comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 56 seconds ago
This was in the aftermath of Sharpsville and it makes it pretty clear where Britain stood on Apattheid at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_134
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Take your pick of the 156 he pleaded guilty too.
You have a convenient disconnect from such atrocities, this is down to yours and your families personal experience and may be seen as an acceptable evil for the greater good. I accept that.
I won't accept this saintly media propaganda about the man in my view any form of violence whatever the cause cannot be dismissed so lightly.
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I too leave the debate on that.
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I too will take a break. Very interesting debate so far, I'll look back later to see if any of Mandela's detractors have actually come up with some facts about the 'terrorist' accusations.
My only problem with Mandela was that he was too forgiving. As soon as he came to power, he should have crushed and kicked out all those who supported apartheid. He let them off far too easily.
Read his book "Long Walk to Freedom" he states he signed off the church street bombing. 19 died that day. 217 wounded.
I'll leave it with that.
Very interesting debate, it is interesting to see people's perspectives as it really does call a lot of things into question.
In a children's book the moral of the story is very clear. There are goodies and baddies.
As you get older stories get more developed - the people set out to be baddies actually end up being the goodies.
In real life so much of it is down to interpretation and who is telling the story.
He was involved in terrorist activities, that is unquestionable. Do the ends justify the means? that is up to everyone to decide for themselves.
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Cal maybe so but Mandela himself wrote in his book that he whilst in prison signed off on that bombing.
Are you questioning this great man in your eyes honesty and integrity? Is he a liar?
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Why don't you go read it. It's called research.
Cal is in a bit of a denial stage at the moment and even if you give him the page number he will question if Nelson actually wrote it and demand proof showing Nelson's handwriting.
Show that and he'll no doubt demand video evidence.You can't win Blackbeard
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Cal, you're basing your defence solely on "did he pull the actual trigger" The answer is probably no, however as leader of the ANC he absolutely pulled the metaphorical trigger and to say otherwise is very naive.
I’m not condemning NM in fact the dead opposite, my opinion of the man himself is one of great admiration and respect.
You however seem to be letting the romance of the mans life story seriously cloud the actual facts and your opinion.
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I've just ordered the book and hopefully I can read it before the hype-laden film is released.
There's plenty of Right Wing websites using the 'signed off' expression about the bombing but like this article there are no direct quotes from his book.
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Because you terrorise your oppressors and enemies, it doesn't necessarily make you a terrorist.
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Can someone tell me how a man under 24 hour guard,on in a maximum security prison, situated on a remote island can orchestrate a complex terror campaign and run a political party in the days before mobile phones and the internet.
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posted on 6/12/13
comment by Boris "Inky" Gibson (U5901)
posted 56 seconds ago
This was in the aftermath of Sharpsville and it makes it pretty clear where Britain stood on Apattheid at the time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Nations_Security_Council_Resolution_134
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Shameful
posted on 6/12/13
Take your pick of the 156 he pleaded guilty too.
You have a convenient disconnect from such atrocities, this is down to yours and your families personal experience and may be seen as an acceptable evil for the greater good. I accept that.
I won't accept this saintly media propaganda about the man in my view any form of violence whatever the cause cannot be dismissed so lightly.
posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
I too leave the debate on that.
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posted on 6/12/13
I too will take a break. Very interesting debate so far, I'll look back later to see if any of Mandela's detractors have actually come up with some facts about the 'terrorist' accusations.
posted on 6/12/13
My only problem with Mandela was that he was too forgiving. As soon as he came to power, he should have crushed and kicked out all those who supported apartheid. He let them off far too easily.
posted on 6/12/13
Read his book "Long Walk to Freedom" he states he signed off the church street bombing. 19 died that day. 217 wounded.
I'll leave it with that.
posted on 6/12/13
Very interesting debate, it is interesting to see people's perspectives as it really does call a lot of things into question.
In a children's book the moral of the story is very clear. There are goodies and baddies.
As you get older stories get more developed - the people set out to be baddies actually end up being the goodies.
In real life so much of it is down to interpretation and who is telling the story.
He was involved in terrorist activities, that is unquestionable. Do the ends justify the means? that is up to everyone to decide for themselves.
posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
Cal maybe so but Mandela himself wrote in his book that he whilst in prison signed off on that bombing.
Are you questioning this great man in your eyes honesty and integrity? Is he a liar?
posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
Why don't you go read it. It's called research.
posted on 6/12/13
Cal is in a bit of a denial stage at the moment and even if you give him the page number he will question if Nelson actually wrote it and demand proof showing Nelson's handwriting.
Show that and he'll no doubt demand video evidence.You can't win Blackbeard
posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
Cal, you're basing your defence solely on "did he pull the actual trigger" The answer is probably no, however as leader of the ANC he absolutely pulled the metaphorical trigger and to say otherwise is very naive.
I’m not condemning NM in fact the dead opposite, my opinion of the man himself is one of great admiration and respect.
You however seem to be letting the romance of the mans life story seriously cloud the actual facts and your opinion.
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posted on 6/12/13
I've just ordered the book and hopefully I can read it before the hype-laden film is released.
There's plenty of Right Wing websites using the 'signed off' expression about the bombing but like this article there are no direct quotes from his book.
posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
Because you terrorise your oppressors and enemies, it doesn't necessarily make you a terrorist.
posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
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posted on 6/12/13
Can someone tell me how a man under 24 hour guard,on in a maximum security prison, situated on a remote island can orchestrate a complex terror campaign and run a political party in the days before mobile phones and the internet.
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