I have been behind Kagawa from day one, there were many (and i mean many) on here saying otherwise, now everyone seems to be of the opinion that he should be starting, laughable really.
Kagawa is a quality, quality footballer, alot of our best football has come with him in the team. Pity though as it looks like Moyes doesnt fancy him and might well be being sold in the summer and we will have to watch him flourish elsewhere.
Some of those passes proposed would have been quite risky but the Ashley Young 'highlights' are just brutal. Been seen for a long time that Rooney does not have the creativity to act as playmaker, 30 yards pass to the right 9 times out of 10.
comment by PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have been behind Kagawa from day one, there were many (and i mean many) on here saying otherwise, now everyone seems to be of the opinion that he should be starting, laughable really.
Kagawa is a quality, quality footballer, alot of our best football has come with him in the team. Pity though as it looks like Moyes doesnt fancy him and might well be being sold in the summer and we will have to watch him flourish elsewhere.
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His movement in this match its just unreal. With the current shenanigans of RVP, I will advocate for this guy, Mata and Rooney playing together.
Also probably been on here before somewhere but quite good:
@evilkagwa
"Everybody say "Why Kagawa no making assist? Why Kagawa no making assist?" Hmmm, I wonder why I no making assist?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VWo15oL7o4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
Benched (U7195)
You have to take risks to win games! Top defenders can defend easy chances from the wing most of the time. Players like Kagawa take risks because they can cause mayhem in the oppositions defense as they are unexpected. They may not work sometimes but you have to take risks as a top player. safe is not good enough.
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of those passes proposed would have been quite risky but the Ashley Young 'highlights' are just brutal. Been seen for a long time that Rooney does not have the creativity to act as playmaker, 30 yards pass to the right 9 times out of 10.
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Risky? For players paid up to 300k. These are passes Coutinho, silva, Toure, Suarez, centre mids in Everton, Swansea, Southampton deliver week in week out. Standard passes in my book.
Zak,
Yes but you don't try to play eye of the needle passes from your centre back to someone on the half way line. Begging for an interception and easy counter. Problem is wingers are incredibly static off the ball, should be dragging men away for room for creative players in the middle to get on the ball.
PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
Sadly Kagawa will be sold and Young will stay. It's sickening really, it really is. RVP and Kagawa could both be off and Young and Valencia will probably stay on. Why can't we play Kagawa in a 3 man midfield or behind the striker? He is versatile and 2 footed. It's annoying we see dross play like Young and Valencia.
Why can't we play Kagawa in a 3 man midfield or behind the striker?
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Its clear for everyone to see, Moyes is scared to start Wayne Rooney anywhere else other than that No10 position, Mata, Januzaj and Kagawa are all 'No10s', but get played out wide, has Rooney been pushed wide to give a Mata, Januzaj or Kagawa a go in the middle....No!!
Cryuff and Poborsky didn't set the world alight at United as wingers but at least they could use both feet. How Valencia gets away with it I don't know.
Jesper Blomqvist was terribly one footed (Left) but could go either side of his man despite that. Valencia is outside or else pass back to RB.
Cryuff and Poborsky didn't set the world alight at United as wingers but at least they could use both feet. How Valencia gets away with it I don't know.
Jesper Blomqvist was terribly one footed (Left) but could go either side of his man despite that. Valencia is outside or else pass back to RB.
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Its as simple as this lads, Valencia has been figured out, he is a very basic average footballer, as is Tom Cleverley, Clev would struggle to get in any centre midfield in the Premier League, Young is ok, at least he does pop up the odd time with a cracker or two, but far too inconsistant and wouldnt get starting at City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.
We have too many average footballers, just goes to show how good a job Sir Alex did with these players, he was helped along with the consistency of about 3 or 4 players a season, ie last season RVP, Carrick, Rafael, in other seasons weve had Rooney and a back 3 of Rio VIdic, and VDS at the back to thank. This season with the change of manager, coaching staff, and our main players under performing the rest have been found out.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have been behind Kagawa from day one, there were many (and i mean many) on here saying otherwise, now everyone seems to be of the opinion that he should be starting, laughable really.
Kagawa is a quality, quality footballer, alot of our best football has come with him in the team. Pity though as it looks like Moyes doesnt fancy him and might well be being sold in the summer and we will have to watch him flourish elsewhere.
