why is anyone talking about 2005-06?
Sterling wasn't even born yet, Wilshere couldn't even spell cocaine yet, and the Italians were actually good back then.
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comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 7 seconds agoSheriff TOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.
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If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.
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Agreed, unless there was another player in the Liverpool team that would dive for a pen.
Pirlo is literally in a class of his own, his passing and vision is probably the best ever.
Man for man Italy are stronger. But they have been in rubbish form, I think if England are tight at the back they stand a chance. As Wilshire has said someone has to go man for man on Pirlo, Jones???
Wilshere couldn't even spell cocaine yet
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comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 52 seconds agoGerrard was outstanding that night Sheriff. Not just the quality of his box to box performance, his tackling, bursts forward and driving the team forward, despite being three-nil down but his leadership and determination also. He was largely bypassed in the first half but when Hamann came on, Gerrard was then outstanding. If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.I'm astounded, even now, despite witnessing it for years, the lengths rival fans will go to, to discredit Gerrard.
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As KT raised it again. What the hell does a CL game have to do with a world cup group game. England will do well to get a point.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Sheriff
TOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.
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No. I'm saying that Italy can't handle pace and directness. They like to play a slow game and if you play them at their own game, you'll lose, just like last time. Hodgson will do that and you will lose but you don't need that for proof, it's obvious if you look at the strengths and weaknesses of both teams.
If the game is the same as last time it'll be a draw, like that game was.
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 15 seconds agocomment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026) posted 40 seconds agoSheriffTOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.----------------------------------------------------------------------No. I'm saying that Italy can't handle pace and directness. They like to play a slow game and if you play them at their own game, you'll lose, just like last time. Hodgson will do that and you will lose but you don't need that for proof, it's obvious if you look at the strengths and weaknesses of both teams.
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It was a.draw after 90 mins.....120 mins....
We lost on penalties, a draw at FT will be a good result. See if you can get an Istanbul reference in again TOOR
Toor...its an english disease. If pirlo was english he would be called overated, if gerrard was italian he would be awesome...we england had him!.
Heres a classic example. Oscar is a very good player, young good touch and very fluid.....however sterling has performed better yet oscar is brazillian so hes defo better.....its how it works.
I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
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If Gerrard plays better than Pirlo people will admit it, but playing better in one match doesn't negate 10+ years of superior Pirlo performances on the international stage.
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 15 seconds agoIf the game is the same as last time it'll be a draw, like that game was.
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Dont think it has twigged with him yet
"No Spurs players in the squad, I guess that means you'll not be watching, considering you're one of those fools who'd rather England fail, so you can laugh at the players who play for rival clubs."
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Do they have these idiots in Italy also, Forza?
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What are you talking about man?????
I couldn't give a rats that there is no Spurs player in the English team.
You come out and use the club thing against me saying ill be hoping England loose???
where did I say anything like that?
Club V Country crap ? where did I say anything like that?
And then try bring Forza in for a bit of backup?
You are talking out your A*S.
You my friend are a Muppet.
comment by Got_Better (U6241)posted 54 seconds agoToor...its an english disease. If pirlo was english he would be called overated, if gerrard was italian he would be awesome...we england had him!.Heres a classic example. Oscar is a very good player, young good touch and very fluid.....however sterling has performed better yet oscar is brazillian so hes defo better.....its how it works.
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Would you also say the same about Paul Scholes?
Arouna
GB, that's ballacks. Oscar is the most overrated player in the prem. I'd much rather have Sterling.
Oscar will most probably have a much better world cup than Sterling, however.
comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 2 minutes ago
I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
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If Gerrard plays better than Pirlo people will admit it, but playing better in one match doesn't negate 10+ years of superior Pirlo performances on the international stage.
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Gerrard was outstanding that night Sheriff. Not just the quality of his box to box performance, his tackling, bursts forward and driving the team forward, despite being three-nil down but his leadership and determination also. He was largely bypassed in the first half but when Hamann came on, Gerrard was then outstanding. If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.
