comment by Got_Better (U6241)posted 17 seconds agoOh I forgot, all those top coaches in italy.....what is there, 3 or 4 . Didn't utd stick a player on him....and didnt utd win, comprehensively? ? Wow....it IS that easy!
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Which game GB? I guess all the english lads play against teams all with world class coaches.
I mean you are all full of praise for Wenger, Jose, Pelpegrini.......
Errrr
Im struggling now, managers with trophy/title winning experience?
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh I forgot, all those top coaches in italy.....what is there, 3 or 4. Didn't utd stick a player on him....and didnt utd win, comprehensively? ? Wow....it IS that easy!
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How dare you criticise Italian managers when an English manager has yet to even win the Premier League!
comment by Marcelino- Endavant Villarreal! (U6171)posted 1 minute agocomment by Got_Better (U6241) posted 1 minute agoOh I forgot, all those top coaches in italy.....what is there, 3 or 4. Didn't utd stick a player on him....and didnt utd win, comprehensively? ? Wow....it IS that easy!----------------------------------------------------------------------How dare you criticise Italian managers when an English manager has yet to even win the Premier League!
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No, GB is going to tell us all these top coaches in the Premier League....let him hang himself here!
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 4 seconds agoWhy are people talking about club form anyway? This is a world cup. And Gerrard hasn't come anywhere close to Pirlo at international level.
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Bingo!
Games will be played with the emphesis on possesion,games at slow tempos for large periods.
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And that's the problem, don't let them play like that! Use your strengths.
If pirlo performs as ypu lot expect this "god" to perform and gerrard is outclassed, then fair enough. I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 12 minutes agoPirlo has went from being a great player to a god after the media indoctrinated the English after the last World Cup. England's tactics were woeful that night and exactly what Pirlo needed to perform. Gerrard is being massively underrated but then he always has for England. Gerrard would tear up the Italian league, even now. Pirlo wouldn't last a full season in the Premier League, he'd be back to Italy in January. Not to take away from Pirlo that he has had a great career.
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I guess you have first hand experience of seeing Italians come to England and flop
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 7 seconds ago
If pirlo performs as ypu lot expect this "god" to perform and gerrard is outclassed, then fair enough. I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
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Pirlo schooled gerrard in 2005!!! Wtf....swear I saw gerrard score a goal, change the dynamic of the whole game and get a penalty...then play rb to stop milans winger!!!
Pirlo.....3-0 up and went to pieces didnt he??? It can be argued thatbyhat game shows gerrards qualities more than any other; interestingly vs pirlo....didnt gerrard win the dual??
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 1 minute agocomment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308) posted 4 minutes agocomment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 4 seconds agoWhy are people talking about club form anyway? This is a world cup. And Gerrard hasn't come anywhere close to Pirlo at international level.======Bingo!Games will be played with the emphesis on possesion,games at slow tempos for large periods.----------------------------------------------------------------------And that's the problem, don't let them play like that! Use your strengths.
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Chasing the ball for.90 minutes??
Rushing about?
Who not keep posession......didnt rodgers use one of these buzz phrases. That if you have more posession that you have a higher win rate.
Hey, lets charge about!
Pirlo schooled gerrard in 2005!!! Wtf....swear I saw gerrard score a goal, change the dynamic of the whole game and get a penalty...then play rb to stop milans winger!!!
Pirlo.....3-0 up and went to pieces didnt he??? It can be argued thatbyhat game shows gerrards qualities more than any other; interestingly vs pirlo....didnt gerrard win the dual??
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I am absolutely amazed at this drivel.
comment by Got_Better (U6241)posted 3 minutes agoIf pirlo performs as ypu lot expect this "god" to perform and gerrard is outclassed, then fair enough. I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
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IF Gerrard plays well????
You have just said how he is better than a player who is hyped by the media and football pundits....people who played at the highest level.
IF, IF, IF!!
Anyone saying to play a high tempo in Brazil is just stupid.
