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comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
The treatment of human beings. It's not Boris himself, it is literally anonymous 15 year olds laughing their assets off they have the power to make the media go mental. You're the clapped one for saying a 15 year old screaming N word on the internet is more important than an entire sport.
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Is that what racism is? That explains a lot, thanks.
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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Nobody has a problem with creating the super League.
People have a problem with clubs thinking they have a divine right to be there, especially Spurs.
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comment by Legacy Fred (U3979)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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Nobody has a problem with creating the super League.
People have a problem with clubs thinking they have a divine right to be there, especially Spurs.
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Yeah, there should be promotion and relegation IMO but I don't feel like that's the main reason people are up in arms.
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posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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No, uncompetitive such as Spurs bring thrashed 7-1 by Barca, Madrid and Man City every week, finishing the league with 2 points then being good to go again next season.
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That wouldn't happen though IMO. Also, the money.
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comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Legacy Fred (U3979)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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Nobody has a problem with creating the super League.
People have a problem with clubs thinking they have a divine right to be there, especially Spurs.
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Yeah, there should be promotion and relegation IMO but I don't feel like that's the main reason people are up in arms.
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For me it's also the abandoning of English "legacy" fans and catering to people who happen to like watching Liverpool because X Player plays for them. There would be nothing to stop them fully committing to the American model where Liverpool could relocate to LA or Beijing.
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But that's a bit two faced because the Premier league and other European leagues sold out internationallyany years ago. English "legacy" fans had no problem selling their commodity to the world. It allowed them to pay exorbitant wages and bring the best players in the world for their fans to watch every week.
Foreign players and aggressive international marketing has created a humongous international market and naturally people gravitate towards greener pastures.
Fans have given excuses like "football is a business", which I've argued against and been laughed at, as they allow money to be poured in, again by foreigners, creating superclubs that win the league every season. International fans will get bored of watching one team in a progression for the title every year. Well, this is how business goes.
If they wanted proper regulation then they should have pushed for it from the start, even when it caused some pain. Logically speaking, you can't have your cake and it eat, and I'm sorry for saying that.
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https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 30 seconds ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
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Think we are very much part of this, our owners anyway.
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The FA or the Premier league should have introduced the German 50+1 rule years ago if they really wanted to protect the clubs taken over by foreign investors.
They wanted to compete with the best leagues in the world so allowed them to be taken over and now there is a massive outcry because their product will be devalued.
Sky and BT will be the first ones to bid for the rights.
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comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yeah, there should be promotion and relegation IMO but I don't feel like that's the main reason people are up in arms.
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Really? That is very much the overall feeling that I get.
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From what I see the majority seem to have two major problems with it:
1) Lack of promotion/relegation (or generally earning your place)
2) Likely expulsion from domestic leagues
The latter may get resolved if governing bodies cave but the former is baked in as a principle of the ESL and as such is the biggest issue that I can see.
comment by Legacy Fred (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by -RKW- (U22124)
posted 2 minutes ago
People moaned about the European Cup changing all those years ago. People still call for it to go back to that format now. That'll never happen. The Euros has gone from 4, 8, 16, 24 teams in it's history. World Cup started with 13 then had 16 for years until it went to 24, 32 and now up to 48. Things change, and dare I say people still tune in to the Euros and World Cup.
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Yes but aside of hosts and previous winners there are no guaranteed spots at any of those competitions. It's not like England, Germany, Holland and Brazil clubbed together to create a new world cup and ensured they had guaranteed qualification is it.
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And this is surely the issue that people have most of all? People keep talking about change....I have no issue with any changes. Even if they're mainly done for financial benefit. What must always be maintained is the sporting integrity that ANYONE can play in them and that nobody is guaranteed to remain in that competition no matter what just because they have more fans/ are more successful in years gone by.
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This is my problem with it and why I'm so furious at the entitled nature of the club. Over the past 20 years we've not exactly been ever present in the CL and are unlikely to quality this year and deservedly so.
Getting rid of that and having privileged status for 75% of the participants of a competition is an utter joke and an insult to every other club in Europe.
Not something I want any part of.
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And yet the CL rules are constantly being changed to not only ensure teams qualify, but that the big teams get to the final rounds, it's not as overt as a guaranteed place but with seedings, coefficients, waiting different nationalities, enlarging the size to allow more minnows in, and now two spots kept open for the biggest clubs who failed to qualify they are ALL BUT doing this.
And there will be a way to qualify in to the 5 other spots each year, you seem to be forgetting that.
Besides which as has been said on here repeatedly, these competitions ALWAYS grow. It's a matter of time before a second wave of founders are allowed in with their being 4 leagues of 10 imo.
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
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Madrid, Juventus, Man Utd and Liverpool seem like the architects to me.
