Mick

Double standards.

I haven't had the chance to read through the paper yet. Some of the things i'd be looking to find out more about are:

Welfare Policy - we have a high percentage of our population claiming benefits, how are we going to deal with the issue

Defence Policy

Investment & Jobs

Education & Healthcare

Politicians v other occupations, if a mechanic says he'll fix ma caur n fails he's sacked, yet politicians get five years tae lean oan their shovels, when new WANs ur elected they quickly learn the same trick!

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comment by Drunken Hobo (U7360)
posted 6 minutes ago
"op yer a Coq smoker"

Close, I'm currently eating chorizo, which is a smoked sausage.

Don't take the video too personally, what would a Scottish football forum be without petty digs at each other?

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aye fair enough bud

apoligies


whats applepine btw?

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http://www.apple-pine.com/

Nacho (Worked for Zico anyway)

Glad someone else said it, no idea what Applepine is either. Sounds like an air freshener.

LittleMissCeltic (I'm neither little or single but i do like Celtic) (U8502) posted 2 minutes ago
I haven't had the chance to read through the paper yet. Some of the things i'd be looking to find out more about are:

Welfare Policy - we have a high percentage of our population claiming benefits, how are we going to deal with the issue

Defence Policy

Investment & Jobs

Education & Healthcare

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Taxation (see Norway similar country)

Salmond arrogantly thought Europe would accept us without any questions. Not so.

The misguidance over the renewable energy programme.

The Central Belt will effectively become the new Westmister to the detriment of other parts of Scotland. This is where the majority of the population is and is definitely going to happen no matter what the clowns tell you.

In effect I want to see an independent review by experts (economists, national experts, plans for once the North Sea has become depleted of oil and gas reserves. Won't affect me coz I'll be long gone but will impact on my children and their children.

An idependent review is what I want so can weigh up the issues as I am not decided yet. Idon't want to be reading politicized slants from those with vested interests

So far it's basically just been point scoring and always will be with politicians.

This took me a while to type up so it has probably or most of the points already been covered....

Currently reading a book which has a few chapters allocated to economic,political and voter predictions. So this is all quite interesting to me.

The major issue particularly for the SNP(and from what I gather this white paper) is the assumptions on which plans are based leave no room for non-sunny day situations. It is an "if all planets aligned" kind of policy. I don't know if that really helps their pro independence cause.

They attribute zero chance of being forced into the Euro to become part of the EU. Or the assumption the BoE will facilitate an independent Scotland in keeping the pound.

For the document to hold weight. There has to be some probability applied to each one of those situations. As if such a think were to happen, it results in major rethink and rework to the economic outlook and budgets.

There are also what look like macro economic policies such as free child care and the implications that will result in lots more women deciding to work as a result. Or even the pro policy toward immigration to ensure pensions for an ageing population can be paid. Again there should be forecasts outlining best and worst case scenarios in terms of cost of provision and the tax receipts achievable.

I would have thought it pragmatic and in some ways a tincture to lesson the sting of the No campaign. If the SNP were to accept fairly major levels of uncertainty over certain things and propose mitigations for such scenarios.

Who pays for the "independent review", remember whoever pays the piper calls the tune!

The Piper At The Gates Of Dawn.

Great title for a song

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In fairness, alot of what I've seen of the White Paper looks in many ways more like a manifesto than an outline of what may happen on independence, which is disappointing.

An idependent review is what I want so can weigh up the issues as I am not decided yet. Idon't want to be reading politicized slants from those with vested interests

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i agree

im also getting pig sick listening to "celebs" weighing in on the debate

their opinions shouldnt matter a fak to normal people, regardless of what happens, these Cants will be still be rich enough to live a life without really being affected either way

On the occasions I read the the BoE quarterly reports including the forcasts. They will specify cones probabilities that even quarter to quarter and can be considerably inaccurate. For example the recent drops in unemployment were probably pegged at less then 5% probability just a a few months ago.

Even the reporting of the BoE economic figures can end out getting revised a few weeks later with margin of error 30% not being uncommon.

I would have though unless Salmond has some Oracle up in some highland mountain. There sure needs to be an acceptance of high degrees of uncertainty over their own forecasts(Given they are talking at 3-40 year outlooks). I don't know if there is any shame in that.

In fairness, alot of what I've seen of the White Paper looks in many ways more like a manifesto than an outline of what may happen on independence, which is disappointing.
FFS, Toiler you read that tat, n that's yir conclusion, 30 seconds of news this morning told us it wiz a manifesto!

Double standards ma hole

Don't see digs gettin fired at anycant else

Sorry Toilet it wiz Ivan!

I'm looking forward to the no campaigns white paper on how things will improve if we stay as part of broken britain.

I bet it will be brilliant.

Toiler - No gaurantee the UK will stay in the EU either. However nobody has said that an independent Scotland can't remain part of it.

Don't know what you mean about renewable energy.

Even if that turns out to be the case, it's still favourable to Westminster rule.

Difficult to have an independent review, and even when you do get one both sides claim victory. But the oil will run out whether we're in the UK or not. Better we spend it here rather than spreading it around the UK.

"Double standards ma hole

Don't see digs gettin fired at anycant else"

Aye but naebody is else is pyoor English Scots n aw that.

Much reverential reference is made tae Economists and their forecasts, which in ma experience are a waste a pen n ink. Them wi their formulae n scatter plot diagrams. Kin yi imagine gone intae ra bookies n saying a want a bet a pun oan ra 2.30 but it's goat tae be ma scatter plot! Aye get tae!

It would be in Scotland's interest to keep the pound, while the Bank of England would continue as "lender of last resort".

and thats called being independent!

comment by Fido Malamute (U16198)
posted 2 minutes ago
Much reverential reference is made tae Economists and their forecasts, which in ma experience are a waste a pen n ink. Them wi their formulae n scatter plot diagrams. Kin yi imagine gone intae ra bookies n saying a want a bet a pun oan ra 2.30 but it's goat tae be ma scatter plot! Aye get tae!
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Fido totally agree. Which is why the Yes guys should be coming out with: "Of course there are significant levels of uncertainty, as the very act of making a country independent is non trivial both politically and economically"

Surely there is no shame from the SNP in holding their hands up to that fact?