https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Es-RIBnba8
SAF decided to fill most of the squad with youth team players.

comment by Posh Mufc Great Hafi Not Arrogant Just Better (U6578)
posted 2 minutes ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3Es-RIBnba8
SAF decided to fill most of the squad with youth team players.
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You're like a yappy dog.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1995%E2%80%9396_Manchester_United_F.C._season
Look at transfers in and out of that season. We really bought the double didn't we we?

hafi,

The class of 92 and signing cantona I agree, I've never said otherwise. Ive accused you of circumventing rules in the past to maximise your advantage at the same time which enables you to stay at the top (and enabled a world where a team finishing seventh like you or tenth like us can then go out and spend more and be more rewarded than a team that finished fifth)

Again, what has that got to do with the initial discussion, which was about recent performance and spending? Why are we just going back to the start of the PL in that case, can we go back further and do net spend including inflation over the course of both clubs existence?

I don't want to do that btw as that is as equally myopic and idiotic as doing it in the first place.

You feel dirty now?

Don't sink to that cretins level you are better than that

meltonblue that was my point we didn't spend much when the premierleague started with the big influx of money like people assume.

Haf in statistics, how many United games do you go to a season?

"meltonblue that was my point we didn't spend much when the premierleague started with the big influx of money like people assume."

I never said you did. I'm still not sure of the relevance, again, though.

LQ never been to OT before but going this Saturday.

Enjoy hafi

Try the sandwiches apparently they are better than the football

What's on this Saturday?

A charity football match

Is that the Beckham thing?

Yes got VIP tickets to that UNICEF charity match.
Manchester United legend David Beckham will captain a Great Britain and Ireland star line-up to play against a Rest of the World team led by Zinedine Zidane in a match at Old Trafford on Saturday 14 November to raise awareness and funds for UNICEF, the world’s leading children’s organisation.

The teams will be managed by two of the most respected and successful managers ever in the game, Sir Alex Ferguson and Carlo Ancelotti..

Will you be one of the mascots?

He's there on behalf of opta

It doesn't matter who's squad it was based on.
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What?!

You can't say we had the highest wage bill last season if you are actually using the figures from the season before!

That would be two seasons ago we had the biggest wage bill.

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And it was united with wages last year as well.
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Pretty sure it was you guys.

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The point is what we spent to get to the same level as you was completely irrelevant to the discussion at hand. The last five years has relevance because then you are comparing apples with apples.
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You can't discount spending on the basis of City being crap.

I am not wrong when I say City have spent a lot more than United because they were rubbish when they started their spending after the takeover.

Being rubbish doesn't somehow make the money you are spending reappear.

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Likewise, the inflation point is completely disproven when you actually look at the inflation rate in football.
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Inflation isn't going to near double our net spend to get it to your level, nowhere near.

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Also, we don't have the higher wage bill, you do
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That may have been true a couple of years back.

And I wouldn't compare any clubs net spend unless they had the same starting point as it is utterly idiotic as, as I keep saying, football is not an open market.
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Not sure how any of that invalidates my original point about City have spent hell of a lot more.

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Utterly idiotic, you mean saf!
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If you double your brain power year on year I think you'd be at the level by the end of the century.

Enjoy Hafster!

Your wage bill was higher last season and this season (and the season before considering how wage bills are accounted for - you shunted all of your support staff across to your subsidiary). All of that is in the public domain, not newspaper headlines, but in the published accounts.

If you can't see how the comment that football isn't an open market invalidates your point, then I have no idea what your point is and how you can compare net spend. Are you saying that all of the actions I said earlier had no impact? Let's forget us, do you think spurs spending the same amount as you should equal the same improvement?

Also, as I said earlier, our entire club in 1994 was valued at 8 million. I really don't know where you are getting your inflation figures from, as they really don't add up. Look at the inflationary rise in wages and turnover in the nineties and early noughties. Again, that is in the public domain, it's in Pay as you Play.

Your point was still irrelevant. What we did post take over has no bearing on what we and you have done over the past five years

I'll reiterate again though. Inflation has more than quadrupled the average wage bill, transfer fee and revenue of clubs in just the last 15 years (which takes us back to the turn of the decade). Before that, the seven years previous saw an even higher level of inflation so where are you getting your figures from?

The plcs that were in place at the time have all their records lodged at companies house so I'd be intrigued to see what you are judging this on.

Sorry, meant to say turn of the century rather than decade there.

Your wage bill was higher last season and this season (and the season before considering how wage bills are accounted for - you shunted all of your support staff across to your subsidiary). All of that is in the public domain, not newspaper headlines, but in the published accounts.
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We have already published our accounts from this year?!

And I am not sure I would count support staff towards the wage bill, its all about the playing staff, although given the Glaziers generous pay cheques they give themselves I can understand why you would want to.

I am guessing that it what actually makes the difference, given the original comment was in relation to spending compared to success then you would only put the playing staff wages there to assess how well the are doing on the pitch for their money.

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If you can't see how the comment that football isn't an open market invalidates your point, then I have no idea what your point is and how you can compare net spend.
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My point is and always has been City have spent a lot more.

The football not being an open market works in a number of ways, bigger teams will often get charged a bigger premium to buy a player off a smaller team, smaller teams have the advantage of being able to bring less talented players into the first team with less pressure on them.

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Also, as I said earlier, our entire club in 1994 was valued at 8 million.
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If this was any other poser I would accuse them of trying to confuse the subject by bringing in irrelevant information.

Man United was more valuable than Chelsea last year, despite Chelsea being a much better team. A clubs value is made up of much more than the value of its players.

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I really don't know where you are getting your inflation figures from, as they really don't add up.
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I am not the one trying to claim nearly a third of a billion difference (which isn't far off double our net spend) can be made up through inflation alone. It doesn't even come close.

You do realise that not only does United's spending get bigger with inflation, but so do our sales. We'd usually make some decent sales with SAF hence our low net spend figure (compared to some)

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Your point was still irrelevant. What we did post take over has no bearing on what we and you have done over the past five years
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Of course it does, you still have players from before the takeover let alone the date of the takeover.

The only reason to use such a short time frame as 5 years is if you have an agenda to push.

Have you not sold players in the past 5 years that were bought during the previous 5? do you not still have players in the team that were bought during the previous 5?!

Hell why not just cut it down to one year and claim Newcastle are massive spenders whilst Chelsea are very frugal!?

Because its inaccurate and makes no sense, Newcastle scrimped and saved for a few years before their recent big blowout, Chelsea more the opposite but its only by taking a longer term view we can see this, the only reason to take the short term view in this example is to make Newcastle look bad (or Chelsea look good I guess)

(Not sure if Newcastle actually spent more than Chelsea but you get the idea)

Yes there has been lots of inflation, but as I have pointed out you don't just inflate United's spending figures.

You also inflate our sales.

You also inflate the spending of other clubs.

So no the difference isn't going to add up to nearly doubling our net spend whilst having no affect on City's figures, the idea it could is ludicrous!