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The architects are the club's that live within their means, there is apparently some pretty enforceable FFP rules in the league, that aren't a moving of the goalposts as per UEFA competitions and challengeable.
That's probably why Chelsea, Man city aren't too keen, and why PSG aren't on board yet.
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comment by Legacy Fred (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
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comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by -RKW- (U22124)
posted 2 minutes ago
People moaned about the European Cup changing all those years ago. People still call for it to go back to that format now. That'll never happen. The Euros has gone from 4, 8, 16, 24 teams in it's history. World Cup started with 13 then had 16 for years until it went to 24, 32 and now up to 48. Things change, and dare I say people still tune in to the Euros and World Cup.
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Yes but aside of hosts and previous winners there are no guaranteed spots at any of those competitions. It's not like England, Germany, Holland and Brazil clubbed together to create a new world cup and ensured they had guaranteed qualification is it.
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And this is surely the issue that people have most of all? People keep talking about change....I have no issue with any changes. Even if they're mainly done for financial benefit. What must always be maintained is the sporting integrity that ANYONE can play in them and that nobody is guaranteed to remain in that competition no matter what just because they have more fans/ are more successful in years gone by.
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This is my problem with it and why I'm so furious at the entitled nature of the club. Over the past 20 years we've not exactly been ever present in the CL and are unlikely to quality this year and deservedly so.
Getting rid of that and having privileged status for 75% of the participants of a competition is an utter joke and an insult to every other club in Europe.
Not something I want any part of.
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And yet the CL rules are constantly being changed to not only ensure teams qualify, but that the big teams get to the final rounds, it's not as overt as a guaranteed place but with seedings, coefficients, waiting different nationalities, enlarging the size to allow more minnows in, and now two spots kept open for the biggest clubs who failed to qualify they are ALL BUT doing this.
And there will be a way to qualify in to the 5 other spots each year, you seem to be forgetting that.
Besides which as has been said on here repeatedly, these competitions ALWAYS grow. It's a matter of time before a second wave of founders are allowed in with their being 4 leagues of 10 imo.
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Yep I can't stand the new CL format either. And if it were up to me I'd do away with seeding altogether in the group stages.
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comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
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Madrid, Juventus, Man Utd and Liverpool seem like the architects to me.
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The architects are the club's that live within their means, there is apparently some pretty enforceable FFP rules in the league, that aren't a moving of the goalposts as per UEFA competitions and challengeable.
That's probably why Chelsea, Man city aren't too keen, and why PSG aren't on board yet.
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Utd, Barcelona and Madrid do not live within their means. They are hundreds of millions in debt, they are spending money they don't have, that is why they have broken the rules they signed up to and set up a new league that is exclusively more profitable for them.
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Sorry, it meant to read:
NEED TO live within their means
It's funny that this seems to be the line that is drawn in the sand for so many fans.
Not the top clubs in England making their own league to stop having to fund grassroots and lower league football..
Not the end of the European cup to make more money with the CL,
Not the unsustainable wages and transfer fees
Not the sale of clubs to questionable owners (Sinawatra)
Not the sale of clubs to owners with criminal links, and links to foreign states who gave them huge stakes in energy monopolies at the expense of the populace (Abramovich)
Foreign royalty, who also fund terrorism, have questionable domestic human rights and are part of a canal artificially inflating fossil fuel prices for generations, and make questionable investments around the world pricing locals out of such basic necessities as housing
Agents making millions, then touting their players to other clubs to do so again.
But no.. what finally breaks football is 15 clubs who make the majority of the money for the CL, who are fed up with UEFA creaming 51% off the top, who very clearly make interventions to preserve the integrity of their tournament and to keep it engaging (Barca Vs Bayern 4 times in 25 years? Chelsea Vs Barca semi-final?) Those 15 clubs decide to take control of the wealth generated by the fanbase they have cultivated for hundreds of years to protect themselves from bankruptcy due to the spiralling culmination of the above factors and all hell breaks loose
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comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 2 hours, 23 minutes ago
The treatment of human beings. It's not Boris himself, it is literally anonymous 15 year olds laughing their assets off they have the power to make the media go mental. You're the clapped one for saying a 15 year old screaming N word on the internet is more important than an entire sport.
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Is that what racism is? That explains a lot, thanks.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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Nobody has a problem with creating the super League.
People have a problem with clubs thinking they have a divine right to be there, especially Spurs.
posted on 20/4/21
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posted on 20/4/21
comment by Legacy Fred (U3979)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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Nobody has a problem with creating the super League.
People have a problem with clubs thinking they have a divine right to be there, especially Spurs.
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Yeah, there should be promotion and relegation IMO but I don't feel like that's the main reason people are up in arms.
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posted on 20/4/21
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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No, uncompetitive such as Spurs bring thrashed 7-1 by Barca, Madrid and Man City every week, finishing the league with 2 points then being good to go again next season.
