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Murder is, Kayal. No matter what your particular cause may be
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That's just not true. Plenty of murders are justified or justifiable.
Rifht wing? Sorry I dont think innocent civilians should of ever been targeted.
Random murders of the innocent, is that justified?
comment by Bluedroog - Bring Back Smokewheel Pizza Lover ... (U17596)
posted 14 minutes ago
Ttliv - no one is question his cause, but it doesn't justify what he did.
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I'd say the changes made in the end outweigh the negative. South Africa today would be very different today without him, and many other nations who followed suit.
comment by Bluedroog - Bring Back Smokewheel Pizza Lover aka Angelina Jolie is beautiful (U17596)
posted 22 seconds ago
Random murders of the innocent, is that justified?
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What about innocent victims of illegal wars in the name of regime change? Is that ok because after all it's war?
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Just incredible, came on here to send a great man my wishes, and yet it's turned into another dumb argument which has nothing to do with any thing.
A man has died, clear off if you want to argue.
No its not okay you idiot.
comment by Bennyville ~Hysteric about the Eriks~ (U8058)
posted 1 minute ago
Just incredible, came on here to send a great man my wishes, and yet it's turned into another dumb argument which has nothing to do with any thing.
A man has died, clear off if you want to argue.
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Where has bluedroog said the regime was good? He hasnt.
The end justified he means, yes.
How many innocent Germans and Japanese died in world war two? Do you question the acts of terrorism by the British army in that situation? If not, why not?
Innocent people die in every conflict, that doesn't mean to belittle their lives or say it doesn't matter, but some things are more important than lives of individuals.
What choice did Mandela and the ANC have? No democratic rights, oppressed, trapped in poverty.
Fair play to him. Gandhi might have achieved his aims peacefully but SA could have had a really bloody revolution was it not for Mandela.
Anyway, i'm taking Bennyville's sentiments on board. R.I.P.
Woukd you say that if it was your son or daughter?
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Busby - it is an interesting point but not one I can agree with, it is a dangerous route to take to say terrible things can be justified if you value you them more than the victims.
It isn't a far comparison anyway because to measure one against the other would suggest changed wouldn't have happened anyway albeit much slower. You can make changes the right way.
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The vile rascist regime had to be opposed and those that backed it, and those apologists of that regime.
Mandela when released from prison when he had the mandate and power to do whatever he wanted, he did the right thing, not just once, but over and over again.
This, the absolute power that he had, to not be consumed by it but rather be humbled by it makes him a great man.
Even though it is a ridiculous statement, I'll bite.
Of course you would be devestated if someone you loved died in such a way, but knowing that it would make a difference to millions of people subjected to immesurable suffering on a scale you couldn't imagine, you could understand that the end justified the means.
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Those asking the re civilian casualties of war
, while I've stated no opinion on that. (Because I'd need to write an essay) there is one crucial difference, the civilians are not targeted, as they we're by Mandela.
Civilian casualties in Iraq for example where in part to blame on saddam, the evil man tactfully housed his weapon making factories next to schools in order to A) discourage attacks but also B) if casualties happened he'd also have propaganda to use.
comment by Cal - I wish I could play like Kent Carlevi (U11544)
posted 9 minutes ago
Calling Mandela a terrorist is defending that regime.The racists thugs in charge.
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No it is not, you are making assumptions to suit your agenda.
I'll say it again, no one is questioning the cause, just the method.
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posted on 5/12/13
Murder is, Kayal. No matter what your particular cause may be
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That's just not true. Plenty of murders are justified or justifiable.
posted on 5/12/13
Rifht wing? Sorry I dont think innocent civilians should of ever been targeted.
posted on 5/12/13
Random murders of the innocent, is that justified?
posted on 5/12/13
comment by Bluedroog - Bring Back Smokewheel Pizza Lover ... (U17596)
posted 14 minutes ago
Ttliv - no one is question his cause, but it doesn't justify what he did.
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I'd say the changes made in the end outweigh the negative. South Africa today would be very different today without him, and many other nations who followed suit.
posted on 5/12/13
comment by Bluedroog - Bring Back Smokewheel Pizza Lover aka Angelina Jolie is beautiful (U17596)
posted 22 seconds ago
Random murders of the innocent, is that justified?
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What about innocent victims of illegal wars in the name of regime change? Is that ok because after all it's war?
posted on 5/12/13
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posted on 5/12/13
Just incredible, came on here to send a great man my wishes, and yet it's turned into another dumb argument which has nothing to do with any thing.
A man has died, clear off if you want to argue.
posted on 5/12/13
No its not okay you idiot.
posted on 5/12/13
Nels Finally at rest,
posted on 5/12/13
comment by Bennyville ~Hysteric about the Eriks~ (U8058)
posted 1 minute ago
Just incredible, came on here to send a great man my wishes, and yet it's turned into another dumb argument which has nothing to do with any thing.
A man has died, clear off if you want to argue.
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posted on 5/12/13
Where has bluedroog said the regime was good? He hasnt.
posted on 5/12/13
The end justified he means, yes.
How many innocent Germans and Japanese died in world war two? Do you question the acts of terrorism by the British army in that situation? If not, why not?
Innocent people die in every conflict, that doesn't mean to belittle their lives or say it doesn't matter, but some things are more important than lives of individuals.
posted on 5/12/13
What choice did Mandela and the ANC have? No democratic rights, oppressed, trapped in poverty.
Fair play to him. Gandhi might have achieved his aims peacefully but SA could have had a really bloody revolution was it not for Mandela.
posted on 5/12/13
Anyway, i'm taking Bennyville's sentiments on board. R.I.P.
posted on 5/12/13
Woukd you say that if it was your son or daughter?
posted on 5/12/13
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posted on 5/12/13
Busby - it is an interesting point but not one I can agree with, it is a dangerous route to take to say terrible things can be justified if you value you them more than the victims.
It isn't a far comparison anyway because to measure one against the other would suggest changed wouldn't have happened anyway albeit much slower. You can make changes the right way.
posted on 5/12/13
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posted on 5/12/13
The vile rascist regime had to be opposed and those that backed it, and those apologists of that regime.
Mandela when released from prison when he had the mandate and power to do whatever he wanted, he did the right thing, not just once, but over and over again.
This, the absolute power that he had, to not be consumed by it but rather be humbled by it makes him a great man.
posted on 5/12/13
Even though it is a ridiculous statement, I'll bite.
Of course you would be devestated if someone you loved died in such a way, but knowing that it would make a difference to millions of people subjected to immesurable suffering on a scale you couldn't imagine, you could understand that the end justified the means.
posted on 5/12/13
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posted on 5/12/13
Those asking the re civilian casualties of war
, while I've stated no opinion on that. (Because I'd need to write an essay) there is one crucial difference, the civilians are not targeted, as they we're by Mandela.
Civilian casualties in Iraq for example where in part to blame on saddam, the evil man tactfully housed his weapon making factories next to schools in order to A) discourage attacks but also B) if casualties happened he'd also have propaganda to use.
posted on 5/12/13
comment by Cal - I wish I could play like Kent Carlevi (U11544)
posted 9 minutes ago
Calling Mandela a terrorist is defending that regime.The racists thugs in charge.
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No it is not, you are making assumptions to suit your agenda.
I'll say it again, no one is questioning the cause, just the method.
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