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comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
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For all we know the club may have spoken to Salah since his public statement after the United game. And with VVD we have no clue what's going on.
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VVD in August said no talks, Salah in September said no talks. That is the info that has been leaked and we can debate on this.
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Joyce has since said that talks are planned. Why do you ignore this?
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Joyce also said expect a busy August with incomings. He don't know fek all.
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Ok, we’ll just take your own outdated evidence and run with that.
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My evidence was the players talking while your evidence is some journalist.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
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comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Pales... (U1108)
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Say what you want but to have 3 players out of contract June 2025 and we are about to hit October is pretty unprecedented. Are there many examples of the players signing a new deal when left so late?
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Definitely. Salah's last deal was signed just before it expired wasn't it?
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He still had a year left.

comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
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comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
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comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
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For all we know the club may have spoken to Salah since his public statement after the United game. And with VVD we have no clue what's going on.
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VVD in August said no talks, Salah in September said no talks. That is the info that has been leaked and we can debate on this.
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Joyce has since said that talks are planned. Why do you ignore this?
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Joyce also said expect a busy August with incomings. He don't know fek all.
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Ok, we’ll just take your own outdated evidence and run with that.
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My evidence was the players talking while your evidence is some journalist.
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What quotes do you have since the window closed?

Joyce is generally considered as reliable with what he posts. Just because it didn’t pan out doesn’t mean it wasn’t accurate at the time.

comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…{Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 17 minutes ago
I'll be a bit disappointed if Trent left on a free tbh
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Everyone will be and rightly so. But it’s the way things are going and have been for some time. Gone are the days when the clubs hold all the power, even read someone yesterday saying that Trent should rot in the reserves if he’d decided to leaveSame person also thinks we should have sold him if he’d signalled his intention to leave, but I believe if you have a world class player you should keep him as long as possible, as there aren’t many of them around. Too many concentrate purely on the economics of a player, I’m more interested in them as footballers, what they do for the club whilst they’re here.
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no u said he would refuse to leave for any1 but rm i simply pointed out if we had approached the situattion 3 years ago and found out where we stood 3 years ago we had bargaining power. and would be well within our rights to do such a thing. why spend 3 years working on a player who is leaving for free? for example. He wouldnt wantt to not play and he prob wouldnt want tot come out and tell the fans hes facking off for free either. aka bargaining power.

ffs terms give it a rest man seriously

I feel he should have been offered a fat contract in the summer of 2023 and if he didn’t accept then he should have been sold.

comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Palestine 🇵🇸 (U1108)
posted 25 minutes ago
comment by Peter O'Hanraha-hanrahan (U1217)
posted less than a minute ago
For all we know the club may have spoken to Salah since his public statement after the United game. And with VVD we have no clue what's going on.
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VVD in August said no talks, Salah in September said no talks. That is the info that has been leaked and we can debate on this.
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VVD said no changes. That doesn't mean no talks

It’s exacerbated by the VVD and Salah contracts. It’s not like we didn’t know all three would be out of contract at the same time.

if the club decided fine we'll let him and play him cos hes that good fair enough, atleast do the right thing by the fans and let them know. This way we'd know the club did the right thing trying early not to let such a key players contract run out in his mid 20s....
now we have this situation where everyones guessing :/ and the clubs being questioned.

Also faced with that possibility even if Trent wanted to leave for Real, i think as a compromise to continue to play he'd have signed a new contract with a clause for example that was low fee if real came when he was say 27. We get an extra year and a fee, he gets his move.

im merely pointing out why it'd have been better. And that your number 2 point was pointless as the time tto act was long before that.

Anyway its all still guess work as we are in this situation no1s saying a thing. Trents being asked and like VVD Salah being coy, which adds the fuel for questioning the club :/.

comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Pales... (U1108)
posted 16 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)
posted about a minute ago
comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Pales... (U1108)
posted 5 seconds ago
Say what you want but to have 3 players out of contract June 2025 and we are about to hit October is pretty unprecedented. Are there many examples of the players signing a new deal when left so late?
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Definitely. Salah's last deal was signed just before it expired wasn't it?
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He still had a year left.
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Ah yes. I think the VVD and Salah situations are quite normal. They're the wrong side of 30 and the club need to be sure of their contribution for the salary they're on.