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His movement in this match its just unreal. With the current shenanigans of RVP, I will advocate for this guy, Mata and Rooney playing together.
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It's not his movement that was great, more the lack of trust to play a pass to him that is worrying.
PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
Disagree,
The manager does not have to play Valencia and Young. Who are arsenal's back ups after their best players are out? some poor players. just like Liverpool and Chelsea. The only difference is, they have progressive managers who appreciate talent. Moyes could have played Adnan and Kagawa in Valencia and Young's places, he chose not to. It's his fault. Kagawa is far better than those 2 and Adnan is too.
I think personality could have a lot to do with it. As good a footballer as he is, he doesn't strike me as having a particularly forceful or dominant personality. If you could imagine, say, Rooney making exactly the same movements, I'd put money on him receiving the ball in most of the situations in the video.
Barf Vader (U15867)
United don't appreciate talent like most top teams do. We need to shift away from this poor philosophy. It took us an age to accept Ronaldo. One trick pony nonsense etc A large amount of our fans in 09 even stated they would prefer to keep Rooney over him. It's only because Rooney shows passion etc Ronaldo is 10 times the player. Kagawa is soooo much better than Young and Valencia. It's a mentality thing. he runs a lot, lets play him attitude.
I hope this Clio puts to bed any argument on Kagawa's ability. I have read some terrible posters here (you know yourselves) talking about how bad he has been all season and how The Golleck is right to keep him out.
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
The guy has been under utilised from day one. What can you expect from David Moyes and his coaching staff though.
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Alex did the same
The manager does not have to play Valencia and Young. Who are arsenal's back ups after their best players are out? some poor players. just like Liverpool and Chelsea. The only difference is, they have progressive managers who appreciate talent. Moyes could have played Adnan and Kagawa in Valencia and Young's places, he chose not to. It's his fault. Kagawa is far better than those 2 and Adnan is too.
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You have to admit for periods last season that Fergie picked Valencia consistantly and Januzaj was nowhere to be seen
Barf,
Screaming for the ball should be the least important thing a player has to do. Not only is it difficult to hear it on a pitch anyway surrounded by 60-70k people shouting but a good player will look up and play the most intelligent pass available. Our current wingers are limited and barely have the vision to execute that limited talent.
Clever - son son son - 'I got 99 problems but Mata aint Juan' - crusader (U18599)
Kagawa was injured for a large part of last season. So don't exclude that from your point. And he did start to get games around this point last season.
PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
Ferguson is not immune from error. Ferguson was waning towards the end of his career, and made some clear as day errors. Valencia was one of many
I think Kagawa lacks the strength and pace to thrive in the PL, hence why he has looked best in the CL. However he is ineffective on the wing, both Mata and Shinji are better playmakers, our wingers are rubbish so stick Rooney out wide and see how he copes. May as well as there is no relationship between him and RVP.
comment by Clever - son son son - 'I got 99 problems but Mata aint Juan' - crusader (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
The guy has been under utilised from day one. What can you expect from David Moyes and his coaching staff though.
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Alex did the same
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Stop with the comparisons. Alex did it and won the title, Moyes is doing it and we will be lucky to play Bala Town FC in the Europa League next season.
Januzaj was also 17 years old you really think it was ideal to play him every game? he has now proved himself, Moyes has no legs to stand on
comment by Zakiado (U19317)
posted 1 minute ago
Clever - son son son - 'I got 99 problems but Mata aint Juan' - crusader (U18599)
Kagawa was injured for a large part of last season. So don't exclude that from your point. And he did start to get games around this point last season.
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And has been injured for large parts this season. Don't forget to include that in your point either.
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posted on 27/2/14
I have been behind Kagawa from day one, there were many (and i mean many) on here saying otherwise, now everyone seems to be of the opinion that he should be starting, laughable really.
Kagawa is a quality, quality footballer, alot of our best football has come with him in the team. Pity though as it looks like Moyes doesnt fancy him and might well be being sold in the summer and we will have to watch him flourish elsewhere.
posted on 27/2/14
Some of those passes proposed would have been quite risky but the Ashley Young 'highlights' are just brutal. Been seen for a long time that Rooney does not have the creativity to act as playmaker, 30 yards pass to the right 9 times out of 10.
posted on 27/2/14
comment by PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have been behind Kagawa from day one, there were many (and i mean many) on here saying otherwise, now everyone seems to be of the opinion that he should be starting, laughable really.