I'm not. GB's delusions know no bounds. It's entertaining, nonetheless.
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)posted 10 seconds agoAnyone saying to play a high tempo in Brazil is just stupid.
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I fully agree
I do not know if he genuinely believes the rubbish he spouts or if he is attention seeking.
comment by Marcelino- Endavant Villarreal! (U6171)posted 1 minute agoI do not know if he genuinely believes the rubbish he spouts or if he is attention seeking.
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Bit of both I think <ok!>
Hard to judge this one, I dont know a great deal about Italy. Man for man, whos stronger, whos got the best first 11 and how many italians would get into England's team; how many of England team get into italys?
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GB claims to know nothing about Italy. Bit then tepps everyone how much better a certain player is compared to Pirlo
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place(U1721)posted 1 minute agocomment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308) posted 4 minutes agocomment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 4 seconds agoWhy are people talking about club form anyway? This is a world cup. And Gerrard hasn't come anywhere close to Pirlo at international level.======Bingo!Games will be played with the emphesis on possesion,games at slow tempos for large periods.----------------------------------------------------------------------And that's the problem, don't let them play like that! Use your strengths.
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Chasing the ball for.90 minutes??
Rushing about?
Who not keep posession......didnt rodgers use one of these buzz phrases. That if you have more posession that you have a higher win rate.
Hey, lets charge about!
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You can keep possession but play on the counter at pace. There's no point letting Italy have the ball and not putting pressure on them. Other teams can match Italy that way, England can not. And one thing is for sure, there's no way in hell Italy can match England if they play to their strengths. It's exactly how Liverpool won the Champions League in 2005. Rushed teams from the front, didn't let them settle and countered them when they did get forward. We almost lost it due to this tactic in the final as Milan broke forward a couple of times and put balls in behind our defence when we had rushed them and had to change it up for the second half but it can work and I think it would work best against the Italians.
Gerrard in Istanbul is the most overrated performance EVER by far. I've seen that game about half a dozen times cos I loved the comeback and I cheered Liverpool that night but I never quite got the fuss about the Gerrard hype. He was absolutely schooled in midfield but because he scored a good header, dived for a penalty and attempted or hoofed a few hollywood balls from RB that didn't come off, it's almost put on par with Maradonna in '86.
I thought Rodgers invented that method of playing?
Do that, lose cheap posession and have to hunt the ball down in the heat/humidity?
But England are.not Liverpool....Italy are not Milan. This is international football. One game nearly 10 years ago is not a guide of how to win FFS!
We
You can keep possession but play on the counter at pace. There's no point letting Italy have the ball and not putting pressure on them. Other teams can match Italy that way, England can not. And one thing is for sure, there's no way in hell Italy can match England if they play to their strengths. It's exactly how Liverpool won the Champions League in 2005. Rushed teams from the front, didn't let them settle and countered them when they did get forward. We almost lost it due to this tactic in the final as Milan broke forward a couple of times and put balls in behind our defence when we had rushed them and had to change it up for the second half but it can work and I think it would work best against the Italians.
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Liverpool won the game cos Milan got sloppy and complacent for a few costly minutes and Liverpool profited from a good deal of fortune. Milan had the chances to put it to bed and they were far the better team that night. Hardly a blueprint of how England should approach the Italy match.
Sheriff
TOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.
Gerrard was outstanding that night Sheriff. Not just the quality of his box to box performance, his tackling, bursts forward and driving the team forward, despite being three-nil down but his leadership and determination also. He was largely bypassed in the first half but when Hamann came on, Gerrard was then outstanding. If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.
I'm astounded, even now, despite witnessing it for years, the lengths rival fans will go to, to discredit Gerrard.
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posted on 9/6/14
comment by Got_Better (U6241)posted 17 seconds agoOh I forgot, all those top coaches in italy.....what is there, 3 or 4 . Didn't utd stick a player on him....and didnt utd win, comprehensively? ? Wow....it IS that easy!
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Which game GB? I guess all the english lads play against teams all with world class coaches.