The TAA one is the strange one and one can only think there's a stumbling block in there somewhere. Probably putting two and two together and getting five but his comments on wanting to be captain may offer some explanation. I'm not really concerned about the TAA situation as I think he has always intended to sign.

VVD and Salah and more concerns considering their age as they're still world class players and it's not like we'll get a fee for them so not like the club are selling them when old to maximise income. There's literally no real financial reason to let them go, it has to be only in regards to their performance levels which are still up there.

Personally I think all three sign but definitely TAA at least.

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I feel he should have been offered a fat contract in the summer of 2023 and if he didn’t accept then he should have been sold.
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Sold to who?!?
If, for example, he’s decided to go to Real Madrid, how could we sell him to someone else? It’s up to him where he goes.

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
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comment by Terminator1 (U1863)
posted 1 hour, 37 minutes ago
comment by Michael Edwards FC 2.0 loading…{Proud owner of the 5 000 000th comment} (U2720)
posted 17 minutes ago
I'll be a bit disappointed if Trent left on a free tbh
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Everyone will be and rightly so. But it’s the way things are going and have been for some time. Gone are the days when the clubs hold all the power, even read someone yesterday saying that Trent should rot in the reserves if he’d decided to leaveSame person also thinks we should have sold him if he’d signalled his intention to leave, but I believe if you have a world class player you should keep him as long as possible, as there aren’t many of them around. Too many concentrate purely on the economics of a player, I’m more interested in them as footballers, what they do for the club whilst they’re here.
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no u said he would refuse to leave for any1 but rm i simply pointed out if we had approached the situattion 3 years ago and found out where we stood 3 years ago we had bargaining power. and would be well within our rights to do such a thing. why spend 3 years working on a player who is leaving for free? for example. He wouldnt wantt to not play and he prob wouldnt want tot come out and tell the fans hes facking off for free either. aka bargaining power.

ffs terms give it a rest man seriously
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Players also have to take responsibility here. Many players have led their club to believe they will sign and then drag it out with negotiations only to get into the final year, strengthening their position and then they can either get a great deal or leave. It's a common negotiation tactic and one I am in the process of doing myself for the company I work for. We're currently in the process of moving away from a massive partner to a different one but have been having renewal discussions with them anyhow so they don't find out and cut ties before we need them to.

There's a lot to negotiations, it's not just offering a player a contract. Both sides try to get the best deal and it's not always money. Giving one player one thing might mean something for another player/s which causes them to want to leave instead, for example.

comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)

Stupid people's facts are not the same as actual facts. That's the social media generation for you who get their information from there.
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No need to make this a generational thing. Not like boomers with newspapers are faring any better.

Media is illuminating and distortionary, this is known

Completely hypothetical of course but say TAA is asking to be captain next season, that could mean not offering VVD a contract until that is resolved one way or the other, either by agreeing to TAAs demands and therefore VVD doesn't resign or not agreeing to TAAs demands and then offering VVD a new deal and letting TAA go.

Said that too Toor im feel VVD And Salah contracts have been handled well by the club. 33 and 34 if they leave at the end we got their prime years. Its rare to get a fee for players close to mid 30s too? though we could have 100 odd mill for salah but rightly imo felt its more important to keep for 2 more years.

if think now its worth us offering generous 2 year contracts to both too. Trent i wish we'd have given him a 10 year + contract when we got him to sign his last one .. But still think we should have sorted it out years ago as we know its up when hes 26..

But i hope Toors right and its all gentlemens agreement and no rush Trent signs a new contract soon.

One thing United do well (which is rare) is that with contracts they always add a optional extra year on every contracts which gets enacted if targets are met. Probably something we need to implement and there is no doubt our expiring 3 would have got that extra year added.

comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I feel he should have been offered a fat contract in the summer of 2023 and if he didn’t accept then he should have been sold.
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Sold to who?!?
If, for example, he’s decided to go to Real Madrid, how could we sell him to someone else? It’s up to him where he goes.
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Nah. I don’t think that happens tbh, with that long left a club can force a players hand. Might not be palatable but neither is a player forcing a leave on a free after we’ve made them a multi millionaire.