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That wouldn't happen though IMO. Also, the money.
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posted on 20/4/21
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 1 minute ago
comment by Legacy Fred (U3979)
posted 59 seconds ago
comment by Thorgen Kloppinson - Under a bridge, with my bathroom right there in the kitchen (U1282)
posted 48 seconds ago
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 14 minutes ago
Breaking: Boris Johnson met PL chief exec Richard Masters this morning. I understand the PM said that whilst he is a staunch free marketeer, the ESL is ‘anti-competitive’, adding ‘we should drop a legislative bomb to stop it - and we should do it now.’ PL meeting ongoing.
They will get the scheming am*ricans on anti-competition legislation. This isn't happening. I cannot wait for the backtrack. Never forgive.
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Uncompetitive? Aka someone is losing money and/or influence.
Backtrack or no backtrack, a super league will happen at some point sooner or later. Heck, there'll probably be a world league one day. The world has an appetite for top level football and someone will capitalise on that at some point. Too much money there. I didn't think it would be in my lifetime but at this rate it looks like I could see it.
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Nobody has a problem with creating the super League.
People have a problem with clubs thinking they have a divine right to be there, especially Spurs.
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Yeah, there should be promotion and relegation IMO but I don't feel like that's the main reason people are up in arms.
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For me it's also the abandoning of English "legacy" fans and catering to people who happen to like watching Liverpool because X Player plays for them. There would be nothing to stop them fully committing to the American model where Liverpool could relocate to LA or Beijing.
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But that's a bit two faced because the Premier league and other European leagues sold out internationallyany years ago. English "legacy" fans had no problem selling their commodity to the world. It allowed them to pay exorbitant wages and bring the best players in the world for their fans to watch every week.
Foreign players and aggressive international marketing has created a humongous international market and naturally people gravitate towards greener pastures.
Fans have given excuses like "football is a business", which I've argued against and been laughed at, as they allow money to be poured in, again by foreigners, creating superclubs that win the league every season. International fans will get bored of watching one team in a progression for the title every year. Well, this is how business goes.
If they wanted proper regulation then they should have pushed for it from the start, even when it caused some pain. Logically speaking, you can't have your cake and it eat, and I'm sorry for saying that.
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posted on 20/4/21
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 30 seconds ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
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Think we are very much part of this, our owners anyway.
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The FA or the Premier league should have introduced the German 50+1 rule years ago if they really wanted to protect the clubs taken over by foreign investors.
They wanted to compete with the best leagues in the world so allowed them to be taken over and now there is a massive outcry because their product will be devalued.
Sky and BT will be the first ones to bid for the rights.
posted on 20/4/21
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posted on 20/4/21
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 minutes ago
Yeah, there should be promotion and relegation IMO but I don't feel like that's the main reason people are up in arms.
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Really? That is very much the overall feeling that I get.
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From what I see the majority seem to have two major problems with it:
1) Lack of promotion/relegation (or generally earning your place)
2) Likely expulsion from domestic leagues
The latter may get resolved if governing bodies cave but the former is baked in as a principle of the ESL and as such is the biggest issue that I can see.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Legacy Fred (U3979)
posted 2 hours, 31 minutes ago
comment by GTWI4T- some people deserve to get trolled (U6008)
posted 12 seconds ago
comment by Fred Klopp (U3979)
posted 6 minutes ago
comment by -RKW- (U22124)
posted 2 minutes ago
People moaned about the European Cup changing all those years ago. People still call for it to go back to that format now. That'll never happen. The Euros has gone from 4, 8, 16, 24 teams in it's history. World Cup started with 13 then had 16 for years until it went to 24, 32 and now up to 48. Things change, and dare I say people still tune in to the Euros and World Cup.
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Yes but aside of hosts and previous winners there are no guaranteed spots at any of those competitions. It's not like England, Germany, Holland and Brazil clubbed together to create a new world cup and ensured they had guaranteed qualification is it.
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And this is surely the issue that people have most of all? People keep talking about change....I have no issue with any changes. Even if they're mainly done for financial benefit. What must always be maintained is the sporting integrity that ANYONE can play in them and that nobody is guaranteed to remain in that competition no matter what just because they have more fans/ are more successful in years gone by.
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This is my problem with it and why I'm so furious at the entitled nature of the club. Over the past 20 years we've not exactly been ever present in the CL and are unlikely to quality this year and deservedly so.
Getting rid of that and having privileged status for 75% of the participants of a competition is an utter joke and an insult to every other club in Europe.
Not something I want any part of.
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And yet the CL rules are constantly being changed to not only ensure teams qualify, but that the big teams get to the final rounds, it's not as overt as a guaranteed place but with seedings, coefficients, waiting different nationalities, enlarging the size to allow more minnows in, and now two spots kept open for the biggest clubs who failed to qualify they are ALL BUT doing this.