Kagawa is a quality, quality footballer, alot of our best football has come with him in the team. Pity though as it looks like Moyes doesnt fancy him and might well be being sold in the summer and we will have to watch him flourish elsewhere.
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His movement in this match its just unreal. With the current shenanigans of RVP, I will advocate for this guy, Mata and Rooney playing together.
posted on 27/2/14
Also probably been on here before somewhere but quite good:
@evilkagwa
"Everybody say "Why Kagawa no making assist? Why Kagawa no making assist?" Hmmm, I wonder why I no making assist?"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9VWo15oL7o4&feature=youtube_gdata_player
posted on 27/2/14
Benched (U7195)
You have to take risks to win games! Top defenders can defend easy chances from the wing most of the time. Players like Kagawa take risks because they can cause mayhem in the oppositions defense as they are unexpected. They may not work sometimes but you have to take risks as a top player. safe is not good enough.
posted on 27/2/14
comment by Benched (U7195)
posted 1 minute ago
Some of those passes proposed would have been quite risky but the Ashley Young 'highlights' are just brutal. Been seen for a long time that Rooney does not have the creativity to act as playmaker, 30 yards pass to the right 9 times out of 10.
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Risky? For players paid up to 300k. These are passes Coutinho, silva, Toure, Suarez, centre mids in Everton, Swansea, Southampton deliver week in week out. Standard passes in my book.
posted on 27/2/14
Zak,
Yes but you don't try to play eye of the needle passes from your centre back to someone on the half way line. Begging for an interception and easy counter. Problem is wingers are incredibly static off the ball, should be dragging men away for room for creative players in the middle to get on the ball.
posted on 27/2/14
PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
Sadly Kagawa will be sold and Young will stay. It's sickening really, it really is. RVP and Kagawa could both be off and Young and Valencia will probably stay on. Why can't we play Kagawa in a 3 man midfield or behind the striker? He is versatile and 2 footed. It's annoying we see dross play like Young and Valencia.
posted on 27/2/14
Why can't we play Kagawa in a 3 man midfield or behind the striker?
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Its clear for everyone to see, Moyes is scared to start Wayne Rooney anywhere else other than that No10 position, Mata, Januzaj and Kagawa are all 'No10s', but get played out wide, has Rooney been pushed wide to give a Mata, Januzaj or Kagawa a go in the middle....No!!
posted on 27/2/14
Cryuff and Poborsky didn't set the world alight at United as wingers but at least they could use both feet. How Valencia gets away with it I don't know.
Jesper Blomqvist was terribly one footed (Left) but could go either side of his man despite that. Valencia is outside or else pass back to RB.
posted on 27/2/14
Cryuff and Poborsky didn't set the world alight at United as wingers but at least they could use both feet. How Valencia gets away with it I don't know.
Jesper Blomqvist was terribly one footed (Left) but could go either side of his man despite that. Valencia is outside or else pass back to RB.
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Its as simple as this lads, Valencia has been figured out, he is a very basic average footballer, as is Tom Cleverley, Clev would struggle to get in any centre midfield in the Premier League, Young is ok, at least he does pop up the odd time with a cracker or two, but far too inconsistant and wouldnt get starting at City, Chelsea, Arsenal, Liverpool.
We have too many average footballers, just goes to show how good a job Sir Alex did with these players, he was helped along with the consistency of about 3 or 4 players a season, ie last season RVP, Carrick, Rafael, in other seasons weve had Rooney and a back 3 of Rio VIdic, and VDS at the back to thank. This season with the change of manager, coaching staff, and our main players under performing the rest have been found out.
posted on 27/2/14
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 20 minutes ago
comment by PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
posted 2 minutes ago
I have been behind Kagawa from day one, there were many (and i mean many) on here saying otherwise, now everyone seems to be of the opinion that he should be starting, laughable really.
