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If a minority ever takr ovet this country and deny me the right to vote, deny my children an education and tell me where I can ot cannot go, then I hope a group of 'terrorists' campaign for change.

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comment by Cal - I wish I could play like Kent Carlevi (U11544)
posted 51 seconds ago
I want those accusing Mandela to provide the facts about this incident.Come on tell me I'm all ears.

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Leader of an organisation that commited terrorist attacks....

Did he ever condone the attacks that the group carried out?

Yes or No Cal....simple question?

The fool they get to carry out the bombing may get convicted but the mastermind, funder and co conspirators are not any less responsible.

comment by Cal - I wish I could play like Kent Carlevi (U11544)
posted 54 seconds ago
Rap accuse but they can't back anything up with facts.

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And neither can you, you just want to force your opinion on people who have different feelings about this 'saint'

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Arouna - You definitely sound like an apartheid apologist, you discredit the man who trashed the racist regime, have you been to SA do you know about hendrik verwoet? PW botha i dont hear you discredit them?

comment by Blackbeards Delight (U17561)
posted 53 seconds ago
The fool they get to carry out the bombing may get convicted but the mastermind, funder and co conspirators are not any less responsible.

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I dont want to use other 'leaders' as an example here. Tony Blair is about the least evil who can be blamed for sending troups on a false war.

He has the blood of innocents on his hands, in the same way mandela does for teh ANC attacks.

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comment by EagleRed (U13983)
posted 1 minute ago
Arouna - You definitely sound like an apartheid apologist, you discredit the man who trashed the racist regime, have you been to SA do you know about hendrik verwoet? PW botha i dont hear you discredit them?

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Yes or No?

You are avoiding a question here.

Cant anyone read, I dont have a problem with hitting goverment targets of the regime, but civilians got targeted aswell

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They were a militia group, fighting against the power of the government, with relatively little financial and organisational skills. Of course they can't just target government targets.

When the odds are stacked against you, you have to get dirty. Its like Barcelona playing Bradford. Bradford are not going to beat them by playing nice.

The point is that fighting apartheid and racism is most definitely on the side of good. They had to do some bad things to defeat the bad, but they are more than justifiable in the grand scheme of things.

Innocent people will always die when violence is involved. Mandela lived in a black community which had experienced white violence for hundreds of years. I can certainly forgive him for using a bit back.

The ANC was banned from SA but was allowed to continue operating from the UK - Does that mean it was (and still is) a terrorist organisation?

Arouna- what do you think?? i never once heard u discredit an apartheid leader but you discredit the man who crushed that regime? you do the math shouldnt be that hard! what do u know about apartheid and the people who suffered from it? answer my question do you know Hendrik Verwoet or PW botha?

I havent seen anyone complain about govrrment targets only civilian targets...

I havent seen anyone complain about govrrment targets only civilian targets...

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Do you think we didn't kill any civilians in the 2nd world war?

I didn't see arouna discredit anyone. Nor me.

My sole point is this. He is not the saint people make him out to be. He did many great things but many horrific things, if people can accept that because the good outweighs the bad that's their opinion.

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comment by EagleRed (U13983)
posted 24 seconds ago
Arouna- what do you think?? i never once heard u discredit an apartheid leader but you discredit the man who crushed that regime? you do the math shouldnt be that hard! what do u know about apartheid and the people who suffered from it? answer my question do you know Hendrik Verwoet or PW botha?

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That was never the discussion point was it? Are you saying as I never mentioned anyone else that by assumption I supported the regime? That is a very blinkered and assumption driven view you have managed to derive from a few posts.

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I've not seen Arouna condone or praise an aparteid leader,BUT I have seen you condone and praise a convicted TERRORIST.

Go figure

As the guy who chopped off the soliders head of the othrr month said 'it wont be david cameron that gets hurt, it will you the average man'

comment by Cal - I wish I could play like Kent Carlevi (U11544)
posted 0 seconds ago
I'm still waiting for those who accuse Mandela of killing people to name one incident that he was involved in.

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Prove to me he wasn't involved cal. As many have stated you cant wash your hands of something if you did actually commit the act. If you supply the means to do this then you are involved!

comment by phil neville has three left feet (U13806)
posted 51 seconds ago
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I've not seen Arouna condone or praise an aparteid leader

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Correct Phil, but assumption is a wonderful thing for EagleRed

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