I mean you are all full of praise for Wenger, Jose, Pelpegrini.......
Errrr
Im struggling now, managers with trophy/title winning experience?
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 1 minute ago
Oh I forgot, all those top coaches in italy.....what is there, 3 or 4. Didn't utd stick a player on him....and didnt utd win, comprehensively? ? Wow....it IS that easy!
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How dare you criticise Italian managers when an English manager has yet to even win the Premier League!
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Marcelino- Endavant Villarreal! (U6171)posted 1 minute agocomment by Got_Better (U6241) posted 1 minute agoOh I forgot, all those top coaches in italy.....what is there, 3 or 4. Didn't utd stick a player on him....and didnt utd win, comprehensively? ? Wow....it IS that easy!----------------------------------------------------------------------How dare you criticise Italian managers when an English manager has yet to even win the Premier League!
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No, GB is going to tell us all these top coaches in the Premier League....let him hang himself here!
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 4 minutes ago
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 4 seconds agoWhy are people talking about club form anyway? This is a world cup. And Gerrard hasn't come anywhere close to Pirlo at international level.
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Bingo!
Games will be played with the emphesis on possesion,games at slow tempos for large periods.
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And that's the problem, don't let them play like that! Use your strengths.
posted on 9/6/14
If pirlo performs as ypu lot expect this "god" to perform and gerrard is outclassed, then fair enough. I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
posted on 9/6/14
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 12 minutes agoPirlo has went from being a great player to a god after the media indoctrinated the English after the last World Cup. England's tactics were woeful that night and exactly what Pirlo needed to perform. Gerrard is being massively underrated but then he always has for England. Gerrard would tear up the Italian league, even now. Pirlo wouldn't last a full season in the Premier League, he'd be back to Italy in January. Not to take away from Pirlo that he has had a great career.
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I guess you have first hand experience of seeing Italians come to England and flop
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Got_Better (U6241)
posted 7 seconds ago
If pirlo performs as ypu lot expect this "god" to perform and gerrard is outclassed, then fair enough. I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
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posted on 9/6/14
Pirlo schooled gerrard in 2005!!! Wtf....swear I saw gerrard score a goal, change the dynamic of the whole game and get a penalty...then play rb to stop milans winger!!!
Pirlo.....3-0 up and went to pieces didnt he??? It can be argued thatbyhat game shows gerrards qualities more than any other; interestingly vs pirlo....didnt gerrard win the dual??
posted on 9/6/14
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 1 minute agocomment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308) posted 4 minutes agocomment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 4 seconds agoWhy are people talking about club form anyway? This is a world cup. And Gerrard hasn't come anywhere close to Pirlo at international level.======Bingo!Games will be played with the emphesis on possesion,games at slow tempos for large periods.----------------------------------------------------------------------And that's the problem, don't let them play like that! Use your strengths.
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Chasing the ball for.90 minutes??
Rushing about?
Who not keep posession......didnt rodgers use one of these buzz phrases. That if you have more posession that you have a higher win rate.
Hey, lets charge about!
posted on 9/6/14
Pirlo schooled gerrard in 2005!!! Wtf....swear I saw gerrard score a goal, change the dynamic of the whole game and get a penalty...then play rb to stop milans winger!!!
Pirlo.....3-0 up and went to pieces didnt he??? It can be argued thatbyhat game shows gerrards qualities more than any other; interestingly vs pirlo....didnt gerrard win the dual??
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posted on 9/6/14
I am absolutely amazed at this drivel.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Got_Better (U6241)posted 3 minutes agoIf pirlo performs as ypu lot expect this "god" to perform and gerrard is outclassed, then fair enough. I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
======
IF Gerrard plays well????
You have just said how he is better than a player who is hyped by the media and football pundits....people who played at the highest level.
IF, IF, IF!!
posted on 9/6/14
Anyone saying to play a high tempo in Brazil is just stupid.
posted on 9/6/14
I'm not. GB's delusions know no bounds. It's entertaining, nonetheless.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by RenegadeOF (U9457)posted 10 seconds agoAnyone saying to play a high tempo in Brazil is just stupid.