Kagawa is a quality, quality footballer, alot of our best football has come with him in the team. Pity though as it looks like Moyes doesnt fancy him and might well be being sold in the summer and we will have to watch him flourish elsewhere.
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His movement in this match its just unreal. With the current shenanigans of RVP, I will advocate for this guy, Mata and Rooney playing together.
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It's not his movement that was great, more the lack of trust to play a pass to him that is worrying.
posted on 27/2/14
PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
Disagree,
The manager does not have to play Valencia and Young. Who are arsenal's back ups after their best players are out? some poor players. just like Liverpool and Chelsea. The only difference is, they have progressive managers who appreciate talent. Moyes could have played Adnan and Kagawa in Valencia and Young's places, he chose not to. It's his fault. Kagawa is far better than those 2 and Adnan is too.
posted on 27/2/14
I think personality could have a lot to do with it. As good a footballer as he is, he doesn't strike me as having a particularly forceful or dominant personality. If you could imagine, say, Rooney making exactly the same movements, I'd put money on him receiving the ball in most of the situations in the video.
posted on 27/2/14
Barf Vader (U15867)
United don't appreciate talent like most top teams do. We need to shift away from this poor philosophy. It took us an age to accept Ronaldo. One trick pony nonsense etc A large amount of our fans in 09 even stated they would prefer to keep Rooney over him. It's only because Rooney shows passion etc Ronaldo is 10 times the player. Kagawa is soooo much better than Young and Valencia. It's a mentality thing. he runs a lot, lets play him attitude.
posted on 27/2/14
I hope this Clio puts to bed any argument on Kagawa's ability. I have read some terrible posters here (you know yourselves) talking about how bad he has been all season and how The Golleck is right to keep him out.
posted on 27/2/14
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
The guy has been under utilised from day one. What can you expect from David Moyes and his coaching staff though.
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Alex did the same
posted on 27/2/14
The manager does not have to play Valencia and Young. Who are arsenal's back ups after their best players are out? some poor players. just like Liverpool and Chelsea. The only difference is, they have progressive managers who appreciate talent. Moyes could have played Adnan and Kagawa in Valencia and Young's places, he chose not to. It's his fault. Kagawa is far better than those 2 and Adnan is too.
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You have to admit for periods last season that Fergie picked Valencia consistantly and Januzaj was nowhere to be seen
posted on 27/2/14
Barf,
Screaming for the ball should be the least important thing a player has to do. Not only is it difficult to hear it on a pitch anyway surrounded by 60-70k people shouting but a good player will look up and play the most intelligent pass available. Our current wingers are limited and barely have the vision to execute that limited talent.
posted on 27/2/14
Clever - son son son - 'I got 99 problems but Mata aint Juan' - crusader (U18599)
Kagawa was injured for a large part of last season. So don't exclude that from your point. And he did start to get games around this point last season.
posted on 27/2/14
PhilJones4 - Future captain of Manchester United!! (U5029)
Ferguson is not immune from error. Ferguson was waning towards the end of his career, and made some clear as day errors. Valencia was one of many
posted on 27/2/14
I think Kagawa lacks the strength and pace to thrive in the PL, hence why he has looked best in the CL. However he is ineffective on the wing, both Mata and Shinji are better playmakers, our wingers are rubbish so stick Rooney out wide and see how he copes. May as well as there is no relationship between him and RVP.
posted on 27/2/14
comment by Clever - son son son - 'I got 99 problems but Mata aint Juan' - crusader (U18599)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by scholayScholes (U13961)
posted 1 hour, 25 minutes ago
The guy has been under utilised from day one. What can you expect from David Moyes and his coaching staff though.
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Alex did the same
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Stop with the comparisons. Alex did it and won the title, Moyes is doing it and we will be lucky to play Bala Town FC in the Europa League next season.
posted on 27/2/14
Januzaj was also 17 years old you really think it was ideal to play him every game? he has now proved himself, Moyes has no legs to stand on
posted on 27/2/14
comment by Zakiado (U19317)
posted 1 minute ago
Clever - son son son - 'I got 99 problems but Mata aint Juan' - crusader (U18599)
Kagawa was injured for a large part of last season. So don't exclude that from your point. And he did start to get games around this point last season.
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And has been injured for large parts this season. Don't forget to include that in your point either.
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