing the matter outside this thread. There just isn't much sense there.
--
I get the impression that there are a lot of people creeping out of the woodwork who criticised tiki-taka almost from the start just because it was some bunch of Johnny foreigners getting all the praise.
2 Euros, a World Cup and 2 CLs later, they're now rushing to say "See, I always said it was overrated and wouldn't work."
posted on 14/6/14
I-ta-lia, I-ta-lia!
posted on 14/6/14
We beat them in one leg
Then van persie got sent off for shooting
posted on 14/6/14
Fabregas missed 3 or 4 great chances against that chelsea team, and now he's playing for them
I give up on football
posted on 14/6/14
Yeah, we really were robbed in that game weren't we? I was absolutely fuming after the game swearing that even if Spurs met Barca later in the tournament I would support Spurs Talk about being stupidly irrational!!!
posted on 14/6/14
“I feel bad, I’m disappointed but with enough courage to get over the defeat. We came out well and then the first half ended in a draw. The dressing room has responded well because we’re a squad of professionals and good guys, both those who’ve played and those that didn’t. There are not accusatory glares. There was an uplifting conversation and it’s good for the team. We have to talk about it." - Del Boy
posted on 14/6/14
comment by ☺ Wumpatröl - I know you put in the hours to keep me in sunglasses... (U5046)
posted 36 minutes ago
Yeah, we really were robbed in that game weren't we?
----------------------------------------------------------------------
No you weren't.
Van Persie was a total fúcking móron, not only for doing what he did
- which IS a bookable offence by the book - in an away game in front of 90,000 spectators putting the pressure on the ref for every single split decision, but because by that time he'd already made a unt of himself and the ref had let him off a red card in the first half. Any player with half a brain knows he should have kept a low profile after that, but not Robin the Petulant.
Other than that, how were you robbed? Wasn't that the game you didn't have a single shot on goal, while Barça had about 20 and at least a dozen between the sticks?
Do yourself a favour, stop fantasizing about that night and telling yourself tall stories about it.
posted on 14/6/14
Shut up you We were robbed and nothing you say is going to change that! He didn't hear the whistle! We were leading on aggregate and had kept them out really well but once we were down to 10 men, the game changed significantly.
posted on 14/6/14
posted on 14/6/14
posted on 14/6/14
I unfortunately agree with ioag, "robbed" is a bit of an exaggeration.
It was through our own idiocy we lost that game really, Fabregas back-heeling it to Iniesta in our own half (which led to their first goal) being a main example.
The Van Persie sending off was ridiculous, there's no other way of looking at that. However, his first booking was stupid, and with the Nou Cam baying for blood at times, it probably should have been expected.
After the sending off it was all them, they were carving us up for fun. Bendtner still had that chance at the end which he fluffed
posted on 14/6/14
wow..strife on la liga thread
posted on 14/6/14
IOAG is a secret Barca supporter.
posted on 14/6/14
Meanwhile in Northern Ireland - http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/world-cup-2014-martin-mcguinness-draws-england-in-stormont-sweepstake-9495641.html
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