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I fully agree
posted on 9/6/14
I do not know if he genuinely believes the rubbish he spouts or if he is attention seeking.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Marcelino- Endavant Villarreal! (U6171)posted 1 minute agoI do not know if he genuinely believes the rubbish he spouts or if he is attention seeking.
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Bit of both I think <ok!>
posted on 9/6/14
Hard to judge this one, I dont know a great deal about Italy. Man for man, whos stronger, whos got the best first 11 and how many italians would get into England's team; how many of England team get into italys?
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GB claims to know nothing about Italy. Bit then tepps everyone how much better a certain player is compared to Pirlo
posted on 9/6/14
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308)
posted 10 minutes ago
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place(U1721)posted 1 minute agocomment by Arouna Jagielka oooh I wanna take ya, Heitinga... (U1308) posted 4 minutes agocomment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 4 seconds agoWhy are people talking about club form anyway? This is a world cup. And Gerrard hasn't come anywhere close to Pirlo at international level.======Bingo!Games will be played with the emphesis on possesion,games at slow tempos for large periods.----------------------------------------------------------------------And that's the problem, don't let them play like that! Use your strengths.
=====
Chasing the ball for.90 minutes??
Rushing about?
Who not keep posession......didnt rodgers use one of these buzz phrases. That if you have more posession that you have a higher win rate.
Hey, lets charge about!
----------------------------------------------------------------------
You can keep possession but play on the counter at pace. There's no point letting Italy have the ball and not putting pressure on them. Other teams can match Italy that way, England can not. And one thing is for sure, there's no way in hell Italy can match England if they play to their strengths. It's exactly how Liverpool won the Champions League in 2005. Rushed teams from the front, didn't let them settle and countered them when they did get forward. We almost lost it due to this tactic in the final as Milan broke forward a couple of times and put balls in behind our defence when we had rushed them and had to change it up for the second half but it can work and I think it would work best against the Italians.
posted on 9/6/14
Gerrard in Istanbul is the most overrated performance EVER by far. I've seen that game about half a dozen times cos I loved the comeback and I cheered Liverpool that night but I never quite got the fuss about the Gerrard hype. He was absolutely schooled in midfield but because he scored a good header, dived for a penalty and attempted or hoofed a few hollywood balls from RB that didn't come off, it's almost put on par with Maradonna in '86.
posted on 9/6/14
I thought Rodgers invented that method of playing?
Do that, lose cheap posession and have to hunt the ball down in the heat/humidity?
But England are.not Liverpool....Italy are not Milan. This is international football. One game nearly 10 years ago is not a guide of how to win FFS!
We
posted on 9/6/14
You can keep possession but play on the counter at pace. There's no point letting Italy have the ball and not putting pressure on them. Other teams can match Italy that way, England can not. And one thing is for sure, there's no way in hell Italy can match England if they play to their strengths. It's exactly how Liverpool won the Champions League in 2005. Rushed teams from the front, didn't let them settle and countered them when they did get forward. We almost lost it due to this tactic in the final as Milan broke forward a couple of times and put balls in behind our defence when we had rushed them and had to change it up for the second half but it can work and I think it would work best against the Italians.
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Liverpool won the game cos Milan got sloppy and complacent for a few costly minutes and Liverpool profited from a good deal of fortune. Milan had the chances to put it to bed and they were far the better team that night. Hardly a blueprint of how England should approach the Italy match.
posted on 9/6/14
Sheriff
TOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.
posted on 9/6/14
Gerrard was outstanding that night Sheriff. Not just the quality of his box to box performance, his tackling, bursts forward and driving the team forward, despite being three-nil down but his leadership and determination also. He was largely bypassed in the first half but when Hamann came on, Gerrard was then outstanding. If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.
I'm astounded, even now, despite witnessing it for years, the lengths rival fans will go to, to discredit Gerrard.
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