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I didn't say he didn't have a very good game. I said it's an overrated performance. It wasn't nearly as outstanding as made out. The media were jut looking for a hero and chose Liverpool's figure head to be the guy on a pedestal who would grab the headlines. Hamann as just as good and got overlooked. Carragher had an immense game too.
I just really hope we don't park the bus and let Italy have the ball for 90 mins like last time out even if it means another 0-0 draw
its just demoralising and equally exhausting for the players as it is to watch
thereonlyonereds
that was for you
It won't be like that game though because we don't have Andy Carroll to hoof it to.
Sitting back and playing on the counter will be how we play against Italy.
We won't let Italy have the ball for 90 mins because that suggests we have a choice in the matter. They'll have the ball for 90 minutes because their style of play and their superior midfield will make sure of it.
Yet lets forget gerrards 10yrs!
Well Gerrard has had a pretty forgettable ten years in an England shirt.
I dont think you judge any player in the white of england; when players like scholes..lampard..gerrard..beckam..look ordinary then something is wrong, and its not the quality of those players.
we've been committing a lot of players forward in recent matches
the pessimist in me thinks that was just to experiment and we'll revert to bus parking
He was talking about Pirlo being superior to Gerrard at international level. You're the one that keeps banging on about club level, which has no relevance to Pirlo and Gerrard on the international stage at this upcoming tournament.
TKT, yeah me too. That's because we've been playing teams that we are actually better than. Italy at the world cup is a different matter.
And we'll naturally fear them and sit back.
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posted on 9/6/14
why is anyone talking about 2005-06?
Sterling wasn't even born yet, Wilshere couldn't even spell cocaine yet, and the Italians were actually good back then.
ancient history
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 7 seconds agoSheriff TOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.
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posted on 9/6/14
If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.
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Agreed, unless there was another player in the Liverpool team that would dive for a pen.
posted on 9/6/14
Pirlo is literally in a class of his own, his passing and vision is probably the best ever.
Man for man Italy are stronger. But they have been in rubbish form, I think if England are tight at the back they stand a chance. As Wilshire has said someone has to go man for man on Pirlo, Jones???
posted on 9/6/14
Wilshere couldn't even spell cocaine yet
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posted on 9/6/14
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 52 seconds agoGerrard was outstanding that night Sheriff. Not just the quality of his box to box performance, his tackling, bursts forward and driving the team forward, despite being three-nil down but his leadership and determination also. He was largely bypassed in the first half but when Hamann came on, Gerrard was then outstanding. If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.I'm astounded, even now, despite witnessing it for years, the lengths rival fans will go to, to discredit Gerrard.
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As KT raised it again. What the hell does a CL game have to do with a world cup group game. England will do well to get a point.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)
posted 40 seconds ago
Sheriff
TOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.
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No. I'm saying that Italy can't handle pace and directness. They like to play a slow game and if you play them at their own game, you'll lose, just like last time. Hodgson will do that and you will lose but you don't need that for proof, it's obvious if you look at the strengths and weaknesses of both teams.
posted on 9/6/14
If the game is the same as last time it'll be a draw, like that game was.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by There'sOnlyOneReds(Spurs 0-5 LFC Know your place (U1721)posted 15 seconds agocomment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026) posted 40 seconds agoSheriffTOOR, so basically you're saying if we play like Liverpool did we'll get a draw.----------------------------------------------------------------------No. I'm saying that Italy can't handle pace and directness. They like to play a slow game and if you play them at their own game, you'll lose, just like last time. Hodgson will do that and you will lose but you don't need that for proof, it's obvious if you look at the strengths and weaknesses of both teams.
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It was a.draw after 90 mins.....120 mins....
We lost on penalties, a draw at FT will be a good result. See if you can get an Istanbul reference in again TOOR
posted on 9/6/14
Toor...its an english disease. If pirlo was english he would be called overated, if gerrard was italian he would be awesome...we england had him!.