Madrid would have come in last summer I feel, rather than wait two years. Point is we didn’t offer with two years left.

comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I feel he should have been offered a fat contract in the summer of 2023 and if he didn’t accept then he should have been sold.
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Sold to who?!?
If, for example, he’s decided to go to Real Madrid, how could we sell him to someone else? It’s up to him where he goes.
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Could sell him to Real Madrid then couldn’t we

comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
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comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I feel he should have been offered a fat contract in the summer of 2023 and if he didn’t accept then he should have been sold.
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Sold to who?!?
If, for example, he’s decided to go to Real Madrid, how could we sell him to someone else? It’s up to him where he goes.
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Nah. I don’t think that happens tbh, with that long left a club can force a players hand. Might not be palatable but neither is a player forcing a leave on a free after we’ve made them a multi millionaire.

Madrid would have come in last summer I feel, rather than wait two years. Point is we didn’t offer with two years left.
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thats why i said bargaining power, i doubt either would wanna fack either over certtainly not publicly... So thered be a compromise prob a rm release clause or sumin...

if we've left it this late to even try and theres no gentlemens agreement then no1s blaming trent at all. its on the club. No1 knows ofc b4 term says im saying that

comment by (K̇ash) - Welcome to Mo Trafford - Free Pales... (U1108)
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One thing United do well (which is rare) is that with contracts they always add a optional extra year on every contracts which gets enacted if targets are met. Probably something we need to implement and there is no doubt our expiring 3 would have got that extra year added.
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I wouldn't say they do well with contracts, in fact quite the opposite. They have been famous for the past decade or more of having players who are not contributing either because of injury or poor performance and being on long contracts.

There are numerous examples but De Gea and Jones are obviously the ones that jump out first.

We may be sat here in 12 months saying the same thing about Robertson and Konate tbh.

do they have to give a bigger salary per year or bonuses though to achieve that option or is it slid in the back door and just accepted by the player and his agent?

comment by Inbefore (U20589)
posted 2 minutes ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted less than a minute ago
comment by Be A Grizzly (U2206)
posted 19 seconds ago
comment by Robbing Hoody - keepy up arbiter. Don’t talk to me unless you can do ten (U6374)
posted 9 minutes ago
I feel he should have been offered a fat contract in the summer of 2023 and if he didn’t accept then he should have been sold.
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Sold to who?!?
If, for example, he’s decided to go to Real Madrid, how could we sell him to someone else? It’s up to him where he goes.
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Nah. I don’t think that happens tbh, with that long left a club can force a players hand. Might not be palatable but neither is a player forcing a leave on a free after we’ve made them a multi millionaire.

Madrid would have come in last summer I feel, rather than wait two years. Point is we didn’t offer with two years left.
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thats why i said bargaining power, i doubt either would wanna fack either over certtainly not publicly... So thered be a compromise prob a rm release clause or sumin...

if we've left it this late to even try and theres no gentlemens agreement then no1s blaming trent at all. its on the club. No1 knows ofc b4 term says im saying that
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Yeah I think you’re spot on with that take

comment by The Duality of Van (Dijk) (U21747)
posted 7 minutes ago
comment by TheresOnlyOne7-0Reds (U1721)

Stupid people's facts are not the same as actual facts. That's the social media generation for you who get their information from there.
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No need to make this a generational thing. Not like boomers with newspapers are faring any better.

Media is illuminating and distortionary, this is known
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True, however it has got worse with social media as people put more credibility on what they read on there than anybody has ever done with newspaper speculation. It also spreads to a much larger audience and much quicker. Look at the recent riots caused by misinformation being spread on social media. It's just much much more powerful.

comment by Insufferable-Piffle (U4388)
posted 1 hour, 31 minutes ago
I really liked Bradley wen I have seen himlook losing Trent, if it happened would be a sore one and perhaps necessitate a different style of play but Bradley is probs a better defender in a traditional RB position but certainly not a better player overall, didn't think Trent would leave but RM have a knack for turning players heads so you never know?
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itll come down to manager getting the best out of him. Saw how Trent can look for Southgates England . Bradleys talented, could be better than robbo for example, we'd all take that. Wont ever offer what Trent does though but no1 else in world football does rn.

I don’t think Bradley is better at anything yet tbh, including defending.