come on Don where are u

Chronic

chicken is an exact example of the problem I am talking about.

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So you would rather play a spare part, just because he had a decent, but very short, spell at Roma, which is a club who play in a totally separate league, in a country where the football is different to the Premiership? And you have the cheek to call other people "thick"….

I wouldn’t be quite as insulting to a general opinion on the forum, however, I would personally suggest (as a general matter of opinion) that anyone who would suggest giving preferential treatment, after watching several poor performances from a particular player, which is likely to have a negative impact on future results and our club as a whole, is not only “thick” but also daft, stupid and very naive.

Suggesting we select players based on reputation or price tag is as daft as it gets on a football forum. Then again, please step forward Chronic, JA member number U3423.

fridge,

Chicken, some players are given more chances than others. They're paid more too. Football isn't always about equals. When a player comes along supposedly worth 30 million at 21, you have to justify the cost and have faith in the very same player you considered worthy of being the club's most expensive signing ever.

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I disagree. Once each player is in the squad, their value becomes irrelevant. By this token, Bentley (bought for £15m-odd) should have played whenever fit over £1m bought Lennon.

This is simply ridiculous.

There should be no pecking order for age, nationality, reputation, transfer fee, caps, or anything else. The only thing that talks is what these players do on the pitch.

And as it stands (and i'm not writing him off), Lamela is very much behind other players. I categorically cannot accept that teams should be picked on anything other than merit and ability. Lamela has had his chances to shine - he simply hasnt. So he, along with Holtby, Eriksen, Siggy, Townsend etc, have to take their chances when it comes.

No player, in any club, in any league in the world, should be favoured because of money.

I disagree. Once each player is in the squad, their value becomes irrelevant. By this token, Bentley (bought for £15m-odd) should have played whenever fit over £1m bought Lennon.

This is simply ridiculous.

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You're ridiculous for taking the debate to the extreme to suit your own point of view. No-one is dating Lamela should start every game because of how much he cost, but a few full games to give him a chance. It's really very simple, he won't fulfil his potential on the bench.

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Besides, money itself is not the point - it's WHY we spent so much on him. Having read a few of your posts I realised why i filtered you in the first place

chicken. you are missing the point yet again you argumentative caaant

I like an argument but you never get anywhere with him.. ah well, good to know some things never change I guess.

There should be no pecking order for age, nationality, reputation, transfer fee, caps, or anything else. The only thing that talks is what these players do on the pitch
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Can't really claim any of our midfielders have done the business this season so based on performances they all deserve a shot at it. Obviously not privy to who's showing they've got it in training.

Wonder how much he's on per week to do sod all.

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Wonder how much he's on per week to do sod all.
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No idea. Let's play a game

More or less than you lost on Andy Carroll?

I think he'd be on more per week than Andy Carroll, at a club that has less means.

I don't know, as a young player he wouldn't be a top earner, and we are usually prudent.. I'd guess he's on around 30k.

A quick Google reveals Lamela is on around 65k, Carroll was on 80k at Liverpool

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No-one is dating Lamela should start every game because of how much he cost

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There have certainly been suggestions that he should play because of his price tag, or his reputation, and not on merit.

If you cant see how stupid that is, then its not me who is the ridiculous one.


Chronic,

I see you haven't changed your stance from "If your opinion differs from mine then you are "thick"".

I would have thought you would have learned by now that your opinions usually turn out to be a load of cráp, and gone for more of a "This is my reasons because X, Y and Z" instead.

Not that it will change how stupid your comments are, but its just a slightly better form of debating.

Lion-el

Can't really claim any of our midfielders have done the business this season

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I would say that the majority of them have looked up to the pace of the game and have certainly coped quite well. Lamela hasnt adjusted very well at all. Maybe he will, maybe he never will, that we dont know. One thing i do know is, he has not looked anywhere near good enough when he has played and for that reason alone he doesnt deserve to play in front of anyone else.

I'd play him in the EL and also games where we are comfortably in the lead, but he doesnt deserve to start and he certainly doesnt deserve a run of games from the evidence i have seen.

Just my opinion, mind..

Chicken

What merit did Sherwood apply to play Ade? His glorious form of last season, or his reputation?

The debate is more complicated than "play him cos he costs loads" and of course that is faulty reasoning.. however we did pay that money for a reason.. his talent shown for his previous club in a top European league.

Chadli has been the definition of average imo, and just like Moyes has with Januzaj over their average wingers, if we give him a chance he could be a revelation. Alternatively we could stick with this lot, who are obviously in great form (sarcasm) and send our record signing on loan just so Tim doesn't have to think about formations and stuff.. triffic.

Each to their own, but I can't honestly say that any of Lennon, siggy, chadli, lamela or Townsend have impressed me this season. They've all got no valid complaint about being dropped

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What merit did Sherwood apply to play Ade? His glorious form of last season, or his reputation?

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Ade? As in the proven Premiership player? I would have thought he would have used his personal experience of watching him being unplayable, scoring goals, handling the pace of Premiership football, and many other things.

You're also missing my point. I'm not saying Chadli is better, equal or worse than Lamela, i'm simply saying that the analogy that a player is worthy of a team place based on what they have done or achieved in a different league is a naive one (IMO).

I also think Soldado is proof of this. There are many strikers in this league who will outscore Soldado this season. Soldado might have a glowing reputation in a different league with different styles and approach to the game, yet this actually counts for nothing if you cannot perform in the league we, THFC, play in.

For the record, i am not writing any of these players off - just elaborating and giving evidence for my reasoning.

Carroll on more than Lamela.. glad we got rid of him then! Still managed to get us to a trophy and FA cup final which recompensed some of the outlay.

Lamela can't even get a game v West Ham!

Lion-el

Each to their own, but I can't honestly say that any of Lennon, siggy, chadli, lamela or Townsend have impressed me this season. They've all got no valid complaint about being dropped

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I dont think any player has a right to play and no player should be un-dropable (i dont think that is a word but hey ).

However, i do think players should earn their team selection on merit - not simply by what they may have done in a different league, in a totally separate country.

Lamela, like Holtby, Siggy, Townsend etc, has been given starts, sub appearances, starts against lesser opposition in the EL etc, yet Lamela has failed (so far) to prove himself.

This doesnt mean he wont, but as of today i dont think he deserves a run of games - not at a possible expense of the team.

Lloris said in the paper today that he thanks AVB for leaving him out the team as it gave him a chance to watch and learn - maybe this is what Lamela needs too - and hopefully Soldado as well.

Lets hope they do - then we'll all be happy.

West Ham are still paying him 80k apparently

Chicken.. I agree with you on Soldado, he seems to play regardless of form which is why I'm so puzzled Lamela can't get a game.

So you agree Ade is starting on reputation - albeit a reputation marred by a terrible attitude off the pitch and a shocking season last time out.. he's only unplayable when it suits him, Sherwood got lucky.

Chadli is on an even footing in terms of experience of the league with Lamela, Capoue, Eriksen.. yet the young Argie is left out.. hopefully we'll all be able to look back on this and laugh when he fulfils his potential at Spurs.

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Chicken, that was not aimed at you by the way before you get all defensive mate. I'm just talking spurs fans in general who are writing him off and I'm venting my frustration