Heres a classic example. Oscar is a very good player, young good touch and very fluid.....however sterling has performed better yet oscar is brazillian so hes defo better.....its how it works.
posted on 9/6/14
I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
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If Gerrard plays better than Pirlo people will admit it, but playing better in one match doesn't negate 10+ years of superior Pirlo performances on the international stage.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Darren The King Fletcher (U10026)posted 15 seconds agoIf the game is the same as last time it'll be a draw, like that game was.
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Dont think it has twigged with him yet
posted on 9/6/14
"No Spurs players in the squad, I guess that means you'll not be watching, considering you're one of those fools who'd rather England fail, so you can laugh at the players who play for rival clubs."
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Do they have these idiots in Italy also, Forza?
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What are you talking about man?????
I couldn't give a rats that there is no Spurs player in the English team.
You come out and use the club thing against me saying ill be hoping England loose???
where did I say anything like that?
Club V Country crap ? where did I say anything like that?
And then try bring Forza in for a bit of backup?
You are talking out your A*S.
You my friend are a Muppet.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Got_Better (U6241)posted 54 seconds agoToor...its an english disease. If pirlo was english he would be called overated, if gerrard was italian he would be awesome...we england had him!.Heres a classic example. Oscar is a very good player, young good touch and very fluid.....however sterling has performed better yet oscar is brazillian so hes defo better.....its how it works.
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Would you also say the same about Paul Scholes?
posted on 9/6/14
Arouna
GB, that's ballacks. Oscar is the most overrated player in the prem. I'd much rather have Sterling.
Oscar will most probably have a much better world cup than Sterling, however.
posted on 9/6/14
comment by Randomer (U5245)
posted 2 minutes ago
I suspect though that If gerrard plays welll it wont really ve mentioned and it was just "an off day for pirlo the demigod".
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If Gerrard plays better than Pirlo people will admit it, but playing better in one match doesn't negate 10+ years of superior Pirlo performances on the international stage.
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posted on 9/6/14
Gerrard was outstanding that night Sheriff. Not just the quality of his box to box performance, his tackling, bursts forward and driving the team forward, despite being three-nil down but his leadership and determination also. He was largely bypassed in the first half but when Hamann came on, Gerrard was then outstanding. If Gerrard wasn't on the pitch that night, Pirlo would have had his hands on the trophy, not Gerrard.
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I didn't say he didn't have a very good game. I said it's an overrated performance. It wasn't nearly as outstanding as made out. The media were jut looking for a hero and chose Liverpool's figure head to be the guy on a pedestal who would grab the headlines. Hamann as just as good and got overlooked. Carragher had an immense game too.
posted on 9/6/14
I just really hope we don't park the bus and let Italy have the ball for 90 mins like last time out even if it means another 0-0 draw
its just demoralising and equally exhausting for the players as it is to watch
posted on 9/6/14
thereonlyonereds
that was for you
posted on 9/6/14
It won't be like that game though because we don't have Andy Carroll to hoof it to.
Sitting back and playing on the counter will be how we play against Italy.
We won't let Italy have the ball for 90 mins because that suggests we have a choice in the matter. They'll have the ball for 90 minutes because their style of play and their superior midfield will make sure of it.
posted on 9/6/14
Yet lets forget gerrards 10yrs!
posted on 9/6/14
Well Gerrard has had a pretty forgettable ten years in an England shirt.
posted on 9/6/14
I dont think you judge any player in the white of england; when players like scholes..lampard..gerrard..beckam..look ordinary then something is wrong, and its not the quality of those players.
posted on 9/6/14
we've been committing a lot of players forward in recent matches
the pessimist in me thinks that was just to experiment and we'll revert to bus parking
posted on 9/6/14
He was talking about Pirlo being superior to Gerrard at international level. You're the one that keeps banging on about club level, which has no relevance to Pirlo and Gerrard on the international stage at this upcoming tournament.
TKT, yeah me too. That's because we've been playing teams that we are actually better than. Italy at the world cup is a different matter.
And we'll naturally fear them and sit back.
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