And there will be a way to qualify in to the 5 other spots each year, you seem to be forgetting that.
Besides which as has been said on here repeatedly, these competitions ALWAYS grow. It's a matter of time before a second wave of founders are allowed in with their being 4 leagues of 10 imo.
posted on 20/4/21
comment by Tranmere87 (U11882)
posted 24 minutes ago
comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
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Madrid, Juventus, Man Utd and Liverpool seem like the architects to me.
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The architects are the club's that live within their means, there is apparently some pretty enforceable FFP rules in the league, that aren't a moving of the goalposts as per UEFA competitions and challengeable.
That's probably why Chelsea, Man city aren't too keen, and why PSG aren't on board yet.
posted on 20/4/21
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People moaned about the European Cup changing all those years ago. People still call for it to go back to that format now. That'll never happen. The Euros has gone from 4, 8, 16, 24 teams in it's history. World Cup started with 13 then had 16 for years until it went to 24, 32 and now up to 48. Things change, and dare I say people still tune in to the Euros and World Cup.
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Yes but aside of hosts and previous winners there are no guaranteed spots at any of those competitions. It's not like England, Germany, Holland and Brazil clubbed together to create a new world cup and ensured they had guaranteed qualification is it.
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And this is surely the issue that people have most of all? People keep talking about change....I have no issue with any changes. Even if they're mainly done for financial benefit. What must always be maintained is the sporting integrity that ANYONE can play in them and that nobody is guaranteed to remain in that competition no matter what just because they have more fans/ are more successful in years gone by.
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This is my problem with it and why I'm so furious at the entitled nature of the club. Over the past 20 years we've not exactly been ever present in the CL and are unlikely to quality this year and deservedly so.
Getting rid of that and having privileged status for 75% of the participants of a competition is an utter joke and an insult to every other club in Europe.
Not something I want any part of.
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And yet the CL rules are constantly being changed to not only ensure teams qualify, but that the big teams get to the final rounds, it's not as overt as a guaranteed place but with seedings, coefficients, waiting different nationalities, enlarging the size to allow more minnows in, and now two spots kept open for the biggest clubs who failed to qualify they are ALL BUT doing this.
And there will be a way to qualify in to the 5 other spots each year, you seem to be forgetting that.
Besides which as has been said on here repeatedly, these competitions ALWAYS grow. It's a matter of time before a second wave of founders are allowed in with their being 4 leagues of 10 imo.
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Yep I can't stand the new CL format either. And if it were up to me I'd do away with seeding altogether in the group stages.
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comment by Naby8 (U6997)
posted 5 minutes ago
https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-have-super-league-doubts-says-executive
Less than half of the teams involved are 'fanatics' apparently.
I do wonder whether the true driver for this is RM and Barca (or more generally the Spanish and Italian clubs) fearing they can't compete with the EPL (or PSG) long term and so want the super league.
Perhaps I'm just looking to excuse the English teams unnecessarily.
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Madrid, Juventus, Man Utd and Liverpool seem like the architects to me.
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The architects are the club's that live within their means, there is apparently some pretty enforceable FFP rules in the league, that aren't a moving of the goalposts as per UEFA competitions and challengeable.
That's probably why Chelsea, Man city aren't too keen, and why PSG aren't on board yet.
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Utd, Barcelona and Madrid do not live within their means. They are hundreds of millions in debt, they are spending money they don't have, that is why they have broken the rules they signed up to and set up a new league that is exclusively more profitable for them.
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Sorry, it meant to read:
NEED TO live within their means
posted on 20/4/21
It's funny that this seems to be the line that is drawn in the sand for so many fans.
Not the top clubs in England making their own league to stop having to fund grassroots and lower league football..
Not the end of the European cup to make more money with the CL,
Not the unsustainable wages and transfer fees
Not the sale of clubs to questionable owners (Sinawatra)
Not the sale of clubs to owners with criminal links, and links to foreign states who gave them huge stakes in energy monopolies at the expense of the populace (Abramovich)
Foreign royalty, who also fund terrorism, have questionable domestic human rights and are part of a canal artificially inflating fossil fuel prices for generations, and make questionable investments around the world pricing locals out of such basic necessities as housing
Agents making millions, then touting their players to other clubs to do so again.
But no.. what finally breaks football is 15 clubs who make the majority of the money for the CL, who are fed up with UEFA creaming 51% off the top, who very clearly make interventions to preserve the integrity of their tournament and to keep it engaging (Barca Vs Bayern 4 times in 25 years? Chelsea Vs Barca semi-final?) Those 15 clubs decide to take control of the wealth generated by the fanbase they have cultivated for hundreds of years to protect themselves from bankruptcy due to the spiralling culmination of the above factors and all hell breaks loose
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